New "study" done.

[HDBanger]

I had to post this, I was reading a tech site I frequent and they had this article up today. It is totally bogus of course, more propaganda. I even gave a plug for Puresmoker in my comment.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=17662

 

[Our House]

"The study, the first study of e-cigarettes to be conducted by U.S. doctors, found that almost no nicotine was actually delivered by the devices and instead users were actually inhaling a nicotine-devoid toxic vapor of compounds like diethylene glycol or nitrosamines, a family of cancer-causing nitrogen compounds."

Get the **** out of here. C'mon!

 

[Our House]

"at least one manufacturer used diethylene glycol as a key ingredient, a chemical commonly used in antifreeze and toxic to humans."

This is getting beyond ridiculous.

 

[Lab]

If the FDA approved it I would have to quit using mine.. I see too many things on TV that the FDA approved that will kill me..

 

[mpetva]

Already posted here and has many replies etc:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/69409-cnn-com-today.html

 

[Our House]

OMG ALL OF A SUDDEN NICOTINE IS GOOD FOR YOU!! (now that ecigs don't have it):

"Nicotine has some beneficial health effects, particularly for the mentally ill, so it is disappointing that e-cigarettes appear unable to deliver the compound."

Someone shoot me.

 

[PlanetScribbles]

"at least one manufacturer used diethylene glycol as a key ingredient, a chemical commonly used in antifreeze and toxic to humans."

This is getting beyond ridiculous.

You are not kidding. Is there no such thing as 'libel' in the US of A?
Can you just tell lies and get away with it if you are a media outlet?

 

[slybootz]

I had to post this, I was reading a tech site I frequent and they had this article up today. It is totally bogus of course, more propaganda. I even gave a plug for Puresmoker in my comment.

DailyTech - Study: E-Cigarettes Fail at Nicotine Delivery, No Better Than Unlit Cigarette

I really hate misinformed articles like this one, as well as the misinformed comments at the bottom. I posted a few comments to this article, and hopefully clarified a few points.

OurHouse:
"at least one manufacturer used diethylene glycol as a key ingredient, a chemical commonly used in antifreeze and toxic to humans."

This is actually true, from what I remember(about DEG being found in e-liquid, but it's certainly not a 'key ingredient'). A certain liquid from one manufacturer was indeed found to have less than 1% diethylene glycol in their ingredients. However, this was an older study by a less-reputable liquid maker, and I'm sure it has been fixed. Unfortunately, the FDA used this report to mislead the public about e-cigarettes:

How and Why The FDA Misled The Public | Electronic Cigarettes by Instead E-Cigarette

 

[Lab]

well here is the problem.. Fox News Gets Court OK to Lie Civilianism News

 

[BigJimW]

This looks like the establishment is pulling straws. Notice since the decision by Leon, suddenly we're all vaping nicotine void toxic gasses?

The stradegy here is to not stop current users from using the PV, but limit the damage caused by new people who start every day.

Now the blows are hitting below the belt.

 

[Our House]

This is actually true, from what I remember(about DEG being found in e-liquid, but it's certainly not a 'key ingredient'). A certain liquid from one manufacturer was indeed found to have less than 1% diethylene glycol in their ingredients.http://www.e-cig.org/2009/07/24/how-and-why-the-fda-misled-the-public/

Oh, I'm fully aware of the FDA "study" and how a Smoking Everywhere cartridge was found to contain a small amount of DEG. What I take issue with is the fact that the statement:

"at least one manufacturer used diethylene glycol as a key ingredient"

...is a FAR cry from the truth that SE overlooked trace amounts of a toxin in their quality control of ONE cartridge out of many. It's not something they USED as a KEY INGREDIENT. Saying so is a bold-faced lie.

 

[Quitter man]

so if we say..using vg,distilled water and food grad flavoring is a no problem?since nic cannot be delivered using ecigs then I don't really see the harm!! to the contrary thousands of die hard smokers using ecig instead of analog- then we are talking about dream come true and all the organizations governmental or otherwise that trying to send the massage of how harmful tobacco are shall stand behind e-cig as a much valuable option to tobacco!! some body correct me if I am wrong here!!

 

[BuzzKill]

This new study by Dr. Eissenberg BLOWS the basis of the FDA and the Antismoking groups objection to E-Cigs OUT OF THE WATER !!
they have to resort to a new tactic , DEG ! we always knew that would come up , that is why its there in the first place.

If the E-liquid is CLEAN and an E-cigs delivers NO nicotine there is NO REASON to ban them ! this has got to be driving the holier than thou quit smoking guys CRAZY LMAO !

I'm just glad I quit smoking using a PLACEBO ! Its the best placebo I have ever had !

 

[Quitter man]

well..my true concerned is the folks that still using analogs . once they learn that ecig DOES NOT DELIVER will be deterred from trying ecig like we all did and pass on golden opportunity to get off analog for good !!

 

[Lithium1330]

Good thing is that site has an "Ethics Policy", maybe we should write to the Executive Editor or the Site Founder and let them know what their "contributors" are publishing:

DailyTech - Ethics Policy

 

[ChipCurtis]

well..my true concerned is the folks that still using analogs . once they learn that ecig DOES NOT DELIVER will be deterred from trying ecig like we all did and pass on golden opportunity to get off analog for good !!

And as BigJimW just said, that is exactly their strategy at this point: STOP any further FDA $$$$ losses by scaring away ANY MORE potential customers to e-cigs. Keep the curious mainstream-media watcher uninformed and mis-led, keep the vaping movement SMALL, and then CRUSH US when the opportunity is ripe. It's called "divide and conquer".

 

[ChipCurtis]

"at least one manufacturer used diethylene glycol as a key ingredient"

...is a FAR cry from the truth that SE overlooked trace amounts of a toxin in their quality control of ONE cartridge out of many. It's not something they USED as a KEY INGREDIENT. Saying so is a bold-faced lie.

Not only what you said, but in addition: The only reason the -1% DEG was found in one cartridge wasn't the result of sloppy manufacturing, but because the processed tobacco from which that company extracted the nic-juice most likely contained the DEG in the first place!

DEG is routinely used in regular cigarettes to keep the tobacco moist and give it a longer shelf-life. And it's in there in much greater quantities than any accidental amount found in an e-cig cartridge! If all 18 cartridges were made from unprocessed raw tobacco, there wouldn't have been any DEG at all.

I think FDA probably realized this and (naturally) shut up about it.

 

[eric]

If they're so certain we aren't absorbing any of the nicotine with our e-cigarettes, I'd like to see one of these hotshots chain vape 36mg for an hour straight.

 

[TokenVapor]

Wow!! with all that DEG in our e-cigs we should be dropping over like flies.

 

[wave42]

well here is the problem.. Fox News Gets Court OK to Lie Civilianism News

Run that by me again?

That's why it's okay to lie about ecigs? Is that also why it's okay to lie about saturated fats and climate change?


Sorry, I can't blame the media for the general population's willingness to accept any assertion without researching it for themselves.