Thanks for all the replies and welcomes. I think I've changed my mind on the Provari based on price and my experience. I mentioned in the first post I was really interested in bottom button mods. I have read good things about the hcigar Nemesis clone and it looks pretty cool. I think I'm going to order it from VapeRoyalty with a Aspire nautilus tank, an Efest 18650 and a Efest multi charger. Would this be a decent set up for beginner to mechanical mods etc? It's MUCH cheaper than the Provari option and looks pretty cool.
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For what it's worth, I don't think many vapers will find a Nautilus on a mech mod much performance. (not really enough power for the coils)
A subtank maybe, or other tanks between 0.5ohm and 1.5ohm, perhaps.
I wouldn't even know where to begin with a V4 Kayfun, but the "old" Kayfuns with a coil between 1.2ohms and 1.5ohms is just about perfect for me on Nemesis.
A subtank maybe, or other tanks between 0.5ohm and 1.5ohm, perhaps.
I wouldn't even know where to begin with a V4 Kayfun, but the "old" Kayfuns with a coil between 1.2ohms and 1.5ohms is just about perfect for me on Nemesis.
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With a mechanical mod the only way to "fine tune" your vape is to change your stock coil (or build a new coil). With a vv/vw regulated mod (and its buck/boost circuitry) you can "fine tune" with a push of a button. On a mechanical mod your voltage drops as you vape, with a regulated mod this does not happen. Your first hit is just as good as your last hit.
With a mechanical mod the only way to "fine tune" your vape is to change your stock coil (or build a new coil). With a vv/vw regulated mod (and its buck/boost circuitry) you can "fine tune" with a push of a button. On a mechanical mod your voltage drops as you vape, with a regulated mod this does not happen. Your first hit is just as good as your last hit.
You won't want to run any premade coils on a mech mod cause you can't tune it. Also with a mech mod, you start out at 4.2 volts and as you vape the power dwindles down. On a regulated devices you will have a regulated, consistent vape.
I really like the look of the nemesis and I'd really like to get that over a VV/VW at this point. I don't know much about RBA's so I'd need a suggestion for an RBA that's good for beginners. Additionally, with the degrading battery issue, a battery size recommendation / kicker idea would be great! If they had a cool bottom button VV/VW that wasn't a box style I might be interested in that though.
I would get a subtank mini that way you can try rebuilding and still have premade coils. Or a delta 2. I prefer the delta 2. Subtank mini is marginally cheaper. Though it depends on where you buy them. And battery ideas? A nitecore d2 charger and samsung 25r batteries will power a device quite well, but they will always drop volts cause that's what batteries do. And that's where mech mods suffer.
If you are going to go the mech mods/rebuildables route I highly recommend you spend some time with @Baditude (one of our resident battery/safety experts) and visit his blogs. You will be 100% in control of your own safety (and others around you). Make sure you purchase an ohm reader and a voltmeter or DMM so you can measure your builds, check for shorts and measure the remaining charge on your batteries.
Baditude's Blog - Table of Contents: The blogs that address battery safety, Ohm's Law, CDR (continuous discharge rating/Amps) and how they all work together are detailed below:
BATTERIES
Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected ICR?
* Another essential read to understand which batteries are safe to use in mechanical and regulated mods. Includes a frequently updated list of recommended safe-chemistry, high-drain batteries with their specifications.
Purple Efest Batteries not as Advertised
* A cautionary blog that reveals that the purple Efest batteries may not have the specifications advertised. Also includes a commentary on "continuous discharge ratings" vs "pulse discharge ratings" of battery specs.
OHM'S LAW
Ohm's Law for Dummies (Vapers)
* My attempt at explaining Ohm's Law in layman terms and how it relates to vaping.
Explain it to the Dumb Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations
* As simple as it is to use, some people have a tough time grasping the concept. Warning: Includes graphic photos of mod explosions.
MECHANICAL MODS & REBUILDABLES
Information Resources for Your First RBA
* An essential read and reference guide for someone new to rebuilding coils. Includes a multitude of useful links on battery safety, mod safety, coil meters, coil building, and the differences in the three types of RBA's.
Inexpensive Mechanical Mod/RDA Setup
* A response to the frequently asked question on how to get into rebuildable atomizers with a mechanical mod inexpensively. Includes a list of commonly used tools and supplies for rebuilding and where to find them.
BATTERIES - WHERE TO BUY
Only buy batteries from a reputable supplier (not ebay or Amazon) as there are many counterfeit batteries being sold. Here are several reputable battery suppliers in the US.
* RTD Vapor
* Illumination Supply
* Lighthound
* Orbtronics
Baditude's Blog - Table of Contents: The blogs that address battery safety, Ohm's Law, CDR (continuous discharge rating/Amps) and how they all work together are detailed below:
BATTERIES
Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected ICR?
* Another essential read to understand which batteries are safe to use in mechanical and regulated mods. Includes a frequently updated list of recommended safe-chemistry, high-drain batteries with their specifications.
Purple Efest Batteries not as Advertised
* A cautionary blog that reveals that the purple Efest batteries may not have the specifications advertised. Also includes a commentary on "continuous discharge ratings" vs "pulse discharge ratings" of battery specs.
OHM'S LAW
Ohm's Law for Dummies (Vapers)
* My attempt at explaining Ohm's Law in layman terms and how it relates to vaping.
Explain it to the Dumb Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations
* As simple as it is to use, some people have a tough time grasping the concept. Warning: Includes graphic photos of mod explosions.
MECHANICAL MODS & REBUILDABLES
Information Resources for Your First RBA
* An essential read and reference guide for someone new to rebuilding coils. Includes a multitude of useful links on battery safety, mod safety, coil meters, coil building, and the differences in the three types of RBA's.
Inexpensive Mechanical Mod/RDA Setup
* A response to the frequently asked question on how to get into rebuildable atomizers with a mechanical mod inexpensively. Includes a list of commonly used tools and supplies for rebuilding and where to find them.
BATTERIES - WHERE TO BUY
Only buy batteries from a reputable supplier (not ebay or Amazon) as there are many counterfeit batteries being sold. Here are several reputable battery suppliers in the US.
* RTD Vapor
* Illumination Supply
* Lighthound
* Orbtronics
Honestly something looking "cool" with a bottom button should be the very last thing you consider. Those are for advanced vapers. Get something you can vape safely and enjoy the same day You buy it. Then learn all the things you need to know and if you still want a mech mod get one then. I wouldn't advise someone who just made their first paper airplane go out the next day and fly a real plane either. I'm not trying to come down on you at all. I'm trying to keep you and this industry safe. Every time someone gets hurt vaping they not only hurt themselves they also hurt the vaping industry. If you want big clouds, great flavor or both you can do it safely with a regulated mod.
Ohm has an excellent point and analogy. You can make sure you read and study up on ohms law, batteries and everything you cant find on how to build a stable coil (which Susan sent you links for). You can do that. You MUST have an ohm reader and a thorough understanding of how ohms law relates to the amount of power you are drawing from the battery and it's capacity, however. Otherwise, you are putting yourself at risk.
Personally, I would steer you to a regulated device to start, doesn't have to be a Provari; could be a DNA or many others.
Learning to safely build RBAs on mechs is a skill and it has a learning curve. Much as Ohm Gnome said, "I wouldn't advise someone who just made their first paper airplane go out the next day and fly a real plane either."
If you are willing to learn everything you need to know to do it safely, that's fine. Regulation is an easier option at this point to work yourself up to advanced vaping. With regulation you can build and make noob mistakes but your mod won't allow you to dead short and go into thermal runaway. Batteries are safe when used safely.
Personally, I would steer you to a regulated device to start, doesn't have to be a Provari; could be a DNA or many others.
Learning to safely build RBAs on mechs is a skill and it has a learning curve. Much as Ohm Gnome said, "I wouldn't advise someone who just made their first paper airplane go out the next day and fly a real plane either."
If you are willing to learn everything you need to know to do it safely, that's fine. Regulation is an easier option at this point to work yourself up to advanced vaping. With regulation you can build and make noob mistakes but your mod won't allow you to dead short and go into thermal runaway. Batteries are safe when used safely.
Oh and if it's a money issue there are plenty of affordable regulated mods. Just look around. The Subox kit seems to be a great deal
As others have attempted to steer you towards a safer setup at the beginning, I'll have to agree. Those bottom fire buttons that you are so attracted to can be a hazard. If you don't lock the button EACH TIME that you set it down, or place your mod into your pocket, pressure from the weight of the mod can cause it to unintentionally autofire and if you're not aware you will have a venting battery in your now HOT pocket. Believe me, its happened to me.
If you are dead set to get a mech, get one of the safest ones that you can find. An AltSmoke Silver Bullet has a recessed side fire button which is nearly impossible to autofire on you. It will accept a Kick for voltage regulation and a greater degree of safety against short circuits. American made of extremely durable aircraft-grade aluminum (its lightweight), so should it happen to break you can just send it in to AltSmoke for repairs. I own two of them, and gave one to my son.
An Inexpensive Mechanical Mod and RBA Setup for Beginners
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I think I had your issue when I started. I didn't want to walk around with a mini brick in my hand.
To be honest, I like the feel of my box mods better than mech shape. It's nice to have some heft in the old meathooks.
To be honest, I like the feel of my box mods better than mech shape. It's nice to have some heft in the old meathooks.
Hmm. I'm not sure. I like the ease of the old ones. Maybe I'm just scared of all the parts!
You can't go wrong with a provari; the question is if you can afford.
As for a nemesis, that is a mechanical mod. It has no electronics, no short circuit protection or anything. A mechanical mod is not recommended for someone with little experience.
Have a look at the Sigelei's, the IPVs, and the Vaporsharks.
Provari's on sale for just $80 at SPECIALS at Provape.
Why Provari? Best investment I've made during my 3 years vaping.
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