New to e cigs, looking for some advice!

[AdamCee]

Hiya,

So I brought my first vape a few weeks ago and got the Smok Osub Mini Kit, however I'm having a few problems which I think are to do with e-liquid. While I do want to experiment around I'm trying not to break the bank at the same time!

I started with Sluice juice 6mg which is 70/30, and as someone who is trying to quit smoking I didn't quite find it was enough to get the hit that would actually help. I took it one up to a 12mg 70/30 of the same brand, however I found it was really really burning my throat after about 2 hits. I'm not entirely sure if it's my vape or the juice, and I've tried to do a little research online but in all honesty I'm pretty much just as confused as I was before.

My first question is that the guy in the store I brought the kit from told me that there are certain liquids I should not buy as they aren't suitable for my kit - is this just a little bit of a marketing ploy so I get my liquid from them? If not, what do I actually need to be avoiding as he didn't really specify.

My second question, what will be the best way to remove the burning sensation, but also get the throat hit? From what I understand (but might be completely wrong), the burning/hit can vary between kits so the stuff I found online wasn't too much help. Does anyone have any suggestions? Should I change the VG/PG content or the nicotine???

Thanks for your help

 

[Eskie]

There are a few versions of the osub that come with different tanks. There 40 and 60W with a Helmet nano tank, and an 80W osub with another tank that takes baby beast coils (don't remember the tank name). Do you know which version you have?

 

[gandymarsh]

Welcome to ECF!

You've come to the right place.

In addition to Eskie's question, 70/30 VG/PG or 70/30 PG/VG?

What wattage are you using?
Are you using Temp Control?

 

[AdamCee]

I've got a Helmet Nano Tank, and I'm almost certain it's a 40W one. Is there any way to check?

The liquid was 70/30 VG/PG, and I honestly have no idea what Temp Control is, so not sure about that!

 

[Eskie]

OK, that sounds right. Did you start with the Sluice juice 6 mg then buy the same in 12 mg? The reason I ask is sometimes 12 is too much for some folks and 6 to too. If they are the same, you can mix them 50:50 and end up with a compromise of 9 mg. The other question is how high a wattage are you using? You probably do not need to have that running and the full 40W, and can work through things on lower power.

 

[Smoke_too_much]

Can you explain your comment about burning your throat. I'd describe strong nic as having a pepper after burn to it, is that what you mean? A dry hit is a burnt taste from the cotton wick being scorched and tastes terrible, is that it? Too much PG makes me cough with a strong hit to the back of my throat?

 

[BrotherBob]

Hiya,
So I brought my first vape a few weeks ago and got the Smok Osub Mini Kit, however I'm having a few problems which I think are to do with e-liquid. While I do want to experiment around I'm trying not to break the bank at the same time!
I started with Sluice Juice 6mg which is 70/30, and as someone who is trying to quit smoking I didn't quite find it was enough to get the hit that would actually help. I took it one up to a 12mg 70/30 of the same brand, however I found it was really really burning my throat after about 2 hits. I'm not entirely sure if it's my vape or the juice, and I've tried to do a little research online but in all honesty I'm pretty much just as confused as I was before.
My first question is that the guy in the store I brought the kit from told me that there are certain liquids I should not buy as they aren't suitable for my kit - is this just a little bit of a marketing ploy so I get my liquid from them? If not, what do I actually need to be avoiding as he didn't really specify.
My second question, what will be the best way to remove the burning sensation, but also get the throat hit? From what I understand (but might be completely wrong), the burning/hit can vary between kits so the stuff I found online wasn't too much help. Does anyone have any suggestions? Should I change the VG/PG content or the nicotine???
Thanks for your help

Welcome and glad you joined.
My second question, what will be the best way to remove the burning sensation:
Why is My Ejuice Harsh? (Beginner DIY Ejuice Tips)
6 Quick & Useful Vaping Tips for Beginners

"My first question is that the guy in the store I brought the kit from told me that there are certain liquids I should not buy as they aren't suitable for my kit" He is correct.

"Should I change the VG/PG content or the nicotine???" 70/30 is a good starting point. Sounds like you may be sensitive to too much PG. The strength of Nic can contribute to harshness. Sub - ohmr's are at 3mg or less typ..

That tank is way too advanced for a beginner. Sub ohm'g is an advanced way to vape and requires a through knowledge of vaping. All is not lost, your mod will adjust to most any tank out there including non sub ohm.
re: Learn About Vaping Here - Everything Ecigs - From Beginner To Advanced
Might like to read:
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Learn About Vaping Here - Everything Ecigs - From Beginner To Advanced
http://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/a...tte-college-guides-tutorials-information.html
One Stop Reference Shop For New and Experienced Vapers
Beginner – Guide To Vaping
May 2016 / Smoking Vapor
http://vapingcheap.com/vaping-101/
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...up-the-vaping-ladder-with-egos-and-mods.5058/
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...nk-or-what-a-guide-to-juice-attachments.3230/

 

[sofarsogood]

My opinion, long time smokers should start with a lower cost device that runs well at 8-10 watts and be using 12-18 mg nic and a minimal amount of flavoring. A beginner can't tolerate as much vaping and usually not higher temps either. The stores want you to use a high watt device and liquid with minimal nic so you buy more juice. Very low nic is indicataed if your interest is blowing big clouds or you don't need much nic. Otherwise you may be better off with higher nic and vaping fewer ml's and lower power.

If your first device noticably reduces daily cigs and if that is the result you wanted then you'll have the confidence to buy more expensive hardware, if needed, and you'll have some clue what to get.

 

[Nitro747]

Hiya,

So I brought my first vape a few weeks ago and got the Smok Osub Mini Kit, however I'm having a few problems which I think are to do with e-liquid. While I do want to experiment around I'm trying not to break the bank at the same time!

I started with Sluice Juice 6mg which is 70/30, and as someone who is trying to quit smoking I didn't quite find it was enough to get the hit that would actually help. I took it one up to a 12mg 70/30 of the same brand, however I found it was really really burning my throat after about 2 hits. I'm not entirely sure if it's my vape or the juice, and I've tried to do a little research online but in all honesty I'm pretty much just as confused as I was before.

My first question is that the guy in the store I brought the kit from told me that there are certain liquids I should not buy as they aren't suitable for my kit - is this just a little bit of a marketing ploy so I get my liquid from them? If not, what do I actually need to be avoiding as he didn't really specify.

My second question, what will be the best way to remove the burning sensation, but also get the throat hit? From what I understand (but might be completely wrong), the burning/hit can vary between kits so the stuff I found online wasn't too much help. Does anyone have any suggestions? Should I change the VG/PG content or the nicotine???

Thanks for your help

Hey! I had the exact same problem as you! You might go check on my thread that is on top here called "Vape smoke burning my insides!"

First of all, I think you might consider changing the coil and prime it correctly. To do that, you first need to put a couple of fluid drops inside the coil (that tiny hole that connects to the atomizer), then you start dropping on the little openings on the sides. Drop liquid there until you notice it is not absorbing as much. Then you must let it sit down for five minutes. After that, take two puffs with the vaper off, so that it will get more liquid soaked into the correct parts of the coil.

I was getting the same problem as you, but when I changed the coil (first one I burned, which gave horrible taste and burning sensation) everything started to work out. Then, after priming it, you'll need to lower the Wattage as low as possible and slowly work your way up until you find out what is best for you.

Another advice: the burning sensation will come for two reasons: first, you are not used to high levels of PG. Second, at least for me, the first 2 puffs always give me a bit of harsh throat hit and burning, but as I get used to it, I feel no burning at all!

Secondly, vaping will not provide you with the same "kick" as the first cig of the day gives you. I am using a full PG 12mg/ml liquid, which would be the equivalent of a normal cig and it definitely doesnt kick as hard as a cig. From my personal taste, I prefer the vaping kick because it is much more subtle and smooth, while the first cig of the day always kicked me so hard I would feel sleepy and slobby (one of the reasons I smoked, since I have insomnia and used the cigs to get myself high and with low hearth rate so that I could fall asleep easier). So the nicotine kick in vaping is much more smooth and subtle! it will come gradually and I'm sure you'll notice it after the first 4 or 5 puffs. Another reason for that is that the cig kick comes from the tar and another additives they put in (which also destroys our health).

So my advice is, start slowly, get used to vaping, and then you work your way up until you find the sweet spot! It took me 3 days of research and conversation in this forum to finally work my vape out!

PS: I am very new to vaping, started vaping this monday, got frustrated, found it terrible, but thanks to this forum's help and lots of research, I find it awesome since wednesday! Trust me that you will find a way out, keep on trying because for me vaping is almost like rocket science

 

[StinkyNoMoar]

Good luck in your search.

 

[djsvapour]

The man in store said "there are certain liquids I should not buy as they aren't suitable for my kit"...

In simple terms, that is TRUE except for one point he presumably 'forgot' to mention which is that nearly all decent liquids are more than 50% VG these days.

The only combination to avoid (i.m.o.) is high PG in a Sub-ohm a tank. It works but encourages leaking and is harsher to vape. I guess what I am trying to say is... you don't need to shop at specific shops to get 70% VG liquids they are more or less the normal ratio these days.

 

[AdamCee]

Thanks to everyone that replied! Much appreciated and I'm slowly starting to learn a little more. There's been so many replies I'll try and respond to them all in the space of one post...

- Eskie, I actually began with the 3mg Sluice juice which I found was nowhere near enough and a day later went straight to 6mg. I thought I could do with a little more after that and went with 12mg which I then found was too much. I was considering mixing, which was suggested by the guy in the store, but apparently my tank is too small to do that effectively (1.2ml I believe). In terms of wattage, I have absolutely no clue! I don't have the mod that has the variable wattage screen on it; OSUB Mini Kit - SMOK® Being with you for all great vaping time! this is the kit I brought and I wasn't aware I could even change it.

- Smoke_too_much, it's quite hard to describe but I would say the pepper after burn is probably the most accurate. It's a combination of a bad taste and a burn at the back of my throat. Unfortunately and annoyingly my 12mg was a different flavour (still Sluice Juice though) so I can't work out if I just didn't like the Skittles or if it was the nicotine/wick. I am relatively sure it was the latter, though.

- BrotherBob, this whole sub-ohm business is completely new to me and I had no idea that it had an effect. Thank you for them articles I'll get reading them asap.

-sofarsogood, I see, so would I be correct in assuming that a high wattage would cause a less experienced vaper to feel a burning effect? Unfortunately I'm no physicist, but would it also be correct to say the higher the ohms in the tank, the less the burn effect? Would this also affect the nicotine hit?

-Nitro747, thank you for that! As soon as I've used up the liquid in my tank at the moment, I'll give that a try.

-Djsvapour, Ahhh okay. Thank you for that, nice to have an actual explanation as to why I shouldn't be using certain e-liquids. That part was conveniently "forgotten" and I was a little suspicious haha


EDIT: I've just followed Nitro747's advice and used my spare Atomizer and primed it and I've noticed a MASSIVE difference in the taste and the smoothness of the vape. It's also producing much more of a cloud now so I assume that may have been part of the problem?? The one I had in to start was was a 0.6 ohm Atomizer, and my replacement was a 0.4 which, I believe, isn't ideal. Still though


EDIT 2: I brought some more Atomizers and noticed my old one was layered with something brown which didn't look overly appealing. I tried the 12mg juice again and it vapes fine with absolutely no burning, so I assume that's what the problem was.

Thank you to everyone that replied!!!

 

[Nitro747]

Thanks to everyone that replied! Much appreciated and I'm slowly starting to learn a little more. There's been so many replies I'll try and respond to them all in the space of one post...

- Eskie, I actually began with the 3mg Sluice juice which I found was nowhere near enough and a day later went straight to 6mg. I thought I could do with a little more after that and went with 12mg which I then found was too much. I was considering mixing, which was suggested by the guy in the store, but apparently my tank is too small to do that effectively (1.2ml I believe). In terms of wattage, I have absolutely no clue! I don't have the mod that has the variable wattage screen on it; OSUB Mini Kit - SMOK® Being with you for all great vaping time! this is the kit I brought and I wasn't aware I could even change it.

- Smoke_too_much, it's quite hard to describe but I would say the pepper after burn is probably the most accurate. It's a combination of a bad taste and a burn at the back of my throat. Unfortunately and annoyingly my 12mg was a different flavour (still Sluice Juice though) so I can't work out if I just didn't like the Skittles or if it was the nicotine/wick. I am relatively sure it was the latter, though.

- BrotherBob, this whole sub-ohm business is completely new to me and I had no idea that it had an effect. Thank you for them articles I'll get reading them asap.

-sofarsogood, I see, so would I be correct in assuming that a high wattage would cause a less experienced vaper to feel a burning effect? Unfortunately I'm no physicist, but would it also be correct to say the higher the ohms in the tank, the less the burn effect? Would this also affect the nicotine hit?

-Nitro747, thank you for that! As soon as I've used up the liquid in my tank at the moment, I'll give that a try.

-Djsvapour, Ahhh okay. Thank you for that, nice to have an actual explanation as to why I shouldn't be using certain e-liquids. That part was conveniently "forgotten" and I was a little suspicious haha


EDIT: I've just followed Nitro747's advice and used my spare Atomizer and primed it and I've noticed a MASSIVE difference in the taste and the smoothness of the vape. It's also producing much more of a cloud now so I assume that may have been part of the problem?? The one I had in to start was was a 0.6 ohm Atomizer, and my replacement was a 0.4 which, I believe, isn't ideal. Still though


EDIT 2: I brought some more Atomizers and noticed my old one was layered with something brown which didn't look overly appealing. I tried the 12mg juice again and it vapes fine with absolutely no burning, so I assume that's what the problem was.

Thank you to everyone that replied!!!

I believe when you write "atomizer" you mean "coil"?
I think that what happened to you was exactly what happened to me, you probably didn't primed the coil, making it burn the cotton and damaging it. When the coil is like this, you will feel the taste of something burnt and it will burn your insides. It also smells burned too. Also a .4ohm coil is kinda too much, I think .8 would be ideal or maybe even 1.2ohm for us beginners. And it is funny because what I told you was something what someone told me here in this forum and it was the advice which solved all my problems with my vape!

I'm glad you managed to fix it! If your kit is able to do it, try changing the wattage and the airflow until you find the sweet spot too!

 

[RosaJ]

The burning insides is called a dry hit which means that your coil is not wicking. Lower your watts and drop a few drops of ejuice down straight into the coil. Subohm vaping is for advanced users and it's a category of vaping all by itself. Good luck.

 

[David Wolf]

Thanks to everyone that replied! Much appreciated and I'm slowly starting to learn a little more. There's been so many replies I'll try and respond to them all in the space of one post...

- Eskie, I actually began with the 3mg Sluice juice which I found was nowhere near enough and a day later went straight to 6mg. I thought I could do with a little more after that and went with 12mg which I then found was too much. I was considering mixing, which was suggested by the guy in the store, but apparently my tank is too small to do that effectively (1.2ml I believe). In terms of wattage, I have absolutely no clue! I don't have the mod that has the variable wattage screen on it; OSUB Mini Kit - SMOK® Being with you for all great vaping time! this is the kit I brought and I wasn't aware I could even change it.

- Smoke_too_much, it's quite hard to describe but I would say the pepper after burn is probably the most accurate. It's a combination of a bad taste and a burn at the back of my throat. Unfortunately and annoyingly my 12mg was a different flavour (still Sluice Juice though) so I can't work out if I just didn't like the Skittles or if it was the nicotine/wick. I am relatively sure it was the latter, though.

- BrotherBob, this whole sub-ohm business is completely new to me and I had no idea that it had an effect. Thank you for them articles I'll get reading them asap.

-sofarsogood, I see, so would I be correct in assuming that a high wattage would cause a less experienced vaper to feel a burning effect? Unfortunately I'm no physicist, but would it also be correct to say the higher the ohms in the tank, the less the burn effect? Would this also affect the nicotine hit?

-Nitro747, thank you for that! As soon as I've used up the liquid in my tank at the moment, I'll give that a try.

-Djsvapour, Ahhh okay. Thank you for that, nice to have an actual explanation as to why I shouldn't be using certain e-liquids. That part was conveniently "forgotten" and I was a little suspicious haha


EDIT: I've just followed Nitro747's advice and used my spare Atomizer and primed it and I've noticed a MASSIVE difference in the taste and the smoothness of the vape. It's also producing much more of a cloud now so I assume that may have been part of the problem?? The one I had in to start was was a 0.6 ohm Atomizer, and my replacement was a 0.4 which, I believe, isn't ideal. Still though


EDIT 2: I brought some more Atomizers and noticed my old one was layered with something brown which didn't look overly appealing. I tried the 12mg juice again and it vapes fine with absolutely no burning, so I assume that's what the problem was.

Thank you to everyone that replied!!!

Glad you got that resolved. The brown layer is juice gunking the coil, when your vape starts tasting nasty and harsh it's time to replace the coil. I say "coil" because that's the common term used these days but it's really an atomizer when it's a stock replaceable unit that has the coil, wick, and coil housing in one unit. And if it's in a tank that's an atomizer tank but usually just called a tank.

 

[rbrookv]

I wouldn't recommend a setup like that for someone who is trying to quit smoking, sub ohming is something you normally upgrade to once you've been vaping a while. I first started out on a eleaf istick basic. Now as for your mg dosage on that I think it also depends on how many analogs you used to smoke a day. Like me for instance I used to smoke around 10-12 cigs a day and I am fairly happy with my nic being at 10 mg. Just get a starter kit like I mentioned and try a few nic levels in that and find what's comfortable for you.