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Welcome to ECF. So glad you are here and have gone back to vaping. You will get many suggestions here. There are many good vendors but to me, DIY makes me feel good about what I am vaping. Not only is it easy to do but very economical. There are some wonderful threads here to teach and help you if you decide it is something you are interested in.
Enjoy and make yourself at home.
Enjoy and make yourself at home.
In terms of ejuice, the "least amount of chemicals" will be unflavored juice in 100% VG, that way you remove the PG altogether and therefore only have 2 ingredients: the nicotine and the VG, and maybe some distilled water to thin it out a bit. Of course, then there's always 100% PG juice (which some people with respiratory issues do vape).
That said, if you truly believe that an ejuice (aka an inhalant that is made of ingredients that were never meant to be inhaled, only ingested) that is advertised as "organic" is healthier than one that is not advertised as organic, to any magnitude that is quantifiable even over a 10-year period, then you can look into Kai's Virgin Vapor - Premium Natural & Organic Vape Juice
Welcome to the forum, Shan70.
Velvet Vapors has a section tab for organic eliquids, with this description:
These flavorings are all USDA-CERTIFIED ORGANIC. That means they are derived from organic-certified farmers who do not use harmful pesticides! Then, the farm-produced items are shipped to to organic-certified labs to be made into concentrated flavors. These we offer are derived from fruits and vegetables that meet the USDA criteria for being organically-grown. Better for your health, and better for the environment.
Velvet Vapors has a section tab for organic eliquids, with this description:
These flavorings are all USDA-CERTIFIED ORGANIC. That means they are derived from organic-certified farmers who do not use harmful pesticides! Then, the farm-produced items are shipped to to organic-certified labs to be made into concentrated flavors. These we offer are derived from fruits and vegetables that meet the USDA criteria for being organically-grown. Better for your health, and better for the environment.
"Organic farming" does not mean that what is grown is grown without pesticides. It means it's grown with pesticides that are approved for organic growing by the govt or some 3rd party, non-govt organization, like OMRI. If anyone thinks that vaping any of these "organic" pesticides is any safer than vaping inorganic counterparts, I have a few bridges to sell ya, cheap. They may be safe to ingest after X days post-application, but inhaling, and inhaling after vaporizing, are another matter entirely.
There is plenty of reason to be pessimistic about packaged products labeled as "organic". Like anything else "deep" these days, the NOSB is infiltrated by big ag and big packaged food makers, all who want such things as genetically modified organisms (fortunately without success so far), and synthetic additives to be acceptable for organic food labeling.
But organic growing has remained pretty strictly defined because the growers fight to keep it that way. Organic farming does not use glyphosate and petroleum derived pesticides and fertilizers. There are "biologic" pest deterrents that are not sprayed on a schedule, and are only applied if needed. These are not of the variety that sterilize the soil, poison the air, cause cancer and sterility in farm workers, or runoff in the water to result in dead zones fanning out for miles where rivers empty into the oceans. The best of organic farming is about respecting the soil and microclimate of the growing region when deciding what to plant, about building the soil to hold in moisture and conserve water, about companion planting to attract beneficial insects and deter destructive insects, about crop rotation to keep the soil rich, about recycling farm plant and animal wastes as compost. Bacillus Thuringiensis is a popular biologic pest deterrent, safe for earthworms and bees. Neem oil is another, though I'm not as familiar with it.
I will recognize that large scale organic growers such as Cascadian Farms may use cheats and shortcuts, though I have no proof of it. Their website announces the home farm is not accepting visitors in summer 2022. I wonder if it's because they're destroying crops at the behest of our traitorous government. The site doesn't say much about their farming methods.
Before the organic produce is processed into flavor extracts for use in candy, baking, fragrances and vape liquids, one hopes the produce is washed, since aged manure is sometimes used as a natural fertilizer in integrated operations.
Welcome Shan70
You Go, Bliss Doubt. Sounds like something you are passionate about. I don't use any pesticides or fertilizer, organic or not, in my vegetable garden, but I wonder if scraps from store-bought fruit and vegetables that may not be organic will taint my compost.
You Go, Bliss Doubt. Sounds like something you are passionate about. I don't use any pesticides or fertilizer, organic or not, in my vegetable garden, but I wonder if scraps from store-bought fruit and vegetables that may not be organic will taint my compost.
I saw an explanation from a chemist once. Apple flavor can be extracted from apples. The folks selling natural extracted flavors do use organic products. Somehow they remove chemicals that aren't involved in the flavor. Artificial apple flavor is created by figuring out which chemicals create the flavor and mixing them up. That might involve 10 chemicals, or 20 or 50. I heard strawberry is particularly hard, a very large number of chemicals are involved in the taste of strawberry.
However there are probably thousands of chemicals in an apple. There is no way the chemists could completely remove all the chemicals that aren't involved in producing the flavor. I guess they work harder to remove any that are known to be harmful, like sugars and oils, or reduce them to very low levels. Artificial apple flavor starts with a relatively small number of pure chemicals, all of which are presumably present in apples.
So the difference between naturally extracted apple flavor and artificially built apple flavor is that while both contain the same taste related chemicals, the natural extract also contains small amounts of hundreds of other chemicals.
I have no idea how the natural crowd make something like baked blueberry pie with ice cream. Do they liquidize a pie and a scoop of ice cream, then run their extracts?
I used natural extracts when I first started vaping, it seemed like a good idea. Now I don't, partly because of the chemist's explanation that I read, but mainly because I mix my own and as far as I know you can't buy flavors for mixing that are naturally extracted. No idea whether there is any difference in safety between the two types. I had some really nice natural juices back in the day and I miss them.
However there are probably thousands of chemicals in an apple. There is no way the chemists could completely remove all the chemicals that aren't involved in producing the flavor. I guess they work harder to remove any that are known to be harmful, like sugars and oils, or reduce them to very low levels. Artificial apple flavor starts with a relatively small number of pure chemicals, all of which are presumably present in apples.
So the difference between naturally extracted apple flavor and artificially built apple flavor is that while both contain the same taste related chemicals, the natural extract also contains small amounts of hundreds of other chemicals.
I have no idea how the natural crowd make something like baked blueberry pie with ice cream. Do they liquidize a pie and a scoop of ice cream, then run their extracts?
I used natural extracts when I first started vaping, it seemed like a good idea. Now I don't, partly because of the chemist's explanation that I read, but mainly because I mix my own and as far as I know you can't buy flavors for mixing that are naturally extracted. No idea whether there is any difference in safety between the two types. I had some really nice natural juices back in the day and I miss them.
A valid concern, and I can't answer it.
My love of gardening comes from the year when I moved home from Dallas and lived with my elderly auntie, while looking for a new job and apartment. She was sick, and wanted me to stay, so I did, for a while. Auntie was cranky and demanding, and drove me nuts, drove me outdoors to her huge yard, where soon I had 45 things growing, with no interventions other than yard waste and small rocks as mulch, companion planting for pest deterrents, and a couple of bags of chicken poop from the plant nursery. I used an old Rodale book on organic gardening for direction and ideas. Then a cattle ranching friend brought me a bucket of cow manure. I didn't even age it before mixing it with water and adding it sparingly to the vegetables and the Meyer lemon tree.
Sometimes just the plants people call weeds are best left in place as natural mulch. We had soft little plants of a variety of euphorbia all over the place, and a kind of oxalis (I think). I left them there, in between the veg and herb plants, to shelter the soil and keep it moist.
I was afraid to start a compost heap because I didn't want to attract mice and roaches. As for pesticides in your scraps from non-organic produce, if you wash it before peeling, cutting, slicing, it should be fair enough. You'll know it's cleaned up, and you're not a commercial farmer trying to be certified as an organic grower.
Wasps eat aphids, and are pollenating while gathering their aphid feast. Go indoors and get your glass of iced tea while the wasps are buzzing around the plants. Honestly I think they know what you're up to, and won't hurt you if you're respectful of them.
Sigh. I always write too much.
I had to edit my previous post to change the word p.e.b.b.l.e.s. to "small rocks" because a bot mod overwrote the word with "COPYRIGHTMCA".
WTF? A cartoon character can copyright a word in any dictionary that describes a naturally occurring thing?
WTF? A cartoon character can copyright a word in any dictionary that describes a naturally occurring thing?
Rodale Press. I used to have a subscription to Mother Earth News. IMO It got a little too mainstream, and didn't serve the purpose of providing alternate viewpoints any more. Our cats take care of the mice, but I've caught them pooping in the garden. LOL
Plural of Pebble
Honeycomb
Captain Crunch
Fred Flintstone
Plural of Pebble
Honeycomb
Captain Crunch
Fred Flintstone
You are both right. However, ingesting and inhaling are two different things. Suppose you stick with fruits only. You still need to add sweetener. The extracts that combine with other ingredients pollute the purpose of organic vaping.
The only true organic (and then, its not necessarily so) is plain vg/pg nic. The extracts are still produced in same facilities as non organic extracts. Organic is meant to make a tasty meal, not inhale.
I have lightened up a bit on the non gmo thing (though I eat many foods that are non gmo). GMO means more people can eat, including poorer countries. And organic is not necessarily pure, since insects cross contaminate while ingesting and pollen collecting.
You are much more likely to get carcinogenic substances from stinkies than vaping non organic flavoring.
Just my 2 cents.
Exactly.
Doctor Farsalinos brought this up early on in his research, and if you think about it for half a minute; Vaping organic compounds is much more likely to produce hydrocarbons and all sorts of other things you really do not want to be vaping.
Doctor Farsalinos brought this up early on in his research, and if you think about it for half a minute; Vaping organic compounds is much more likely to produce hydrocarbons and all sorts of other things you really do not want to be vaping.
Welcome again, Shan 70
Shan70, it sounds like what got what you asked for, maybe more.
He He, Englishmick, I think you have revealed yourself. I Don't want to get political, especially in the New Member's Thread but I like to hear all sides of things. In the US, it's a wonder why the FDA isn't exploiting this issue. It makes me compare them to the Russian Army - causing historic damage but not winning the war.
Shan70, it sounds like what got what you asked for, maybe more.
Do you think that they were cheating to be certified organic? I imagine that the govt investigators can and do take lab samples occasionally, but I'll bet that most of the compliance is demonstrated by the practices of the Farm, with inspections that may or may not be announced, depending on their compliance history.
The NOSB is a quasi-govermnental organization staffed by volunteers. They vote on issues and make recommendations to government agencies, including the FDA.
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