New juice - no flavor - what's up?

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Lauralie

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Well I don't want to say until they respond to my email. I just thought maybe someone on here might be able to put my mind at ease:)

I picked a flavor, then mg nic, then chose from strength of flavors, then chose PG, VG or mix. I assume they had to mix it so I will patiently await their response and then go from there. I was so excited to get them but don't want to bad mouth anyone, especially before I get a response.

The VG doesn't affect flavor does it?
 

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I'm curious which supplier you ordered from? It is normal that you might get more flavor on the exhale than on the inhale, but that can depend a lot on the e-liquid. I've tried only a few different brands of e-liquid myself, maybe about six. I find that many e-liquids I've tried from forum member recommended suppliers seem to be overly subtle in flavor. Though the flavors themselves can be genuinely nice, they are also sometimes just plain too weak for my tastes, even though other people may love them. Ordering double extra flavor sometimes works, but doesn't at other times, often times depending on the flavor in question. Like me, you probably just need e-liquids that are blended from the beginning as strong flavors. Freshly made e-liquids do tend to taste better after they have been allowed to sit around for a few weeks, but I don't find that they necessarily improve in flavor strength much, if at all. Others have a different opinion on that. I think (more than any other factor, most if the time) part of an e-liquid flavor improving after a couple of weeks is really just you getting used to that particular flavor more as time passes. Perhaps I am being pessimistic? Maybe, but that's how I feel sometimes when I say I think a flavor is too weak, or otherwise tastes wrong, but other people are telling me it must be something wrong with me instead (like not being patient enough or whatever). We all have different tastes in these things, but some of us just need good strong flavors, while others can get by with the more subtle stuff. It looks like you need strong, so I would ask around for advice on what other members think are good strong flavor producing e-liquid suppliers. I personally like Halo for strong flavors, though they are also more smokey tobacco-like (and for some people too harsh) than some other e-liquids out there. I found Freedom Smoke USA and Backwoods Brew to tend towards weaker flavor strengths, though both certainly do have some good flavors (FSUSA's Rocking Chair is kind of cool, but weak). You may even want to consider going up to 36mg nicotine strength levels. Factory recommended e-cigarette nicotine starting levels tend to be one or two levels lower than they should be, just as their estimates of how many cigarettes a cartridge equals tend to be way over estimated (usually by at least 100%).

E-liquid flavors are tough to blend in a way that satisfies everyone. That is why when people ask for recommendations they will almost always get a flood of different supplier names to try out. It's tough, but I would recommend trying just a very small sampling order from a wide range of different suppliers. Some will be too weak for you. In fact, most probably will, because people that need stronger flavors seem to be in the minority. When reading up on other member recommendations you can keep an eye out for descriptive keywords such as "harsh" and "overpowering". When people are using those types of words to describe an e-liquid flavor, that may very well be the place you need to start at. Also, for the e-liquids you have now, you might want to try ordering concentrated flavors that are normally used by people who blend their own e-liquids. Then you can add a little at a time to what you have now until you get a flavor you think is strong enough. I know, kind of a pain, but not that hard to do, and you may end up learning a lot of useful stuff about yourself in the process. You might also want to look into trying some menthol type flavors. I was not into smoking menthol analogs at all, but I've found that menthol-like e-liquids are a different animal (just as e-cigarettes are a different experience from real smoking). They can add a nice extra flavor impression kick where other flavors may fail you. Try BWB's eJoker. You might like that. It's kind of a minty menthol-like, cinnamon and spice kind of a flavor, but in a subtler way than it sounds. For me, by itself it is a little weak in flavor strength, but I find it helpful to add it to other flavors that I think are even weaker. The combination is usually much better than either flavor alone. Lots of people mix up their own flavors in this way. There is nothing wrong with doing so.

Oh, and when you find an e-liquid that works for you, always keep it in good supply, even when you think you are ready to move on and try other flavors. There is nothing quite as annoying as having ten different e-liquid flavor sample bottles in front of you that you don't really like, but that you don't want to waste either. It helps a lot in those situations to have your old favorite e-liquid flavor standing by for you to use when are starting to feel like giving up and going back to analog (real) cigarettes. I hope you find something that works out really well for you. Good luck with it.

Oh, and also out of curiosity, what type of e-cigarette model setup are you using? Is everything still working like it should? Batteries keeping a good charge? Vaporizers making good vapor? Sometimes an e-liquid not working out well can be a sign of an upcoming component failure. If you switch out the same lot of batteries or atomizers regularly (without keeping a tested but unused reserve), they can all degrade on you quickly at once, and you won't necessarily realize what is happening right away until it is too late to replace those components in a timely manner. I'm not saying that is what is going on, but you should be sure to check, just in case.
 

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Well I don't want to say until they respond to my email. I just thought maybe someone on here might be able to put my mind at ease:)

I picked a flavor, then mg nic, then chose from strength of flavors, then chose PG, VG or mix. I assume they had to mix it so I will patiently await their response and then go from there. I was so excited to get them but don't want to bad mouth anyone, especially before I get a response.

The VG doesn't affect flavor does it?

Yes. VG can affect some flavors. It's thicker and sweeter than PG and it can mute some flavors, especially if your juice has a high percentage of it. I usually stick to a 50/50 mix and there are times when I need to let a flavor steep longer or actually add more flavor in order to get the taste I want.
 

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Also, though it probably doesn't apply, you won't taste much flavor at all if you have a cold or some other similar health issue going on. I'm just getting over a mild cold I've had over the last two days, and I can barely taste my favorite e-liquid, even though I do still get the throat hit (which is weird feeling without much flavor to go with it). You are not using a lot of VG (only 15%, right?), so I see no reason why it should have a major impact on flavor either way. 50/50 blends of PG/VG (very common) have been able to deliver very nice flavor, throat hit, and vapor production for me, so I don't think your 15% VG is an issue.
 

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Well the company has responded and they are looking into it (I figured they would). I told him I was not complaining just trying to figure it out. They sent me two free samples (first supplier to ever do that) - one 12mg and one 18mg that have great flavor. Don't know what mix they are.

And billybc96 - yes only 15% VG.
 

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You don't know what flavor the new samples are? They don't have labels on them? That us weird. What would you say the flavors taste like? Maybe that'll be enough, combined with knowing what flavors the supplier has, to figure out what they are supposed to be. I am glad your free samples have turned out well for you. I'm sure that must be something of a relief. Do you know if these new ones are double flavor as well? Sorry for all the questions. I just want to know how it all turns out in the end, with enough info to maybe help the rest of us make good decisions for ourselves down the road. Let us know how it goes.
 

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You don't know what flavor the new samples are? They don't have labels on them? That us weird. What would you say the flavors taste like? Maybe that'll be enough, combined with knowing what flavors the supplier has, to figure out what they are supposed to be. I am glad your free samples have turned out well for you. I'm sure that must be something of a relief. Do you know if these new ones are double flavor as well? Sorry for all the questions. I just want to know how it all turns out in the end, with enough info to maybe help the rest of us make good decisions for ourselves down the road. Let us know how it goes.

Well - turns out I didn't order right - so it is my fault and they are still going to fix it - sending me the extra flavoring. I asked them how much $ I need to pay them and they won't respond, surely he wants some compensation for MY mistake.
Now I can tell you who it is...I was afraid someone would turn my questions into something negative if I mentioned them before and I didn't want anyone to misinterpret anything - especially since I am so new to this.

My Freedom Smokes - Chris worked through it with me and I didn't order the "strong" like I thought I did. It was my mistake and he is fixing my mistake. I feel like an idiot now.

Thank you for everyone's suggestions and help. Sorry for wasting everyone's time.
 

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Just to update everyone -

I ordered 10 ml of each of blueberry, black cherry and vanilla all 24 mg, strong flavor, 85 pg / 15 vg. I thought i ordered extra strong but didn't. Chris sent me a little brown bottles of each of the different juices flavorant to add to make them stronger (I am guessing the brown bottles were 1 to 1.5 ml of flavorant - don't know). Anyway I added the whole brown bottle of each flavorant to the corresponding flavor and they still seem to have no flavor. Chris said I probably added too much flavorant and might have to just throw them away. Should I just put them on the freebies post and let someone that knows what they are doing take them and fix them for themselves? Don't want to throw them away. Or do you think i can fix them? Any ideas?

I added the extra flavorant on the 20th or 21st - left them sit open for a night and they still really lack flavor. I don't want to throw them away if I don't have to.

I still do not blame the supplier in any way shape or form - just trying to figure out what I can do. Any ideas?
 

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I probably would just call them a lost cause at this point and chuck them away, but that is up to you. I think it is too much bother trying to get someone else to take these on and try figuring out some way to make them work. Sometimes that is just the way things go. It is admirable to try making some use out of them, but that could also end up getting frustrating. At least that has been my experience with this sort of thing.
 
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