New Super Concentrated Flavors

[sinnyc]

Fernand,

Yes, I thought Tuscan Reserve was the best of FA's tobaccos and the Virginia was the only other one I could tolerate at all. I do have the Black Fire as well but it came off as more of a fireplace, wood-type smoke than tobacco and it could obviously overpower any mix quite easily. I'll revisit FA with a combo of those two and let them sit for a while.

As for the mixing properties of the VZ's, I am getting a bit worried about flavor cancellation. I've been tinkering with various mixes and it seems to me that all of VZ's super concentrates were engineered as standalone flavors so I can certainly understand your comment on them being "cartoon-real". It's almost as if they made to be so hyper-realistic that they teeter on the edge of unrealistic. I've had some success mixing 2 together but when I start trying to combine multiples I'm getting "dead" mixes that are just muddles with very little discernible taste. With, for example, Capellas, each flavor in, ohh...say a 5 flavor mix seems to maintain a clear "voice" whereas 5 VZ flavors tend to become a cacophony. It may be a steeping issue. I have found the VZ juices all need some steeping time, particularly the tobaccos, so perhaps the mixes need even more. We'll see.

I hope I can figure out the key to mixing several VZ flavors because I'm sure there are some wonderfully complex tastes to be found. These really are the best single-flavor flavorings I've tried and if I can get them to sing together it could be quite a chorus.

- Tim

 

[wolcen]

It's like the "throat hit" issue. Nicotine has a good and satisfying feel there, it doesn't take huge amounts, but it's virtually impossible to duplicate. The rest of the various "throat hits" is just irritation.

Could there be two things here? Irritants adding to the feel (which I don't understand why anyone wants), or something else taking away/masking it. I'm trying to stick to flavors that don't do either [if I want more TH, I'll reduce VG or add more nic since we're pretty familiar with that].

That said, while I'm not particularly sensitive to TH the 4 I've tried so far seem to be in this category.

Also - just wanted to reiterate that I'm grateful they decided to lower the bar of entry for each flavor. Not sure if they listened to the feedback there, or made this (wise IMHO) decision on their own. I'm going to be an optimist and hope they listened to myself and the others that commented on this. That extra $2 is the difference between three or just two flavors in my order. I'd be even happier if they sold them even smaller, but I won't hold my breath.

2ml for $2.99? Even 1ml @ $1.99 (could make 40ml)? Anyone with me here or am I just asking VZ to spend too much time for too little $?

 

[the ob]

ok.

so after calming down for a day, I finally tried the raspberry that I made.

5ml with 6 drops.

my first taste and I have to say it tastes a little "perfumey" to me.

what does that mean? Too much flavor? Too little?

Is there something I can add or do to take that away?

 

[Shilo]

ok.

so after calming down for a day, I finally tried the raspberry that I made.

5ml with 6 drops.

my first taste and I have to say it tastes a little "perfumey" to me.

what does that mean? Too much flavor? Too little?

Is there something I can add or do to take that away?

If you just mixed it let it sit for a few days--it will settle down. Sometimes I add a drop or two of tart & sour but I would taste this unadulterated after steeping a few days to see what you think of the naked flavor.

 

[the ob]

If you just mixed it let it sit for a few days--it will settle down. Sometimes I add a drop or two of tart & sour but I would taste this unadulterated after steeping a few days to see what you think of the naked flavor.

thanks shilohcalista. I will do that and report back.

sorry to all for derailing the thread with my DIY frustrations. Ill keep those to my thread that deals with that.

 

[Katdarling]

Hi all,

I've stumbled onto this thread and am so glad I did. I'm relatively new at DIY and have produced a few good bottles of juice (emphasis on few), but gave them all away. I didn't care for my own mixes. Discovering this thread and VZ may actually change that story now.

I have not yet placed an order as I've been waiting for the Cream to be back in stock. Do any of you know if there's some "in the back"? I prolly won't let that be my reason not to order, but it was as good as any to save a bit of cash. After reading well over 2000 posts here, my temptation level is just too high.

How does this sound for a first order?

Real Cig

Mandarin

Black & Mild

Vanilla

Virginia Flu Cured Tobacco

I vape 3 vendor juices that I absolutely adore. While I would never dream to be able to recreate them, would you be helpful in assisting me to head in the right direction of the flavor notes of particular juices, and might I mention them here?

Lastly, would someone please point me to a specific DIY thread on cleaning and sterilizing (re-using) bottles?

Appreciate it greatly, and again I'm thrilled I found you guys.

 

[Shilo]

Hi all,

I've stumbled onto this thread and am so glad I did. I'm relatively new at DIY and have produced a few good bottles of juice (emphasis on few), but gave them all away. I didn't care for my own mixes. Discovering this thread and VZ may actually change that story now.

I have not yet placed an order as I've been waiting for the Cream to be back in stock. Do any of you know if there's some "in the back"? I prolly won't let that be my reason not to order, but it was as good as any to save a bit of cash. After reading well over 2000 posts here, my temptation level is just too high.

How does this sound for a first order?

Real Cig

Mandarin

Black & Mild

Vanilla

Virginia Flu Cured Tobacco

I vape 3 vendor juices that I absolutely adore. While I would never dream to be able to recreate them, would you be helpful in assisting me to head in the right direction of the flavor notes of particular juices, and might I mention them here?

Lastly, would someone please point me to a specific DIY thread on cleaning and sterilizing (re-using) bottles?

Appreciate it greatly, and again I'm thrilled I found you guys.

You can always contact VZ on the website before you order to see if they have any cream to spare.

 

[Katdarling]

Thank you, shilo. I've actually just sent them a message about that.

 

[Jimi D.]

Hi all,

I've stumbled onto this thread and am so glad I did. I'm relatively new at DIY and have produced a few good bottles of juice (emphasis on few), but gave them all away. I didn't care for my own mixes. Discovering this thread and VZ may actually change that story now.

I have not yet placed an order as I've been waiting for the Cream to be back in stock. Do any of you know if there's some "in the back"? I prolly won't let that be my reason not to order, but it was as good as any to save a bit of cash. After reading well over 2000 posts here, my temptation level is just too high.

How does this sound for a first order?

Real Cig

Mandarin

Black & Mild

Vanilla

Virginia Flu Cured Tobacco

I vape 3 vendor juices that I absolutely adore. While I would never dream to be able to recreate them, would you be helpful in assisting me to head in the right direction of the flavor notes of particular juices, and might I mention them here?

Lastly, would someone please point me to a specific DIY thread on cleaning and sterilizing (re-using) bottles?

Appreciate it greatly, and again I'm thrilled I found you guys.

That's a very nice, and tasty selection of flavors...

 

[MrBeo]

This Vz Licorice is very Pleasant! Its more a Red Licorice but hints of Black Licorice are there. I added some to my Other Tobacco, Vanilla, & Caramel and today its coming together very well! If you Don't like Black Licorice this will work with you and if Red Licorice is too sweet this is just right to me. May change more with time but in the 24 hours I have had it - its about what I would be looking for in a Licorice...

 

[Sdh]

Can you guys reassure me that the black n mild has the vanilla note. in it. A friend sent me a pre-mixed bottle but it is all gone! I thought I would try a different vendors but it is the chocolate or? note version....I have a ton of flavors to try but all I can think about is the black n mild vanilla......and I see they are selling larger bottles.

Please and thank you for any comment related to black n mild..... Oh, I will check later...have to do some grilling.

 

[wolcen]

Can you guys reassure me that the black n mild has the vanilla note. in it. A friend sent me a pre-mixed bottle but it is all gone! I thought I would try a different vendors but it is the chocolate or? note version....I have a ton of flavors to try but all I can think about is the black n mild vanilla......and I see they are selling larger bottles.

Please and thank you for any comment related to black n mild..... Oh, I will check later...have to do some grilling.

I relabeled my bottle to "Cocoa"

 

[Sdh]

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[AzPlumber]

Can you guys reassure me that the black n mild has the vanilla note. in it. A friend sent me a pre-mixed bottle but it is all gone! I thought I would try a different vendors but it is the chocolate or? note version....I have a ton of flavors to try but all I can think about is the black n mild vanilla......and I see they are selling larger bottles.

Please and thank you for any comment related to black n mild..... Oh, I will check later...have to do some grilling.

B&M has a predominate chocolate note, the only vz tobacco that I have detected a slight vanilla note is the Cigar

 

[AzPlumber]

This Vz Licorice is very Pleasant! Its more a Red Licorice but hints of Black Licorice are there. I added some to my Other Tobacco, Vanilla, & Caramel and today its coming together very well! If you Don't like Black Licorice this will work with you and if Red Licorice is too sweet this is just right to me. May change more with time but in the 24 hours I have had it - its about what I would be looking for in a Licorice...

Yes Mr Beo the licorice is very tasty and definitely a red licorice flavor. I'm also at the 24 hour mark but must say this is the best red licorice I have mixed and I've tried quite a few, my DW's favorite treat is red licorice.

 

[odysseysteve]

B&M has a predominate chocolate note, the only vz tobacco that I have detected a slight vanilla note is the Cigar

I would say the Honey Flue Cured (vaping some as I type) has a slight vanilla note. Is it just my taste buds?

 

[AzPlumber]

I would say the Honey Flue Cured (vaping some as I type) has a slight vanilla note. Is it just my taste buds?

I can easily see some getting a hint of vanilla from the HFC, just not sure which one Sdh is refering to that has the vanilla note.

 

[Jimi D.]

This Vz Licorice is very Pleasant! Its more a Red Licorice but hints of Black Licorice are there. I added some to my Other Tobacco, Vanilla, & Caramel and today its coming together very well! If you Don't like Black Licorice this will work with you and if Red Licorice is too sweet this is just right to me. May change more with time but in the 24 hours I have had it - its about what I would be looking for in a Licorice...

I'm vaping it right now as I type.. It's funny how the mind works. I was searching for black licorice. All I tasted was fruit at first. Then the waxy texture kicked in. This is pretty good..I'd like to have the black also.. I love the bite from black licorice..

 

[Shilo]

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Sdh I can send you a little bit if you want a sample--I don't taste what they taste to me its just light and mild pipe tobacco. I have a big old jug so I could spare some. PM me if you are interested.

 

[Shilo]

Oh and by the way the French Pipe is the one that I pick up vanilla in. Really you can solve this by adding a drop or two of vanilla if its not exactly how you want it.