New Calculator to try

[VBdev]

DIY supplies rolling in, will be getting started before too long. Got a scale and planning on using this calculator to mix by weight. Vapers tek nic, vg, and pg. Variety of flavors.

Quick question, so I made an EM mixture and Im putting it in the program as a flavor ingredient. I used .5grams of EM crystals and 9.5 grams of pg. Do I put the pg percentage in as 95% or 100%. That always confuses me with the vg pg ratio.

 

[penguiness]

DIY supplies rolling in, will be getting started before too long. Got a scale and planning on using this calculator to mix by weight. Vapers tek nic, vg, and pg. Variety of flavors.

Quick question, so I made an EM mixture and Im putting it in the program as a flavor ingredient. I used .5grams of EM crystals and 9.5 grams of pg. Do I put the pg percentage in as 95% or 100%. That always confuses me with the vg pg ratio.

100% PG in this situation.

 

[ShelaghDB]

They have removed 2 that I had, and several friends are seeing others being removed also.

Im really not impressed with Apple on this. What is their argument about this, any idea?

I just looked at the Vape store and I see ONE app under Vape and nothing under cigarettes and the one app for vaping is to calucluate how long its been since u quit
I have no doubt you could find Vape apps through jailbreaking but that would likely be difficult for app developers in other areas.
Thats why I have iMacs, macbook pros, ipads, apple TVs but I wont buy the iPhone again and went android..

There was a time, for example that you coudl not even get a block call app on your phone. You had no choice but to jailbreak if you wanted to stop all sales pitces from outside your country. Here in Canada today its the very annoying Marriot Hotel chain that I have to block but at that time you had to jailbreak.
They have since come up with one equivalent to android versions but to really have them work properly you have to jailbreak or root your phones.
Otherwise, all they will do is simply put a call through to your answering service which just encourages them to keep calling, and you are still notified of their call.

I used to jailbreak my iPhones and used a great little app called iBlacklist i think it was called and you could choose one of a few options, my favourite being either that whenever they called me phone would just appear busy each time OR it would instantly hang up on them
Why a phone must be rooted or jailbroken to get these apps to take it that far i dont know, but suffice to say, thats one of the reasons I didnt like iPhones.
Too controlled by Apple.
So now you tell me they wont allow vaping gear?

Arrrgh.

I LOVE my macs but I am not a fangrrrl

Anyway, I guess that puts to bed the idea of an OS X app although not one for Android
I suspect there are likely more 'droid users than OS X as vapers anyhow....

Guess thats the last comment on the OSX app then

 

[VBdev]

100% PG in this situation.

Thanks penguiness. I realize the 5% difference within an ingrediant typically used at .5% of the overall mix isn't going to make or break the juice, nor produce a perceivable difference. It's more of an understanding the concept question which applies to mixing in general.

Another concept question. So are recipes in general, when listed as percentages, considered to be "by volume" as opposed to "by weight". I did my EM mixture 5% by weight BTW. So If I put in a recipe thats 10% flavor A, and 10% Flavor B does the calculator than apply the density values to the by volume percentages to produce the weights?

What are people using for the density value's for the flavorings?

Droid > i[insert noun here]
Tux > apple > winblows
but of course that's not a conversation we need to get into here

 

[HotRod19579]

Thanks penguiness. I realize the 5% difference within an ingrediant typically used at .5% of the overall mix isn't going to make or break the juice, nor produce a perceivable difference. It's more of an understanding the concept question which applies to mixing in general.

Another concept question. So are recipes in general, when listed as percentages, considered to be "by volume" as opposed to "by weight". I did my EM mixture 5% by weight BTW. So If I put in a recipe thats 10% flavor A, and 10% Flavor B does the calculator than apply the density values to the by volume percentages to produce the weights?

What are people using for the density value's for the flavorings?

Droid > i[insert noun here]
Tux > apple > winblows
but of course that's not a conversation we need to get into here

Recipe percentages are normally expressed in terms of volume. Calculators calculate the recipe and then transform the volume needed into the amount of weight of the ingredient to add.

Density values for ingredients:

PG = 1.036 grams / ml​

VG = 1.249 grams /​

Water = 1.0 grams / ml​

Other ingredients, as a rule of thumb an ingredient that is 100% PG would be 1.036 grams / ml.​

In the ingredients window of the calculator there is a button labeled “Calculate weight based on PG/VG %”. It will set the weight of your ingredient based on the amount of PG and VG in the ingredient. Anything that is not PG or VG will be approximated at 1.0 grams / ml.

As far as PG/VG percentages go... Let me give you my long story:

When I first released the calculator I was calculating PG/VG by actual amounts. Let me provide an exaggerated example:

10% ingredient #1 which is 100% PG.​

10% ingredient #2 which is 100% PG​

50% water​

The remaining ingredients are 100% PG.​

The calculator would tell you that your mix was 50% PG, 0% VG.​

I received numerous PM’s telling me the calculator was broke. PG + VG did not equal 100%.

I added a 2nd method to calculate the resulting mix to replicate what other calculators were doing. I ignore all non PG/VG based volume and calculate the resulting mix by only considering the total volume of the PG and VG ingredients. Using the example above your mix is 100% PG and 0% VG.

I always want to know my actual PG/VG percentages which means that PG + VG does not always equal 100. You can choose how to calculate your resulting recipe by going to “Tools->Options”, the “General” tab and select “Volume Calculation”. If you want the calculator to tell you that PG + VG is 100%, uncheck the “Volume Calculation”.​

 

[VBdev]

^^^^ Thanks for the awesome reply HotRod. Exactly what I was looking for and your example really illustrates my question. Yeah with eJuice the community sort of has the modes of thought where we want to know the PG/VG ratio and express in terms of 100% (60/40 50/50) but really we know there's nic, flavorings, etc in there. Like we assume "of the vg and pg in there" just like we apparently assume "by volume".

Was planning to start with each of the flavorings I have solo not in a multi-flavoring juice to get a feel for them. Start with small mixes maybe 3-5 ml without nic. If I like then add nic. Try after mix, try after 24 hour. Prepared to toss juice without tear shed There were a couple recipes I picked out and have the right combo of ingredients for I may put together as well. Thoughts? I know this has been asked and answered a thousand times... but I've only read half of them so...

 

[penguiness]

^^^^ Thanks for the awesome reply HotRod. Exactly what I was looking for and your example really illustrates my question. Yeah with eJuice the community sort of has the modes of thought where we want to know the PG/VG ratio and express in terms of 100% (60/40 50/50) but really we know there's nic, flavorings, etc in there. Like we assume "of the vg and pg in there" just like we apparently assume "by volume".

Was planning to start with each of the flavorings I have solo not in a multi-flavoring juice to get a feel for them. Start with small mixes maybe 3-5 ml without nic. If I like then add nic. Try after mix, try after 24 hour. Prepared to toss juice without tear shed There were a couple recipes I picked out and have the right combo of ingredients for I may put together as well. Thoughts? I know this has been asked and answered a thousand times... but I've only read half of them so...

I highly recommend you sample each flavoring standalone with nic. You cannot get a true estimate of a flavorings profile without the nic (it is likely to taste different with nic than without). Standalone also gives you the opportunity to gauge how much flavoring is perfect for you. You will still need to adjust slightly in a recipe with multiple ingredients, but if you know 8% of that vanilla is too much for you, than a recipe calling for 11% will be too much.

By the way, you can adjust overall percentages of flavoring in HotRod's calculator and keep all the ingredient ratios balanced. Tools > Simple Calculators > Adjust flavoring. This has come in handy for me when mixing for family who need different flavoring strengths.

 

[VBdev]

Roger, will do

 

[nmsmith89]

Thanks penguiness. I realize the 5% difference within an ingrediant typically used at .5% of the overall mix isn't going to make or break the juice, nor produce a perceivable difference. It's more of an understanding the concept question which applies to mixing in general.

Another concept question. So are recipes in general, when listed as percentages, considered to be "by volume" as opposed to "by weight". I did my EM mixture 5% by weight BTW. So If I put in a recipe thats 10% flavor A, and 10% Flavor B does the calculator than apply the density values to the by volume percentages to produce the weights?

What are people using for the density value's for the flavorings?

Droid > i[insert noun here]
Tux > apple > winblows
but of course that's not a conversation we need to get into here

I saw that you were asking about flavor density. Call me a perfectionist but I like having the exact densities for the flavorings entered in to give a more exact mix. So I've kept my eye out for the densities and have finally found a bunch. Other people may find this useful too.


TFA Flavor Densities
Capella Flavor Densities
FlavourArt Flavor Densities

Hope this helps someone!

PS I found a couple of the TFA flavors were missing or incorrect. If you go to the TFA website you can find a list of all of the MSDS links and get the correct specific gravities from there.

 

[VBdev]

^^^ Updated my db with the applicable densities. Have a handful of German flavors here and a few others there were not densities for but that a lot of good data there. Appreciate the info.

 

[VBdev]

anybody got a density for 100mg base in pg?

 

[squee]

anybody got a density for 100mg base in pg?

1.035 grams per ml

 

[VBdev]

kewl thanks, found this too

Dilute nicotine.... Density figured of 100 mg 100% PG = 1.0333. Now, 100 mg 100 % VG = 1.2358.

Why fret! When all play fiddles?

Hope I didn't open any old wounds with the question. just saw the discussion ages ago.

 

[nmsmith89]

So let's say you buy a 8ml bottle of a flavor and then a month later you buy a 30ml bottle. How do you do the prices? Because if you change the price to 30 @ 5.49 but still have some of the other bottle left then it gets messed up. Or what if you get the same flavor from 2 different places for 2 different prices? Just find a way to average them?


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[VBdev]

HotRod, thanks for the excellent tool. First 7 DIY bottles finally got mixed tonight. Been staying pretty busy but dealt with the nic last night and got to mixing today and tonight when I had a little time. First flavor...nasty LOL very harsh and strong. We'll give it some time and see what happens; may need nic, vg, and pg dumped on top to dial back the flavor percentage. 2nd one, while a little harsh as well, I really like the flavor. Billberry from FlavorArt @ 2%, I think we are going to be long time buds Still much experience to gain, but its been a fun endeavour. I did all 5ml, 15mg, 60/40 VG/PG, at flavor percentages I found on the world wide web (so they've got to be right).

Thanks HotRod

 

[Soignee]

So let's say you buy a 8ml bottle of a flavor and then a month later you buy a 30ml bottle. How do you do the prices? Because if you change the price to 30 @ 5.49 but still have some of the other bottle left then it gets messed up. Or what if you get the same flavor from 2 different places for 2 different prices? Just find a way to average them?


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You have to manually price average. If you are handy with excel, you can create a spread sheet that will calculate it for you...

 

[penguiness]

Or you can add the ml's together and the prices together and put each in their slot on the cost without adding to inventory. The software will average it for you. I do this, then manually change the inventory to the total ml's on hand. Takes just a few seconds.

 

[nodor]

Just downloaded this calculator the other day. Gotta say it is very well designed. I love the printing label feature. I've read back on this thread about 5 pages and agree on a few improvements that would take this program over the top.
1) With my wife me and our son using it and sharing the same ingredients it makes having separate databases impractical and recipes become cumbersome to find. A folder structure in the drop down would fix this issue.
2) If it is possible to have the recipes in the drop down box font set to green if all ingredients are available and red if anything is out of stock would really be super.
3) A new box adjacent to flavor remove box that shows the current stock level for that flavor.

Till now I've been using ejuicemeup and been very happy with it. However after using this program I imported all my recipes and deleted it. With the changes mentioned above I'll donate $20.00 no problem. Keep up the good work. Look forward to future revisions.

 

[HotRod19579]

Just downloaded this calculator the other day. Gotta say it is very well designed. I love the printing label feature. I've read back on this thread about 5 pages and agree on a few improvements that would take this program over the top.
1) With my wife me and our son using it and sharing the same ingredients it makes having separate databases impractical and recipes become cumbersome to find. A folder structure in the drop down would fix this issue.
2) If it is possible to have the recipes in the drop down box font set to green if all ingredients are available and red if anything is out of stock would really be super.
3) A new box adjacent to flavor remove box that shows the current stock level for that flavor.

Till now I've been using ejuicemeup and been very happy with it. However after using this program I imported all my recipes and deleted it. With the changes mentioned above I'll donate $20.00 no problem. Keep up the good work. Look forward to future revisions.

These are some great ideas. The first has been on my list for a while but I haven't figured out how to implement at this point. I will begin addressing all of them and see what I can do.

 

[yooperdad]

Hotrod, I have commented numerous times that this is a great program. I can't imagine using any of the others. That said, I have a minor suggestion. I use the "copy recipe" function a fair amount and none of the copy options are real good and convenient. The "plain text" for me is the only useable option, but it doesn't copy the greatest either. I just copied a recipes and will paste it below so you can see what I mean. If this could be less busy and better formatted it would be great. A tweak at best. Thanks again.

MAX-Caramel Coconut Coffee
Nicotine Strength 12.00 mg
PG Level 45.00%
VG Level 55.00%
Amount to make 120.000 ml
Ingredient, Ing %, Drops, Weight, Volume
*Nicotine 100 VT VG, 12.00%, 504.0, 18.144 g, 14.400 ml
PG, 37.00%, 1509.6, 45.998 g, 44.400 ml
VG, 43.00%, 1548.0, 64.448 g, 51.600 ml
*FA Maxx-Blend, 4.00%, 182.4, 5.280 g, 4.800 ml
*FA Expresso, 2.00%, 86.4, 2.515 g, 2.400 ml
*FA Coconut, 2.00%, 91.2, 2.503 g, 2.400 ml
4-10-2015 Amazing flavor. I would never have guessed it could be this good.