New to vaping, and want an RBA. What do i do?

[Alchapwn]

Ok, let me start by saying that I'm pretty new to vaping (~2 weeks.) I am looking to order my VAMO like...today. The kit doesn't come with a topper so i want to get a carto tank but I also want to get an RBA. I've done my research enough to know that if I want to use an RBA on a VV mod, I somehow need to keep the ohms higher so they actually fire without error. This is where I found out about "microcoils". With my working knowledge of how wiring/current works, I actually was brainstorming this before I ever found it.

Here's where I'm at:
Vamo as my PV of choice right now
Carto tank...simple enough to choose
Smoktech RSST...i like its features

My Question(s):
All my research on microcoils has involved them being used on silica or some other cloth-like wick. I haven't found any specific instance of it being used on stainless steel mesh.
1. Is it safe to have a microcoil setup on stainless? Or will the metal somehow react with the ohm load?
2. If not, would it be possible to just use silica wick on the RSST and have it vape fine?

 

[Broodwich]

I'm not sure what the microcoil term means but you can get some metal mesh, and 28 gauge kanthal wire to go with your RSST and you'll have everything you need to get it going. You'll just need to do 4 or 5 wraps to get the ohms high enough to fire on the VAMO.

Here's a video of how to wrap a coil; it's not an RSST but it's the same idea.

 

[Alchapwn]

Micro coil is a term loosely referring to the act of wrapping a wick with the coils so "pinched" that they are actually touching. Not wrapping them tight around the wick, but more so, bunching them together.

 

[AttyPops]

Well, I suggest that you:

1) Get some stock stuff so you have something to vape as you mess around with stuff.
2) Get a multi-meter too if you don't have one already.
3) Micro-shmicro...make a 2.0 ohm coil using 32, 34 ga kanthal A1 and vape it. With mesh, or silica rope, or cotton, or......whatever. Standard spacing.
4) Try micro coils.

 

[AttyPops]

Oh, and (well, it depends on the RBA but) stay away for 28 ga stuff for now too. Or order it but don't use it at 1st. Too low a resistance until you get experience wrapping.

you question about mesh indicates that your understanding is incomplete. No offense. But get some experience with "normal ranges" first, IMHO.

 

[Alchapwn]

Thanks for the quick replies you guys! So you think the VAMO will be able to work without messing with that micro coil mess? That's great!
Your suggestion to "try" micro coils...I feel like there's more to it. Do you mean attempt to make them once i get better at wrapping? Or try them in a sense of flavor/vapor production?
I get the overall impression that the majority of people don't mess with them, or, now especially, that you can do the exact same thing with thicker wire and less wraps

 

[AttyPops]

Look, basically there are just "coils". Of varying sizes.

Micro-coil is more or less a small diameter coil with lots of wraps as compared to a larger (and easier to work with) diameter coil with fewer wraps.

Coils are coils. But not all coils are alike, or vape the same.

Basically, wrap some coils the "big" way before you get out the microscope and mess with threading that micro-coil.

But, as they say, "It's all good."

Note: THINNER wire and less wraps. Thicker wire = lower resistance = need more wraps to get X.X ohms.

 

[vapo jam]

Thanks for the quick replies you guys! So you think the VAMO will be able to work without messing with that micro coil mess? That's great!
Your suggestion to "try" micro coils...I feel like there's more to it. Do you mean attempt to make them once i get better at wrapping? Or try them in a sense of flavor/vapor production?
I get the overall impression that the majority of people don't mess with them, or, now especially, that you can do the exact same thing with thicker wire and less wraps

i'd suggest more research and reading. i don't mean to deter you, but rba's can be dangerous, and can cause serious damage to your equipment and you if you don't know what you're doing. it's a very good idea to learn everything inside and out before attempting to rebuild an atty yourself. baditude has a good blog entry with lots of info and links to more info here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-tips-vapors-looking-try-their-first-rba.html

(thanks if you see this, baditude!)

in addition, watch a lot of videos to see what other people do. don't try to start out with sub-ohm coils; your vamo won't be able to handle them anyways.

that being said, the vamo does work well for rba's with anything over 1.2 ohm coils, i'd shoot for 1.5 at the very least, though. good luck, and stay safe!

 

[Alchapwn]

Note: THINNER wire and less wraps. Thicker wire = lower resistance = need more wraps to get X.X ohms.

I knew that sounded wrong as I was typing it, lol. Time to break out the credit card and make s*** happen!

i'd suggest more research and reading. i don't mean to deter you, but rba's can be dangerous, and can cause serious damage to your equipment and you if you don't know what you're doing. it's a very good idea to learn everything inside and out before attempting to rebuild an atty yourself.

that being said, the vamo does work well for rba's with anything over 1.2 ohm coils, i'd shoot for 1.5 at the very least, though. good luck, and stay safe!

That is basically why im not going with a mechanical right now. I like the built in protection of the VV's. Later, when im more experienced i will get a mechanical mod, but for now, i will just stick with a simple VAMO. Thanks for the reply!

 

[Chiku]

Micro coils aren't used on a genny like the RSST, they are used on dripper style RBA's like the IGO L, or there people that use microcoils on a bottom feeder mod like the Reo with a reomizer 2 RBA (that is what is in my avatar). They do work extremely well, I can't see myself going back regular coils, but they do take some practice. However, I do find them easier than a genny with mesh, I can have a micro coil built in a couple minutes. Either way it will take patience, a lot of reading and watching videos, and a willingness to fiddle. Good luck. Once you have it down (no matter which way you go) you'll be extremely happy with your vape.

 

[Rodeorat]

The appeal of the micro coil is simply more surface area to vaporize juice. Additionally MCs will fire/heat up faster, behaving like a low Res coil while resistance is relatively high. A 3 ohm standard coil might time out on a vamo before it fully fires. A 3 ohm micro coil will light up immediately.
A true MC will be about 1/16 in diameter, so certain wicks are a challenge. Cotton works great. I've read its hard to make a mesh roll that small and still provide adequate wicking.
Agreed with previous posters, you can get a great vape without MCs. Another heavy hitter is a standard 4/5 coil wrapped with twisted 32 gauge. This hits like a truck for me at about 1 ohm. You'd probably need an extra wrap to fire on a vamo.

 

[Rodeorat]

And yes you certainly can use silica in an RSST

 

[brock957]

I just got a rsst. SS mesh 32 gauge kanthal. 3 wraps 1.6 ohms. I watched YouTube videos by P. Busario and Ieatbeanerz. The rsst is good to start with. The wick hole is insulated.

 

[ThermoNuker]

I've seen microcoil term in tandem with the new Eko Wool wicks. Wick is expensive, so only one is used. To get a 2-ohm coil for a small wick means more windings. It really looks like a coil. For sub-zero ohm vapers, we just call ours loops, 2 or 3 loops of 28ga is enough. Doesn't look like a coil