New to rebuildables - first dual coil build knocked me on my .... - help?

[Squidward]

I'll happily grant that I don't know the first thing about building coils. Last week I decided to move up from Kanger clearos and purchased an EHPRO kayfun Lite+ v2 clone and an Steam Crave Aromamizer Supreme.

I found a helpful video on building the single-coil Kayfun and wound up with a decent vape wrapping .28 gauge Kanthal 11 times around a 3/32 drill bit (meter reads 1.56 Ohms) and wicking it with drugstore cotton. My e-liquid contains 6mg/ml nicotine.

I wanted to try a build on the dual-coil Aromamizer last night, but couldn't find a how-to that matched up with the .28 gauge wire I had on hand, so I just kinda flew by the seat of my pants and did 7 wraps around a 7/64 drill bit (meter read .7 Ohms) and wicked it with the same drugstore cotton. Loaded it with the same 6mg/ml nicotine liquid and hit it a couple times and it was freaking awful - it hit like a dream, but I was dizzy for a half hour!

So, was my build so far off base that the build alone would account for the bad experience? I've been warned about the increase in nicotine uptake on duals, and it did feel like a heavy nicotine buzz, but I'd be really surprised if 12mg/ml would hit me like that. The 7/62 drill bit I wrapped on was pretty big, so maybe I over-wicked it? And I wasn't really going for a sub-ohm build but that's apparently what I wound up with.

At the moment, I'm thinking of blowing off the Aromamizer Supreme. My single-coil Kayfun clone is absolutely fine for me and I'm not really looking to amp up my habit, but I'd be willing to try another build on the Aromamizer if you guys think a different build would give me a drastically different experience.

 

[thomas l]

i don't have the Aromamizer Supreme but i do have a few rta . i usually 2.5mm and 3mm around .3 to .4 . little different then what i think your looking for maybe this would help.

Coil wrapping

 

[Squidward]

i don't have the Aromamizer Supreme but i do have a few rta . i usually 2.5mm and 3mm around .3 to .4 . little different then what i think your looking for maybe this would help.

Coil wrapping

That's extremely helpful, thank you. The calculator leads me to believe my build was at least somewhat valid... Maybe I'll use the calc and try a build that matches the 1.7 I'm accustomed to, maybe with a smaller diameter wrap and less wick, and see how that feels.

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

The Aromamizer Supreme is to the Kayfun as a Mac Truck is to a Volkswagon Beetle. I think you might find you're better off with another single coil tank - I can highly recommend the Kanger Subtank Mini with RBA deck as a great starter kit - and a lower nic e-liquid and moving on to the Aromamizer a little slower...

To get a 1.5 Ohm build using 28 gauge, you'll need roughly 15 wraps per coil on a 3 mm drill bit. That's a lot of wire, and would require a bit of a ramp up. I further think that you might have leaking issues...

Good luck.

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

I shoulda mentioned a couple dual coil starters, just in case it was the dual coil experience you were looking for...

The Billow V1 or 2
The Fogger 4.1 (can be a bit twitchy to build)
The Orchid V2 (can also be twitchy)
The Aqua V2 (Can be used as an RTA or RDA... kinda a cool little setup and way before its time)
Almost any modern UD tanks (Goliath V1 or 2, Zephyrus V1 or 2, Goblin V1 or Mini)
OBS Crius
Cthulhu V1 or 2
The original Aromamizer

All of these can be built a little higher and dialed down a little...

 

[Squidward]

The Aromamizer Supreme is to the Kayfun as a Mac Truck is to a Volkswagon Beetle. I think you might find you're better off with another single coil tank - I can highly recommend the Kanger Subtank Mini with RBA deck as a great starter kit - and a lower nic e-liquid and moving on to the Aromamizer a little slower...

To get a 1.5 Ohm build using 28 gauge, you'll need roughly 15 wraps per coil on a 3 mm drill bit. That's a lot of wire, and would require a bit of a ramp up. I further think that you might have leaking issues...

Good luck.

I shoulda mentioned a couple dual coil starters, just in case it was the dual coil experience you were looking for...

The Billow V1 or 2
The Fogger 4.1 (can be a bit twitchy to build)
The Orchid V2 (can also be twitchy)
The Aqua V2 (Can be used as an RTA or RDA... kinda a cool little setup and way before its time)
Almost any modern UD tanks (Goliath V1 or 2, Zephyrus V1 or 2, Goblin V1 or Mini)
OBS Crius
Cthulhu V1 or 2
The original Aromamizer

All of these can be built a little higher and dialed down a little...

I appreciate that, Shawn. The Aromamizer was recommended as a good first rebuildable and seconded by another member so I figured it was something I needed to take a look at. I think it's definitely more atty than I want, though, so I'll probably just try and unload it somewhere.

As far as the single coil units go, I'm quite pleased with the Kayfun clones so I think I'll stick with those for now.

Thanks for your response.

 

[ismokeinbinary]

Drop the Nic level on your juice and the Supreme won't be so intense. I use 1.5mg but maybe 3mg would be more up your alley. Good luck. The Supreme is an amazing tank, also you COULD build a single coil in it. Either way, just get some more practice and you'll be enjoying your options.

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

I appreciate that, Shawn. The Aromamizer was recommended as a good first rebuildable and seconded by another member so I figured it was something I needed to take a look at. I think it's definitely more atty than I want, though, so I'll probably just try and unload it somewhere.

As far as the single coil units go, I'm quite pleased with the Kayfun clones so I think I'll stick with those for now.

Thanks for your response.

The Aromamizer is an extraordinarily good RTA to learn to build coils on. That Velocity deck and all that room... But it's just not geared towards folks just coming into sub ohm vaping. It's a beast! I would hold on to it, though... you might wish you had it later on.

Unless, of course, you were just gonna pass it along to a helpful sort... y'know... on the forums... one that, maybe, has a habit of comparing atomizers to vehicles

 

[darknecrotic]

They're two totally different animals. This really puts how much things have changed in perspective. I remember when I moved from a ego clearo to a KFL+ I was still using 18mg and the kayfun destroyed me. I loved it though.

 

[KenD]

I'll happily grant that I don't know the first thing about building coils. Last week I decided to move up from Kanger clearos and purchased an EHPRO Kayfun Lite+ v2 clone and an Steam Crave Aromamizer Supreme.

I found a helpful video on building the single-coil Kayfun and wound up with a decent vape wrapping .28 gauge Kanthal 11 times around a 3/32 drill bit (meter reads 1.56 Ohms) and wicking it with drugstore cotton. My E-liquid contains 6mg/ml nicotine.

I wanted to try a build on the dual-coil Aromamizer last night, but couldn't find a how-to that matched up with the .28 gauge wire I had on hand, so I just kinda flew by the seat of my pants and did 7 wraps around a 7/64 drill bit (meter read .7 Ohms) and wicked it with the same drugstore cotton. Loaded it with the same 6mg/ml nicotine liquid and hit it a couple times and it was freaking awful - it hit like a dream, but I was dizzy for a half hour!

So, was my build so far off base that the build alone would account for the bad experience? I've been warned about the increase in nicotine uptake on duals, and it did feel like a heavy nicotine buzz, but I'd be really surprised if 12mg/ml would hit me like that. The 7/62 drill bit I wrapped on was pretty big, so maybe I over-wicked it? And I wasn't really going for a sub-ohm build but that's apparently what I wound up with.

At the moment, I'm thinking of blowing off the Aromamizer Supreme. My single-coil Kayfun clone is absolutely fine for me and I'm not really looking to amp up my habit, but I'd be willing to try another build on the Aromamizer if you guys think a different build would give me a drastically different experience.

Atties like the Aromamizer Supreme will give out insane amounts of vapor, which means a lot of nicotine as well. You'll need to decrease your nicotine level, no more than 3 mg I'd say (I use .5 mg, but for most people that wouldn't be enough).

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[Squidward]

Thanks again, guys, but I'm just going to get rid of the Aromamizer - it's just the wrong tank for me.

 

[Squidward]

Unless, of course, you were just gonna pass it along to a helpful sort... y'know... on the forums... one that, maybe, has a habit of comparing atomizers to vehicles

Cute. Sorry man, wish I could just hand it over, but I need to try and get back at least some of the $55 I spend on the darned thing. I'll probably post it in the classified forum in a few days.

 

[3mg Meniere]

I invested in Orchids because the price was right. I have attempted duals in them, but never got anything satisfactory. Now I think I could, but too happy with tootle-puffing (I get nic-sick very easily). I don't know about the Aromatizer, but I split the wickends and lead half the wicking into the unused side.

I recently got gifted with three Ehpro Kayfuns, and am so much happier. I am retooling the rest of my Orchids into Kayfuns at $5.66 each. A gradual process.

The point is, that even though it is set up for duals, you can do it as single-coil. Then, if you decide to go subohm (which I never will), you already something that will work for you.

I get tired of people who are deep into subohm recommending their favorite gear for people who are looking for an initial RTA experience.

 

[KenD]

Thanks again, guys, but I'm just going to get rid of the Aromamizer - it's just the wrong tank for me.

Kinda guessed that based on your pre-rebuildable vaping habits. Warned you as well, I think, but too late :-/ In any case, the experience was probably helpful anyway.

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[KenD]

I get tired of people who are deep into subohm recommending their favorite gear for people who are looking for an initial RTA experience.

I agree - except in this day and age of high power vw mods "high wattage vapers" is a more apt description than "subohm vapers". Subohm builds can be run at lower wattages and high ohm builds at higher wattages, if one chooses to do so. The recommendations for an Aromamizer Supreme was a bad one.

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[Squidward]

I get tired of people who are deep into subohm recommending their favorite gear for people who are looking for an initial RTA experience.

That recommendation was made in another thread and while another member seconded it, an equal number of members did say it was to much atty for a newbie. I was curious about dual & sub-ohms anyway so I went ahead and got it and I'm glad I did, but it's just too much.

I tootle-puff also, and pretty much chain-vape, so I don't see myself ever wanting to go sub-ohm either, and don't really see the point in trying to choke it back with a single coil and lighter wicking. I'll make somebody a decent price on it and let someone have it who can appreciate it.

The EHPRO Kayfun clones give me an outstanding vape, they're easy to build on, don't drink gallons of juice and run very well at low wattages, and the $5 price tag is amazing, even with Fluid Vapes tacking on another $4 shipping.

 

[Squidward]

Kinda guessed that based on your pre-rebuildable vaping habits. Warned you as well, I think, but too late :-/ In any case, the experience was probably helpful anyway.

Laughing... yeah, I know you did and I believed you, but just wanted to satisfy my curiosity. As you say, it was a helpful experience.

 

[3mg Meniere]

The EHPRO Kayfun clones give me an outstanding vape, they're easy to build on, don't drink gallons of juice and run very well at low wattages, and the $5 price tag is amazing, even with Fluid Vapes tacking on another $4 shipping.

Free shipping for chimneys and bases from FT to retrofit my Orchid tanks and topcaps. Five sets for $29, five of the whole Kayfuns from Fluid vapes would have cost $39 with s&h. Thanks, however, for telling me where my friend got the gift for me.

Yes, I prefer 1.5 to 1.7 Ω and low watts.

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

I get tired of people who are deep into subohm recommending their favorite gear for people who are looking for an initial RTA experience.

Yup. As a reviewer I switch-hit. Got my beasts for myself, and my MTL tanks for travelling with The Wife or at home (The Wife does not approve of rooms filled with haze, no matter how sweet smelling).

Stepdot vapes almost exclusively on Aromamizers I build to .4 for her.

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[javyn]

cmayo I'm sorry someone recommended you get that ridiculous Aromamizer. The dual post design adds considerable height to the deck, making for a larger chamber. Only having 28g wire is going to make your experience even worse with it.

If you want a dual coil atty to start out on get an Orchid! It's just like the Kayfun but air holes for 2 coils instead of just one and a slightly larger chamber.

I think of my Kayfuns as cigarette replacements, and a dual coil setup in my Orchid as my at home cigar. You will still need to cut your nic level using any dual coil setup I think though to keep your head from swimming.

From Fasttech I assembled a great setup that vapes like a dream.....Orchid base, Kayfun 4 chamber, a standard bell cap, and a Derringer drip tip. Together cost me a little over 10 bucks and rocks my socks off.

Or, you can sell that Aromamizer and apply that money to a ton of accessories to improve your Kayfun experience if you're perfectly happy with a single coil. Kayfill tool, bell caps and top fill caps of all colors, slam caps, base/chamber/chimney replacements...the world's your oyster with a KF.

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