new piece. help

[AnubisDrake]

I've just picked up another mod. It's a plume veil rda, with a mechanical mod. I'm building coils, 26 ga. 6 rings. dualies. Everything seems to be hooked up nicely. before wicking it, I fire it up. And it's weak. It'll take approximately 4 seconds for the coils to get red hot. Quadruple the time it takes on my subtank over a kbox. What am I doing wrong?

 

[roxynoodle]

What is the resistance, and what mod is it?

 

[Remote44]

If its a mech mod what battery?

 

[twgbonehead]

A quick experiment - Try just a single coil. If it heats up a lot faster, you're running the battery over it's capacity, which is a very bad thing to do!

 

[sonicbomb]

More details required.
Bear in mind that dry firing the coil is an unnatural in that there is no wicking or juice for it to atomize. Once this is done the coils will not be able to get as hot and certainly will not glow. Having said that 'ramp up time' is a subjective con for heavier guage wires. Personally a second or so of ramp up doesn't bother me, I just fire it on the way to my mouth.
I suggest you wick and juice it, then fire it with the top cap off and see how long the delay is between hitting button and it chucking out vapor.

The other possibility is that you have a naff battery that is struggling to produce enough amperage to run your coils. This is VERY bad and should concern you greatly. What battery are you using, and what is the resistance of the coils?

 

[Completely Average]

You're not doing anything wrong, other than trying to use more metal in your coils than a mech mod can heat quickly.

26 gauge wire is pretty thick. There's a lot of metal to heat. Plus you have two coils to heat rather than just one. A 3-4 second heat up time for a build like that would be entirely normal. Using a build like that you'll need to take a few primer puffs (Puffing without inhaling) while it's heating up until it's producing good vapor. You'll also find that it takes quite some time to cool back down so you'll need to let off the power and continue sucking for a couple of seconds to let the coils cool back down or you'll burn the wick.

 

[twgbonehead]

You're not doing anything wrong, other than trying to use more metal in your coils than a mech mod can heat quickly.

26 gauge wire is pretty thick. There's a lot of metal to heat. Plus you have two coils to heat rather than just one. A 3-4 second heat up time for a build like that would be entirely normal. Using a build like that you'll need to take a few primer puffs (Puffing without inhaling) while it's heating up until it's producing good vapor. You'll also find that it takes quite some time to cool back down so you'll need to let off the power and continue sucking for a couple of seconds to let the coils cool back down or you'll burn the wick.

While I agree with almost everything you say, the hilighted part is something I don't agree with. If you aren't overtaxing your battery, two coils in parallel should heat up just as fast as a single coil. If they heat up more slowly, this is a very dangerous sign!

 

[The_Nom]

For a dripper, 26ga is fairly average across the board. What inner diameter size on the coils? This would help me understand a bit better on the size of the coils to determine resistance. It sounds like you may have a voltage drop situation, overtaxing your batteries, or otherwise.
Ohm our the atty if you can otherwise make sure all connections are clean and remember. Be safe.

 

[Completely Average]

While I agree with almost everything you say, the hilighted part is something I don't agree with. If you aren't overtaxing your battery, two coils in parallel should heat up just as fast as a single coil. If they heat up more slowly, this is a very dangerous sign!

More slowly than what exactly?

Let's say you have a .5ohm single coil and a .5 ohm dual coil using the same gauge wire. The dual coil is two 1.0 ohm coils, and that is absolutely going to take longer to heat than a single .5 ohm coil. With the same wattage applied to both you've got twice as much metal to heat in the dual coil.

 

[Wolfenstark]

With my marquis rda atm I'm using 26g 0.35Ω on a mech mod getting a good vape.
Thats getting 50 or so watts on a full battery, higher ohms will be pulling lower watts and going down as the battery is being used.
Im usually at 0.3-4 sometimes 0.5 when using the mech.

 

[AnubisDrake]

If its a mech mod what battery?

This is my set up. I have the Plume Viel RDA, sitting on a mod... IDK, it says 4nine on the bottom. with a 3.7v battery.

Here's the pic

 

[iamthevoice]

Building and troubleshooting coil builds without a way to measure the actual resistance (as opposed to what it ''should'' be) is difficult at best and dangerous at worst. Best advice is get a multimeter or dedicated ohm reader. Good luck!

 

[twgbonehead]

More slowly than what exactly?

Let's say you have a .5ohm single coil and a .5 ohm dual coil using the same gauge wire. The dual coil is two 1.0 ohm coils, and that is absolutely going to take longer to heat than a single .5 ohm coil. With the same wattage applied to both you've got twice as much metal to heat in the dual coil.

I guess I wasn't clear on that. What I meant was:

"If you have 2 coils in parallel, and they heat up slowly, but if you remove one of the coils and the other one heats up faster you are overstressing your battery with the 2-coil setup". I didn't mean to imply that dual coils at 0.5 ohms should act the same as a single coil at 0.5 ohms. Sorry, I didn't quite get what you meant in your original post!

 

[Remote44]

You're not doing anything wrong, other than trying to use more metal in your coils than a mech mod can heat quickly.

26 gauge wire is pretty thick. There's a lot of metal to heat. Plus you have two coils to heat rather than just one. A 3-4 second heat up time for a build like that would be entirely normal. Using a build like that you'll need to take a few primer puffs (Puffing without inhaling) while it's heating up until it's producing good vapor. You'll also find that it takes quite some time to cool back down so you'll need to let off the power and continue sucking for a couple of seconds to let the coils cool back down or you'll burn the wick.

Yeah had this same exact issue on 24ga . super low resistance but just too much material to heat up

 

[AnubisDrake]

OK great. An ohm reader. Got it. How much do those run for?

 

[ElevenEleven]

Is your battery dead?

 

[twgbonehead]

OK great. An ohm reader. Got it. How much do those run for?

$5.86 Atomizer Resistance Tester (Ohm Meter) - eGo/510 connector / 2*AA / black at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping


And they also serve as a build stand.

 

[AnubisDrake]

Is your battery dead?

It's fully charged

 

[ElevenEleven]

It's fully charged

Alright, man, I'm going to give you the crash course of mechs.

You've got a hybrid. What that means is your atty is making a direct connection to your battery. Considering that you haven't blown yourself up, your Plume Veil has a protruding positive pin (the little thing on the bottom that hopefully sticks out of your 510 threads). The advantage of a hybrid mod is less voltage drop. So, its weird that you're having so much lag.

I know nothing of your battery. If you know the CDR (continuous discharge rate) then it could be very helpful to know what resistances you can build to. I'm hoping its a rewrapped 20 amp CDR.

Some tips:
Get an ohm meter. Eleaf makes one for ~$15.
Buy genuine batteries from reputable dealers, such as RTD Vapor and Illumn.
Never let your battery/batteries drain past 3.5-3.6 volts.
Know what you're buying.

 

[DHolly]

+1

How have you been checking your ohms with other builds? I'm guessing this is your first mech mod (dosent have the safety).
These batteries arn't something to play around with. Do little googling about them please and educate yourself.
Until then, jeez put that down!