New Hcigar Clones

[blueGrassTubb]

Since I've been in the market for a new mod of late, I've spent a lot of time on hcigar's site. That being the case, when I returned there today I noticed that they have a few new mods that weren't there yesterday afternoon, so I presume they're in the pipes and will hit the street soon.

Hana Modz DNA20 (this looks to be a true clone, using a DNA20 chip with their logo and all).
Flip V3

Upon a closer look, they have DEFINITELY posted them today. So says the post date on each of those pages.

I'm not sure what the point of the Hana Modz DNA20 device is being that it has been confirmed in multiple places that there are already clones of the Hana Modz DNA30 being cloned, and without the logo

 

[JaRod]

If they really use the evolv chip, which is what makes a DNA a DNA, I don't really see the need to clone the HANA design, they could create one of their own..... and honestly there are more attractive DNA designs out there..... but well who knows.... So if they use a chip other than the Evolv I don't really see a reason to buy it...

 

[Absintheur]

Another ripoff clone...great...

 

[roflwaffles]

I was thinking of picking up the Flip clone but it looks like the whole thing is brushed when it should have polished accents.

V3 is going bonkers.

 

[Completely Average]

You missed a few...

The Hades and Templar mods are new as well.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

If they really use the evolv chip, which is what makes a DNA a DNA, I don't really see the need to clone the HANA design, they could create one of their own..... and honestly there are more attractive DNA designs out there..... but well who knows.... So if they use a chip other than the Evolv I don't really see a reason to buy it...

I wouldn't write off the new Chinese SXxxx chips. According to the data, they are every bit as good as the Evolv chips, and at a fraction of the cost. I'm currently using one in my Sigelei 20W, and it's a very nice vape. Smooth, robust, and accurate.

 

[VapinSweetZ]

AFAIK, they use a replica of the DNA board, made by Cloupor.

And more than copying the design, using their logo pisses me off, IMO that makes it counterfeiting and not cloning.

 

[bsoplinger]

Vapor Joe's has links to 3 different sites that offer Chinese DNA 30 type mods that do not use the Hana logo, all 80 bucks or less.

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[justacat]

Private V3 Clone WHEN!!??!?!? But that flip though. Looks super nice, reminds my of Zelda for some reason?

 

[supermarket]

Another ripoff clone...great...

Sounds like you don't like clones, sorry to hear that.

As for the rest of us, WOOHOOO!

HCigar is a fantastic company that makes really nice quality clones.

There are several types of clones I don't like. Cheap ones....that are made like crap.....and EXACT replicas, with logo and everything.

As long as it is GOOD quality, and doesn't copy the logo....I am ALL FOR CLONES.

In fact, clones are what keep the prices of originals in a fair range.....and clones create competition. Even if YOU don't buy clones, they still benefit YOU.

 

[VapinSweetZ]

Bottom line clones are the main reason that Mech mods are affordable, other than Kamry and Smoktech, I'm not familiar with genuine mechs below $50.

But unfortunately stores not always care whos the manufacture, I know some stores took the Maraxus clones off their shelfs because of "technical issues", I'm just guessing, but if they used only the highest quality it probably wouldn't happened.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

I have ZERO problems with clones, but copying logos (without some kind of other distinguishing mark clearly denoting that it is indeed a clone (like on the inside of a tube, or under a cap or something) and not the real deal, and in some cases even the packaging (see the Hcigar Taifun GT) is bad business.

I mea what good would a Caravela clone be without the Caravela logo? I just wish that it also said "Made by Hcigar" somewhere on the MOD (even if it's on the inside where you won't see it all of the time).

 

[suspectK]

If I was cloning, I wouldn't waste the money to get something to engrave the inside of a tube...and if I was cloning, I would care less about business ethics..

 

[roflwaffles]

I have ZERO problems with clones, but copying logos (without some kind of other distinguishing mark clearly denoting that it is indeed a clone (like on the inside of a tube, or under a cap or something) and not the real deal, and in some cases even the packaging (see the Hcigar Taifun GT) is bad business.

I mea what good would a Caravela clone be without the Caravela logo? I just wish that it also said "Made by Hcigar" somewhere on the MOD (even if it's on the inside where you won't see it all of the time).

I wouldn't mind having something subtle to denote my clones as clones but if I was a cloner, that would just be another step in the manufacturing process and wasting my time.

 

[Chelonian]

Sounds like you don't like clones, sorry to hear that.

As for the rest of us, WOOHOOO!

HCigar is a fantastic company that makes really nice quality clones.

There are several types of clones I don't like. Cheap ones....that are made like crap.....and EXACT replicas, with logo and everything.

As long as it is GOOD quality, and doesn't copy the logo....I am ALL FOR CLONES.

In fact, clones are what keep the prices of originals in a fair range.....and clones create competition. Even if YOU don't buy clones, they still benefit YOU.

If you smoked a half pack a day or more, there is nothing short of an Otto Carter that is not cheaper than your previous habit. So why not buy the real thing, happy in the knowledge that your are still saving money and being healthier, instead of taking the cheapest route?

If you could afford to smoke, you can afford the real thing.

The original person thought up the idea, spent the time and money developing it and bringing it to market, all for someone to steal it, and since that thief has no setup costs, not only do they undercut your price, but they have better margins as well.

You assertion that clones are helpful is dubious at best, for two reasons:
1) If you spend all the money to bring out a product, and its promptly stolen, then the market is flooded with cheap knockoffs, you are going to think twice about bringing out more

2) The real things that are out there will differentiate themselves the only way they can ; by charging MORE.

The two points above have been researched to death in markets much larger than our hobby, and are as close as a law as you can get in economics.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

If you smoked a half pack a day or more, there is nothing short of an Otto Carter that is not cheaper than your previous habit. So why not buy the real thing, happy in the knowledge that your are still saving money and being healthier, instead of taking the cheapest route?

If you could afford to smoke, you can afford the real thing.

The original person thought up the idea, spent the time and money developing it and bringing it to market, all for someone to steal it, and since that thief has no setup costs, not only do they undercut your price, but they have better margins as well.

You assertion that clones are helpful is dubious at best, for two reasons:
1) If you spend all the money to bring out a product, and its promptly stolen, then the market is flooded with cheap knockoffs, you are going to think twice about bringing out more

2) The real things that are out there will differentiate themselves the only way they can ; by charging MORE.

The two points above have been researched to death in markets much larger than our hobby, and are as close as a law as you can get in economics.

When you can get an original Caravela let me know.

I have 2 clones (Caravela and 69) and one original mech MOD (The Roller). I'm happy to buy an original, just not all of the time. They're notoriously difficult to get in most cases and prohibitively expensive much of the time.

 

[Vermonster13]

Clones copy features and mod design for what should be lower cost since no true development involved. Counterfeits use logos and undermine consumer confidence in what exactly they are buying also hurting the resale market. Buy clones not counterfeits people.

 

[bsoplinger]

If I buy a $30 mod that's exactly the same as a real one, I know what I have is fake. How will that effect consumer confidence, etc? Did all those cheap Rolex clones in the 80's effect consumer confidence in a Rolex? If someone wanted to spend 10k on a Rolex they did, regardless of whether there were fakes out there or not.

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[Completely Average]

Clones copy features and mod design for what should be lower cost since no true development involved.

How much "development" do you think goes into a mech mod?

You've got a tube, two end caps, an insulated contact pin on the top and bottom, and a button.

This isn't rocket science here, these are mech mods. Glorfied flashlights. They aren't difficult devices, and quite frankly, if what has been produced is the limits of their abilities then mod designers are pathetic and should find a new career. Buttons that don't work right, battery rattles, flimsy parts, top caps that don't fit some toppers, wild voltage variances, etc...

That gun was made in 1860, and you're telling me that here in 2014 with all of the modern equipment and engineering knowledge that we possess that a mech mod maker can't make a 100% reliable button? But they deserve $200+ for their efforts?

You show me a mech mod that is as complex and as well engineered as a Colt 1911 and I'll agree that it's worth the cost, but a $200 flashlight with a crappy button? Don't make me laugh.

 

[Chelonian]

When you can get an original Caravela let me know.

I have 2 clones (Caravela and 69) and one original mech MOD (The Roller). I'm happy to buy an original, just not all of the time. They're notoriously difficult to get in most cases and prohibitively expensive much of the time.

Whoa, I think that you misunderstand my personal position on this.

I have bought two clones - a caravela, and a nemesis. I have since bought one Nemisis, and just ordered the Nemi from Vaperev last night.

I have been looking for a Caravela for months.....dammit.

What I took issue with was the assertion that clones actually help the market. Clones help vapers, but they certainly don't help the makers of the originals.
Also, the upward pressure that numerous fakes put on the price of originals is a well documented phenomenon.

As for prices of originals, I just don't buy into the idea that so many cannot afford $150, or even $200 for a good mod. Nothing to do with anyone being poor....how much did smoking cost you a month?
If you could afford to smoke, you can easily afford two or three good mods a year. Or heck, just buy one or two good ones and stop.