New Fluxomizer burning juice

[John Phoenix]

I got a pack of 2.8-3.0 ohm Fluxomizers (or as I call em Fluxies Ha ha) for use with my regulated 5v box mod. I normally use Royal Smoker 3.0 ohm or Bauway 2.9 ohm CE's. I am getting burned juice on the 5v mod. Perhaps this carto is closer to 2.8 and that's causing it? I also use a 5v passthrough and it doesn't burn as bad.. just a tiny burned taste. The passthrough is a direct to wall type with no battery. The passthrough I suspect is also not a true 5v device because the 5v box mod always seemed stronger. I have no meter to check the voltages or ohms of the atties.

I also have regular and mini Vision Extremes 3.0 ohm and love them, no burning issues.

These are my first Fluxomisers. I am thinking perhaps they just need to be broken in before the burning will settle down. I made sure no plastic is burning, I've removed all the o-rings.

I'm concerned because I also got a pack of 2.4-2.6 ohm Fluxies to give to a new vaper who I am putting together a e-cig kit for. I don't want her to have a bad experience. She will be using the 2.4-2.6 Fluxies with a Riva 3.7 v battery.

Your thoughts?

 

[Rule62]

Just my opinion, but even if your Fluxos are 3.0 ohm, vaping them at 5.volts would give you about 8.3 watts. That's pretty high for most vapers. It's probably why your juice tastes burnt. Most people seem to find a sweet spot between 6 and 7 watts. I like around 6.2-6.4 watts, personally. In order to achieve that, you would need higher resistance cartos.

 

[Adrena]

love my 2.8-3.0 ohm Fluxomizers @ 4.0or2

 

[ninfreak]

yea you cant really treat em like normal cartos at all. they work splendid at lower voltages but suck really bad at high voltages. it's basically the reverse of a fillered carto. a 2.8 fluxo is like having a 2.0 or lower carto

 

[Rule62]

I use the 2.8 Fluxos usually at 4.0-4.2 volts.

 

[John Phoenix]

Then why do the Vision Extremes at 3.0 ohms work so well.. just like regular CE2's at 3.0 ohms..

I dunno.. something about the above posts saying a 3.0 ohm Fluxomiozer don't perform like 3,0 ohm coils normally does is very strange to say the least.

If the coil had the same ohm rating, regardless if it's a Fluxomiser or 306 atty or carto, they should all perform the same under the same voltage.

I read an article a long time ago talking about the sweet spot being around 8 watts for most people. Consider this wattage chart. That's why 2.0 ohms are normally used with 3.7 volts and 3.0 ohm's are used with 5.0 volts and so on. It's all about putting you in a good 8 watt range.

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/8248/wattagebig.jpg

It's math, and the the type of coil isn't going to change these facts. A 3.0 ohm Fluxomiser should not perform at a much lower resistance than a 3.0 ohm Vision Extreme or even a Buaway 3.0 CE2. They should all be in the same close ballpark. You should not have to go down to 4.0 volts for them not to burn your juice.

Back to my problem. This coil is producing from 8.93 watts @ 2.8 ohms to 8.33 watts @ 3.0 ohms according to this chart. I vape at 3.0 ohms constantly and like the warmer vape and stronger nicotine the extra voltage gives. I'm used to it and know the experience I am supposed to get. I have never purchased 2.8 ohm coils before, so I think these must be closer to 2.8 ohms and therefore the higher 8.93 watts. If this is the case with all Fluxomisers, that they favor the low end, then I would need to get a 3.0-3.2 ohm Fluxomizer to compensate. This didn't occur to me because I never had to buy a coil rated as such before. I would have thought perhaps I would get anywhere in between 3.0 and 3.2 and if the later 3.2, it would have been a much cooler vape than I like at 7.81 watts. That's even a weaker / cooler vape than a 2.0 ohm atty on a Ego 3.7 battery.

I really don't like vaping below 5.0 volts so these Fluxomisers may be useless to me.

Can others confirm for me that these Fluxomisers always seem to favor the low end of the stated rating range?

 

[Rule62]

Here is another chart. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...el-power-worksheet-voltage-vs-resistance.html
Notice that on this chart, a 3.0 ohm carto is at the upper extreme for 5.0 volts.

 

[goat29]

just trying to post a vidio

 

[John Phoenix]

Here is another chart. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...el-power-worksheet-voltage-vs-resistance.html
Notice that on this chart, a 3.0 ohm carto is at the upper extreme for 5.0 volts.

Cool chart. Thanks. According to this chart that could be a reason why I'm getting burning. it does not explain why the 3.0 ohm Vision Extreme (or CE2's I normally use), don't. odd.

 

[VapingMattCA]

I have a box of the 3.0-3.2 and 3.5-3.6 Ohm Fluxos. They work great at 7.2. - 7.4W on my Darwin. The first few I used I didn't dry burn them before using them and for a bit they had a bit of an off taste. The next ones I used out of the box I dry burned before filling for the 1st time and that taste was not present.

I remove the cup seal and use Mindfield's mod of cutting away the inner most part of the top seal and use that over the cup. I also fluff the wicks. What % VG/PG juice are you using? You mentioned you removed all the O-rings. Even with the mods when the juice level drops vaping the CE-2 horizontally helps keep the coil supplied with juice.

 

[Rule62]

Cool chart. Thanks. According to this chart that could be a reason why I'm getting burning. it does not explain why the 3.0 ohm Vision Extreme (or CE2's I normally use), don't. odd.

The only other reason I can think of is that Visions wick better than XL Fluxos, mostly because they are quite a bit shorter. I love the taste of XL Fluxos, but they do require a little help, especially once they are getting near empty. Tipping them up to vape is just second nature to me, I guess. I don't really think about it; but you have to keep the wick under the coil wet.

 

[zoiDman]

The only other reason I can think of is that Visions wick better than XL Fluxos. ...

As Rule62 mentioned, its not just about Volts and Amps.

A Carto/Atty has to wick fast enough or it is going to Burn e-Lquid.

So Thin e-Liquid and a Mod-ed CE2 is usualy needed at more than 7 or 8 watts.

 

[ninfreak]

to me a 2.8 vision feels like a 3 ohm carto at 5 volts. dont get math into it...they are different beasts and perform very differently. ill take the visions anyday, more vapor, twice the taste, and no burning filler

 

[zoiDman]

to me a 2.8 vision feels like a 3 ohm carto at 5 volts. dont get math into it...they are different beasts and perform very differently. ill take the visions anyday, more vapor, twice the taste, and no burning filler

Yeah. You can't Really compare ohms of a CE2 Type Carto to anything else straight across the board.

Kinda a Apples and Oranges Thing.

 

[Briar]

Whether the juice burns or not at particular voltage doesn't just depend on the coil resistance. It also depends on wicking. In my experience, Visions wick better than Fluxos, while Fluxos provide a slight edge on taste at lower voltages. Again, just IMHO.

So, yes, it stands to reason that a Fluxo might have burnt taste while Vision would not, even though they have the same resistance coil. I would also agree that Fluxos tend to work best on the lower end of the scale for a given voltage.

However, Fluxos come in a wild variety of resistances - you could try the highest one and see if it works for you. For me, 3.0 ohm Fluxos start being truly obnoxious above 4.2 Volts.

For your friend, I would have suggested 2.6 to 2.8 ohm range, if she is just starting out. Easier to deal with. In fact, I would suggest Visions for a beginner (Mini or Regular) - there is no fiddling with those. They work as is. I still love my Fluxos, but you have to fiddle with them for best results.

I wish Visions were available in their current iteration when I was just starting out with CE2s. As it was, being both unlucky and a tech dolt, I pulled out a significant chunk of hair to get them to work for me right at first.

Oh, and as someone advised me on this forum in the beginning: get a meter. Saves a lot of guessing. Well worth it.

 

[John Phoenix]

Thanks folks.. the wicking argument does make sense. I like thick juices so I have decided due to the wicking, I'll not get the XL's again. The Visions I love but I could not afford to get my friend several of those.. on a budget. I know she should be able to make a 5 pack of fluxies/CE2's last 3 to 5 months. (I can easily make one CE2 last a month) If she has trouble with these, I'll get her the short versions. I may have to save up and get her a Vision or two. I have had one last almost two months now but I don't know how hard she'd be on them as I have experience with cleaning and dry burning them. She's on a tighter budget than I so I wanted to get her as much as I could afford that would last her the longest.

I find the short fat (I think it's called the Mini) Vision Extreme to be almost the perfect CE2.