New to Vaping and i need a little help

[perznperversion]

Hey everyone! Im an avid smoker... i LOVE to smoke. I love how it relaxes me and how social it is. I started from hookah and i progressed to cigarettes because it was just a hell of a lot easier to set up. I learned everything there was to know about hookah from a forum of course. So i'm finally wanting to transition to E cigarettes because it looks to be the best of both worlds.. Easy to set up its compact and its flavored. I really dislike the taste of cigarettes to be honest even though i do smoke a pack a day. I always have to have a drink on the side to counter act the awful taste >_>. Plus id like to stay away from all the tar from both hookah and cigs. As you can tell im new to vaping and ive been browsing the forums for about a week trying to figure out what i should buy. I think im gonna go the cartomizer route. This is what ive chosen so far:

510 Riva carto deluxe or the dual coil(havent made up my mind yet and i was wondering what the difference was between the SE and the regular model) - Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 510

Ce2 Deluxe - FLüXomizer™ 510 Clearomizer : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

GV Sapphire - GV Sapphire 2.0 Cartomizer : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

Ive heard a lot of good things about the cartomizers i posted so thats why im going that route. I was also thinking of getting the VV riva batt from liberty flights but im really confused about voltages and ohms. It seems like i could experiment more with a VV riva battery. I dont exactly know which ohm cartomizers i should get or if a certain ohm will damage my batteries. Heres what im looking for. Lots of smoky vapor and good flavor. It seems like everyone is about throat hit here but i dont want to be coughing really Im also concerned about how tight the draw is. I dont really want it to be any harder to draw than a cigarette is. Lastly does anyone have any recommendations of any of the juices from liberty flights or got vapes? im gonna be shopping from both so i dont really want to go to a third online merchant for it. Thanks for everyones time and it would be greatly appreciated if i could get some help.

 

[Maximillian]

Heyas Perzn,

Welcome to the ecf!

I've dealt with liberty flights several times now and found them to have very prompt shipping. And they have some of the best prices I've seen. The riva carto deluxe kit always seemed like a great deal, although I've never ordered one. Haven't tried a riva either, but they're very highly spoken of here, so I doubt you'd be disappointed.

Personally, I prefer single coil LR cartos on my ego (yes, a bit lower voltage) but that's just my preference. Didn't know they were selling vv riva batts now. Had to pop over to LF and take a look. I have a vv passthrough with the same setup though. Works well, and it's nice to be able to get a bit more kick out of one device. But then, you'd be buying a starter kit + the cost of batts, + juice, +etc.

If you do go with the riva carto deluxe kit, remember that you'll need a usb wall tap. And whatever you get, don't forget the juice. You might want to consider a variety of small bottles (3ml - 10ml) of different flavors on the juice.

Also, with the carto kit, it might be a good idea to pick up an atty or two and a couple driptips. atty+driptip is great for trying out the different flavors of juice with minimal cleanup in between flavors, and that way you don't end up filling a carto with some nasty flavor that you're never gonna get out of the carto.


Hope this helps,
Maximillian the Moderately Mischievious

 

[dormouse]

You want atomizers and cartomizers. Cartomizers are expendables - they have limited lives. I can get 10 days use out of a Boge cartomizer using near-perfect thin light clear juices. Use a drip tip on an atomizer to test juices - never put an untested juice in a cartomizer. I also use atomizers to vape occasional juices and ones that are thicker than I will put in cartomizers. Buy some standard cartos like Boge too for something reliable while you are playing with clear ones that may need mods, can crack etc.

Riva 510 SE has a silver colored collar, was the first Riva 510 to be 3.7v (now all of Liberty-Flights.com Riva 10 kits are 3.7v because they are new stock from the manufacturer that makes the 3.7v ones). One color of Riva 510 SE kits was recently listed as having a new 3-click enable/disable added (would make it safer to pocket).

 

[perznperversion]

Thanks everyone! Ill definitely pick up a few atomizers now! Do i need to be careful about the ohms when i pick out a cartomizer? Im still confused about that part.

 

[mynameisrob]

I think you should consider the E-Power 14650. Its a 3.7V likethe Riva but uses non-proprietary batteries instead. E-Power batteries cost $4 compared to Riva/eGo batteries that are $14-20. Plus everything is replaceable so it keeps costs down.

Read this about the E-Power : http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/standard-e-cigarette-reviews/233335-anyone-considering-buying-e-power-14650-read.html

It will give you some ideas why you might like the E-Power more, and also where to buy it etc.

Also, read one of the last comments I wrote in that thread. About an hr ago a lady asked about cartomizers and I explained some of the stuff like ohms/ resistances, etc. Theres a lot more info you can fnd on here, but It will at least give you an idea about it.
In the post I was referring to the E-Power, but the Riva is also a 3.7V and uses a 510 connection so it applies to the Riva as well

 

[Maximillian]

Do i need to be careful about the ohms when i pick out a cartomizer? Im still confused about that part.

If you go with a fat batt model like the ego or riva, LR cartos shouldn't be a problem. I regularly use 2.0Ω and 1.7Ω single coils on my ego batts with no apparent ill effects yet. I've also used 1.5Ω with no apparent damage to the batts, but didn't care for their performance on an ego batt. Also, anything higher than 3.0Ω single coil and you're probably not gonna get much if any vapor.

The only carto's I've seen that I'm leery of trying on my ego batts are the new 1.25Ω dual coils. I don't know that they'd damage them, but I'm just leery until I hear from a few ppl that they work without damaging the batts.

With cartos/atties, the lower the Ω's the more/warmer vapor.


Hope this helps,
Maximillian the Vaguely Disreputable

 

[dormouse]

But an Ego is lower voltage than the Riva 510. The Riva 510 is 3.7v and higher right off the charger. Ego is 3.4v (switched between 3.2 and 3.6).

Some people will go down to 2 ohms on enclosed mass-produced batteries like Ego and Riva, some will go down to 1.7ohm. Some will go down to 1.5 ohm, but some will only go that low on a mod. Mods have removable industrial protected lithium ion batteries or safe chemistry batteries that come out the way a flashlight's batteries come out. One guy recently melted 2 Ego batteries using 1.5 ohm atomizers on them.

 

[sonicdsl]

Thanks everyone! Ill definitely pick up a few atomizers now! Do i need to be careful about the ohms when i pick out a cartomizer? Im still confused about that part.

I certainly understand your confusion, not being an electrician or engineer myself This page here FAQ: What are these HV and LR attys? Do I need them? Are they safe to use? | Vaping Guides to the Electronic Cigarette helped me tremendously in understanding this, and I refer to it on occasion still when I forget the formula.

The rest of this site is an excellent guide as well - skim through it and ask questions. That's what I did, and I ended up with the Go-Go as it's 1300 mah, lasts 1-2 days, and the cartos also hold about 3 ml of liquid. With a Go-Go to 510 adapter, you can use any of the 510 attys and cartos mentioned by others. I have found that the Boges and 1.7 ohm Resurrectors really pop on the Go-Go battery, much better than my ePower. It's an amazing combo, IMHO.

You can find the Go-Go kit here, in many different colors (I have black and s/s blue!): The Go-go is one of the finest electronic cigarettes on the market today.
and the adapters here: Adapter - Go-go battery to 510
Resurrector 15-pack deal here: Crystal Clear Vaping (this is the 15 carto deal, includes syringe & drip tip of your choice, also includes shipping! Amazing prices!)
Resurrector 5 pack here: Crystal Clear Vaping (includes syringe & shipping)
Boges 15-pack deal here: Crystal Clear Vaping (same deal; he's out of stock atm, but just posted they are due in later today; also has the 5-pack only available)

As far as liquids, tons of great vendors, get the smallest bottles you can to find the one(s) you like. I've got too many to mention, but see my signature below for my top go-to's.

Good luck on your journey & welcome to ECF!

 

[Credo]

Ce2 Deluxe - FLüXomizer™ 510 Clearomizer : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

Nice cartos with good flavor. They have a mild to moderate throat hit (depending on your liquid/nic level) and the flavor is quite good. They can easily last for weeks before needing replacement. They can be taken apart and cleaned easily if you decide to change flavors in them. The draw back to these is that they can be a little 'fiddly' to fill. You'll probably want a syringe, or needle tip bottle. The needle is 'required' if you use them straight out of the box; however, it is popular to mod them slightly at first so they work a little better and so they are a little easier to fill.

Two or three of the XL sized ones filled can usually get me through a day. I can fill a fist full in less time than it takes me to make a pot of coffee.

This same vendor also has the Vision Extreme carto in a wide variety of sizes, which is similar, but requires NO extra tools to fill and use. To me the visions vape better right out of the box than the Fluxos, but they also cost a little bit more. I like the Vison Extreme Giant for all day vaping on long car trips One fill in the Giant will almost get me through a whole day before I need to top it (I nurse mine constantly, around 4ml of liquid a day).

Both the Fluxomizer and the Vision have a loose easy draw. As compared to poly-fill cartomizers, it has a slightly wetter feel to me, which I like as it's a little smoother to me.

For the eGo battery I recommend get lower resistance variants of these cartos.
For the Riva, you might want to try the middle resistance range, or mix them up a bit and try things from 2.4 Ohms up to just under 3 Ohms.

As a side note, lower resistance cartos/atties mean the vape will be a little warmer, slightly more juice will be vaporized with each burn, and the batteries might drain a tiny bit faster. In turn, you can probably take 'shorter hits' to accomplish your goal.

GV Sapphire - GV Sapphire 2.0 Cartomizer : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

These are really easy to use as well. I like them, but they are quite different from the Fluxomizers. I'm vaping on one right now and so far I find it quite good. It has a mild to moderate throat hit and very good flavor. The draw is tighter than with the Fluxomizer or Vision. It's easy enough to use (one small plug that you pull out with your fingers to fill). These will also usually last several weeks easily. These also have a more 'wet' feel to the vape than a poly-fill type cartomizer to me.

On the eGo or Riva, I'd personally go with the lower resistance ones for the Sapphire Bud.

I use all of these and more almost daily.
I also use standard poly-fill cartos and other atomizer types when I am in a mood or have a liquid better suited to a 'dryer' feeling vapor with a little more throat kick to it.

 

[Mooninmyeyes]

alot of it can be personal preference i found. i myself do not like cartomzers. yes you can refill them with a syringe but i find the taste is not that good. but other like them. my favorite is the ego passthrough,,you can use while it is charging and unplug the battery and go. i use atomizers. i have regular one for cartridges which is easy to restuff when the stuffing gets bad and has been refilled alot. i also have cone atty tank. i like both. i also keep a 510 reg atty for direct dripping. i like do that in the morning. a lot start with basic joye 510 kits -510 connections fit alot of things. but i preferre ego battery. also manual batteries i find better =last longer inbetween charges. i know its hard when you get started -alot people get stuck with mall e cigs and get discouraged. i urge people to do research and this forum has alot of information that will help you. e cigs is the way to go to save your lungs. good luck and hope this will help

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Yes I agree. Make sure you get manual batts. Less chance of damage from juice and far more control over your Vaping experience. Also some have experienced with auto batts going off if loud sounds occur.

 

[whatitstrue]

One color of Riva 510 SE kits was recently listed as having a new 3-click enable/disable added (would make it safer to pocket).

I think all the new ones are like that, Not sure though. But I bought a Standard black Riva Lite kit almost 2 months ago and about a week and a half ago I accidently discovered mine had the 3 click off 3 click on switch. Nothing was discribed on the site for that feature at the time. But I'm not complaining.

 

[perznperversion]

thank you all so much! This is definitely an awesome and very helpful forum!! so this is what i ordered.

Riva 510 Black Riva 510 kit - Carto Deluxe
2-EM Riva 510 Black EM 510 - Single(atty)
1 ea. GotVapes PumpCart 1.5ml Smokey Clear Cart for 510 Attys - 4 Pack
1 ea. Sapphire 2.0 Bud Atomizer 1.5ml Tank System 510 2.2-2.4ohm -2 PK
1 ea. GotVapes VISION EXTREME MINI 2.5ml 510 Carto 2.8ohm 1 Piece
1 ea. GotVapes FLuXomizer™ DeLuXe CLEAR SMOKEY 510 XL 1.8ml 2.4-2.6ohm
E Liquid 5ML - PG - Others Menthol - Low - 8MG
E Liquid 5ML - VG - Others VG Caramel - Low - 8MG
E Liquid 5ML - VG - Others VG Grape - Zero - 0MG
E Liquid 5ML - VG - Others VG Spearmint - Low - 8MG
E Liquid 10ML - USA - Others Apple Pie 12mg
E Liquid 10ML - USA - Others Cappuccino 12mg
E Liquid 10ML - USA - Others Green Apple 0mg

And as you can tell im trying to wane myself off of nicotine. Im a big guy and its definitely not going to help my heart so im hoping i can slowly go down till i dont crave it at all. But thanks again everyone! ill report back once i get receive my order to explain my experience

 

[dormouse]

You need a drip tip so you can test juices on the atomizer (and 1-2 atomizers if you did not get atomizers). Never put untested juices in cartomizers. And those VG juices are unlikely to work well in cartomizers - VG is too thick for most cartomizers) so you need and atomizer and and drip tip (or cartridges for those). You may be able to thin them a bit with distilled water but it's tough to make thick liquids work in cartos.

You got some fairly exotic cartos. I recommend some plain Boge 510 cartomizers too.

 

[mynameisrob]

I agree with Dormouse. I was thinking the same thing that you got a lot of high-tech type cartos but didnt know how to word it. I like "exotic" cartos dormouse.

I would def recommend you also get some regular cartos like the Boges or the Ressurectors. Personally I would get the Ressurectors. They are about the same price as the Boges and I like them alot better. They hold 2ml ofjuice and produce vapor like a dual coil, but they are a single coil. I would get them in Black or Stainless. Dont get the clear ones.
The clear ones tend to crack and leak. That was one thing I noticed also. You got a bunch of clear cartos. Normally I find that they leak alot more than the metal ones. They are much more fragile. I would def get some good plain cartos like the Boges or Ressurectors

 

[Credo]

You need a drip tip so you can test juices on the atomizer (and 1-2 atomizers if you did not get atomizers). Never put untested juices in cartomizers. And those VG juices are unlikely to work well in cartomizers - VG is too thick for most cartomizers) so you need and atomizer and and drip tip (or cartridges for those). You may be able to thin them a bit with distilled water but it's tough to make thick liquids work in cartos.

You got some fairly exotic cartos. I recommend some plain Boge 510 cartomizers too.

The Sapphires and Vision, you can fill and start vaping within' 2 minutes of charging your first battery These two are by far the easiest/fastest cartos in the entire industry to fill and use.

Only major thing I don't see that you might want to get going is either a syringe or some needle tip bottles. Fluxos are harder to fill without them unless you mod them first (plenty of videos on here to show how).

Agreed, a drip tip would be nice, but I'm pretty sure the Fluxomizer Deluxe comes with one 510/808 drip tip per box of 5 cartos!

If I'm 'wrong' about the drip tips coming with the Fluxos: In the meantime you can use those pump carts to test smaller amounts of stuff. I see you ordered a 2-EM Riva 510 Black EM 510 - Single(atty) to try them with...so all's good for trying these. The 2-EM kit is also probably going to come with some plain cartridges to try out as well.

Carts & Atty:
Prime the atty by putting a few drops of liquid on the bridge, do a few quick 2 second burns without drawing air, add a couple more drops to the bridge, then pop the full (or partially full if just testing) cart in the atty. That'll do you until you put in another order and pick up a drip tip (if they don't come with the CE2)

With the fluxomizers, you can test liquids without filling them (drip tip recommended). Just drip about 3 drops right on the top coils and you'll get a few hits from that.

If the thicker liquids give you any problems with the Fluxomizers or Visions...there are many easy fixes to get them working. Just ask here on the forums. The most common is to simply 'tip the PV' upside down for about 3 seconds, tip it back over, and vape on.

I agree with dormouse that having some regular Boge type cartos on hand to try at some point in the future will be good, but you should be all set for MONTHS on cartos. I do belive that Riva Carto Delux kit comes with either some regular Boge type cartos...so you should be all set

Focus on liquids for a while Liquids to try is really all you'll need for a while yet

 

[Credo]

That was one thing I noticed also. You got a bunch of clear cartos. Normally I find that they leak alot more than the metal ones. They are much more fragile.

Not anymore...the newer plastic formula is a whole different animal. It's not polycarbonate stuff (like used to make sun glasses lenses) anymore like the old Clearomizers, now it is more like the plastic used in medical syringes. Same for the Visions and the Sapphires. The new stuff can take really high temperatures, and high PH liquids like super sour apple and atomic cinnamon too. I assure you, the new stuff is NOT going to crack and leak on you.

The only thing about the Fluxomizer CE2 Deluxe that hasn't been totally redesigned is the E2 engine in the middle, and even that has some slight changes.

If you have a really thick liquid, just pull all the caps and plugs from the top of the Fluxo. Fluff the wicks up some so their edges cover the slots in the ceramic bowl and keep the modded carto from leaking (there are many videos here on ECF to show you how). Finally, you only put the smaller top ring back in upside down, and your mouthpiece or drip tip. That's it, you only have to do it ONCE at first fill.

New Fluxo Deluxes do come with a tip of some sort in the box, not sure if it is a 'Drip Tip' or a 'Whistle Tip' in the latest production run. I'm pretty sure it is a stock 510 drip tip

With an order that large, they might even throw in some of the Vison 'conversion plug' kits to try with the Fluxos

 

[perznperversion]

Ya, i had realized that i forgot to order a drip tip after i was overlooking the list of things that i had ordered lol. I messaged gotvapes about adding it to my order and just charging my credit card. If he cant do that its no big deal ill just have to order it by itself or maybe i can find some in a local smoke shop. Though I did get a syringe, i just didnt post it. The riva kit comes with some generic cartomizers so hopefully they're decent. i only went a few bucks over my limit so all in all im happy with all that im getting

Hopefully i can get these thick vg juices to work. i believe the 10ml bottles are pg based though. so hopefully ill be able to figure it all out. if not ill just search through some threads to try to figure it out.

PS you guys rock! im learning so much

 

[mynameisrob]

If you want to order just a drip tip and don't want to pay for shipping also, since the shipping would prob be more than the drip tip, go th Crystal Clear Vaping. They have free shipping and a lot of different drip tips. Their also the ones that sell the Ressurector cartos so I'd maybe get some of them if you'd like to try them.

Also, I know you might not want to since you haven't tried them yet, but if you get a 15-pack of cartos from CCV you get a free syringe AND a free drip tip. I would get the 15 pack of Ressurectors bc they are awesome but they also have the boges if you'd rather get them. Then you won't have to buy a drip tip cause you'll get one for free!

 

[Credo]

Ya, i had realized that i forgot to order a drip tip after i was overlooking the list of things that i had ordered lol. I messaged gotvapes about adding it to my order and just charging my credit card. If he cant do that its no big deal ill just have to order it by itself or maybe i can find some in a local smoke shop. Though I did get a syringe, i just didnt post it. The riva kit comes with some generic cartomizers so hopefully they're decent. i only went a few bucks over my limit so all in all im happy with all that im getting

Hopefully i can get these thick vg juices to work. i believe the 10ml bottles are pg based though. so hopefully ill be able to figure it all out. if not ill just search through some threads to try to figure it out.

PS you guys rock! im learning so much

I think the Fluxos come with one drip tip per box of 5. Just click this link below and use the private message system to ask Bad (Chris) if it does. If not, I'm sure he'll adjust your order with a drip tip if it hasn't already shipped.
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