Both literally and figuratively. I ordered my usual 4 bottles of 24mg coffee. First I got the wrong nic, no big deal other than I was out so I had to wait a couple days for the new ones to ship.So I tried one of the bottles thinking Ill just vape more. But the juice I got tasted like a ry4 mixed with SPI. The carmel had that chemical taste some fresh ry4s have and I couldnt stand it. Bloog was very good about exchanging them and even spoke with me about the flavors, but swore to the best of their knowledge that flavor had not changed I finally got the new bottles, and was excited with the new drip tip, but imedietly got a sour chemical smell. I filled a 3ml tank about 3 times so far and its just terrible compared to the old coffee, it taste nothing like coffee to me still ry4 with a bit of SPI. Im still waiting on Leaford to get back with me about it, I know hes busy Im not upset other the fact that my all day vape is GONE. I really dont want to go on a sampling spree again, but I guess I have no choice.