New design and prototype for vaping one week without refilling

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DaveyRoots

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After a night's sleep, the 1-week vaporizer is still going strong :)

DaveyRoots - I am just trying to address the deficiencies in what is basically a great product. I find the carts just don't last long enough. Then there's the problem that juice delivery can be quite erratic.


i meant no offence. youve really got my wheels turning on this one kinabaloo
 

ChainSmkr

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Hi kinabaloo,
I googled liquid delivery system and found this site:
Liquid Injection System - HORIBA[cmd]=createtx_horibafeuserregister_pi1[cmd]=createtx_horibafeuserregister_pi1[cmd]=create

It has some cool devices. I also found some patents on liquid delivery systems but didn't sign up to look at all the details. The technology definitely exists but its over my head. (I'm a software eng; hardware isn't my forte.) Maybe using this device eliminates the inhalation process, or its too big/costly to implement in an e-cig?? I know you already have this part figured out in your prototype but thought I'd share it with you since I think you're a smart cookie.

My carts are always dry and its a PITA :(
 
Update : The photos below show progress up to a few days ago.

The bottom section unscrews from the top and contains the juice. The second higher section is where the atomiser is connected. It is in there that the juice is efficiently fed to the atomiser as needed, without leaking; even upside down it still works. The small side tube is the air outlet, could be epositioned and/or made larger.

In this prototype I have tried to make things as small as they could reasonably be made, given the target capacity of 10ml juice - that is what this model holds.

As I get time, I will build a sample vaporiser that uses it. Now that I have solved the prrevious need for it to remain upright, I might build a portable model rather than a desktop/usb style. It could be used in either.

ChainSmkr - Thanks for your continued interest. I had a look at the link but that technology is for large scale manufacturing processes.
 

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ChainSmkr

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Update : The photos below show progress up to a few days ago.

I see you've been hard at work. Thanks for sharing your progress and pics with us. It looks great!

ChainSmkr - Thanks for your continued interest. I had a look at the link but that technology is for large scale manufacturing processes.

Yeah, that's me thinking big! LOL ;) I'll quit turning my wheels and give ya space to work. :oops:
 
I have tried real hard to work out a way to do this as a cart - but gravity is an issue that can only be resolved by a reservoir shape that is wider rather than longer, so it is not ideal given the shae of the standard e-cig style vaporizer. It is also a shape difficult to achieve in a prototype (could be molded ok though). So I will focus on use in newer, fatter style designs.
 

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I keep thinking of how to harness a simple, long standing system close to the heart of all us ex analog smokers.......the simple re-fillable gas lighter. The more you think about it the more atractive the idea becomes!
A cigarette lighter, in one action provides both an adjustable flow of liquid gas and (if electric) an ignition spark.All this contained in a very small unit.

So adapting this existing technology;
One depression of a switch would both release a pressurised (adjustable) aerosol of juice directly onto the heater coil,itself having been energised by the same switch,just as in a lighter.Length of vapour production required would simply be controlled by how long the switch is depressed.

Now for the problems;
The unit would have to be larger (but not much) to incorporate a suitable battery power source (allmost certainly L-ion) together with its charging /protection circuit.This would allow simple plug in charging as per a mobile phone.
Now the really tricky bit,what could one use ,that is non toxic as the pressurised propellant to propel the juice out of it's container.The resultant atomised cloud would be both adjustable in volume (just as a lighter) and allready in an optimum condition for the heater coil to vapourise.Not only would this greatly reduce power requirements (less energy to vapourise an aerosol than a liquid) but would completly solve the "leak" problem of other juice delivery methods.
So........what would act as a safe and currently available propellant??
What do aerosol food dispensors (such as whipped cream) use?

If such a propellant currently exists then replacement cartridges of say 10ml would give a weeks use
 
Rubberjonny - yes, i've written a number of times that a lighter would be an ideal solution, portable but not attched to the VP.

I don't thnk that pressure is suitable, although an onboard power might be useful. It could be as simple as a push-button dripper, probably with a modified cart to facilitate this.

I want to add that the reason I like it as an idea is that it could provide a vaping 'moment', much like smoking one analog that one lights, puffs 10 or so times and stops for a while.
 
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surbitonPete

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Pete - those work well but perhaps a perfume bottle pump+nozzle is most idea because smaller with smaller volume throughput. Darn hard to was out the taste though!

lol ..chennel flavoured e-juice.

Have you looked at one of those vicks sinex nasel spray pumps? ..one of those may have some potential.
 

surbitonPete

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Pete - not sure what you mean but i guess it's basically the same pump design. The simplest possible thing of course is a squeezy bottle and nozzle for creating a mist, but that wouldn't create a known and repeatable dose.

This is it......alongside a tw liquid bottle

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