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[ItTechy]

I want to comment on the Chinese VV VW mods...

They are less expensive because they cost nothing to make and their quality control and chip sets are not as dependable as their American counter parts.

The reason that you may not see a VV VW Provari is becuase most people do not REALLY understand electrical engineering principles:

It starts at the core basics:

What is Voltage

What is Wattage

What is Amperage ah a term we don't see here in ECF...

What is Resistance..ah Ohm' law plays a BIG part in vaping too..

Wattage is a measurement of consumption, while Amperage is the measurement of force so to speak.

When you buy home audio speakers rated at a 1000 watts do they power themselves?

This is a whole other post, but if those that read this want a true breakdown I will post one..point is that VV VW is a misnomer dOOds and dOOdets!

Here' a clue while you can vary voltage output, you cannot very Wattage "output" as there is no such thing as Wattage output.

With my knowledge of electronics I would have to say based on principal the VW mods are actually VA...

The Mod is the power device, the atty is the output or consuming device, thus it has a wattage value, you cannot control wattage in the way most think, you are actually controlling power output, which until consumed cannot be measured into wattage.

It gets / sounds a bit complicated but it really isn't....

Of course one may then ask well my stereo amp is a 1000 watt amp, a yup...another misnomer in a way...

If ya'll want an engineering breakdown lemme know...I'll confuse the out of ya' hee hee

 

[H. Hodges]

......... Just my opinionated $1.00 (adjusted for inflation)

Don't sell yourself short, even in this economy, they're priceless!

 

[7sixtwo]

I want to comment on the Chinese VV VW mods...

They are less expensive because they cost nothing to make and their quality control and chip sets are not as dependable as their American counter parts.

The reason that you may not see a VV VW Provari is becuase most people do not REALLY understand electrical engineering principles:

It starts at the core basics:

What is Voltage

What is Wattage

What is Amperage ah a term we don't see here in ECF...

What is Resistance..ah Ohm' law plays a BIG part in vaping too..

Wattage is a measurement of consumption, while Amperage is the measurement of force so to speak.

When you buy home audio speakers rated at a 1000 watts do they power themselves?

This is a whole other post, but if those that read this want a true breakdown I will post one..point is that VV VW is a misnomer dOOds and dOOdets!

Here' a clue while you can vary voltage output, you cannot very Wattage "output" as there is no such thing as Wattage output.

With my knowledge of electronics I would have to say based on principal the VW mods are actually VA...

The Mod is the power device, the atty is the output or consuming device, thus it has a wattage value, you cannot control wattage in the way most think, you are actually controlling power output, which until consumed cannot be measured into wattage.

It gets / sounds a bit complicated but it really isn't....

Of course one may then ask well my stereo amp is a 1000 watt amp, a yup...another misnomer in a way...

If ya'll want an engineering breakdown lemme know...I'll confuse the out of ya' hee hee

Amperage is not generally referred to in the world of mods, but yes, I know what you mean.

The fact remains that imo, the Provari has an antiquated display and a clumsy menu system.

Some variable "wattage" would also be a welcome option.

They really need to update their models, considering what they cost.

 

[A BOSS]

I have both, The Provari is great, do not listen to people telling you to buy china made junk. Buy a used one or get a blemished one. They fire every time all the time.I have seen friends go through tesla's the vmax, lavatubes, the zmax , and man what a sight to see a evic hit a steel boat deck. They do not compare, most people that talk trash have never used or owned one. I also have a Reo mini 2.1 with a rm2 or [reomizer] it uses the same batteries as a Provari and it is wonderful I have been making my own coils and it is fun and it gives a good warm hit the Reo is also tough as nails. I have only had the Reo a few days but I love it. My words of wisdom would be to get a blemished Provari and if serenity leather ever makes any new wraps get one of those it has saved my Provari several times. Then start watching for a Reo 2,1 blemished you like and buy it too. Get you 6 batteries they will swap between the 2 as long as you stay with the 18490,18500. I wish I would have got both of these out of the gate I would have saved a lot of money. They are both worth every penny you spend. Also both of mine were blemished. The way I look at it you are buying them to use so if they come with a nick or whatever who cares and its funny but I still haven't found the blem on my Provari after 2 years and the blem on the Reo was unnoticeable. Get one of each They will both out last and out vape all the China mods I have used and seen and if you ever want to sell them they will bring a good return even beat up.

 

[H. Hodges]

View attachment 257174I have both, The Provari is great, do not listen to people telling you to buy china made junk. Buy a used one or get a blemished one. They fire every time all the time.I have seen friends go through tesla's the vmax, lavatubes, the zmax , and man what a sight to see a evic hit a steel boat deck. They do not compare, most people that talk trash have never used or owned one. I also have a Reo mini 2.1 with a rm2 or [reomizer] it uses the same batteries as a Provari and it is wonderful I have been making my own coils and it is fun and it gives a good warm hit the Reo is also tough as nails. I have only had the Reo a few days but I love it. My words of wisdom would be to get a blemished Provari and if serenity leather ever makes any new wraps get one of those it has saved my Provari several times. Then start watching for a Reo 2,1 blemished you like and buy it too. Get you 6 batteries they will swap between the 2 as long as you stay with the 18490,18500. I wish I would have got both of these out of the gate I would have saved a lot of money. They are both worth every penny you spend. Also both of mine were blemished. The way I look at it you are buying them to use so if they come with a nick or whatever who cares and its funny but I still haven't found the blem on my Provari after 2 years and the blem on the Reo was unnoticeable. Get one of each They will both out last and out vape all the China mods I have used and seen and if you ever want to sell them they will bring a good return even beat up.

Even the blem ProVari's have the same 1 year guarantee, life time serviceability, same operational standards, reliability, and ruggedness. Just a cheaper price.

 

[7sixtwo]

View attachment 257174I have both, The Provari is great, do not listen to people telling you to buy china made junk. Buy a used one or get a blemished one. They fire every time all the time.I have seen friends go through tesla's...

Any details on how the Teslas failed?

Mine's been a champ.. and it has one very sweet feature that Provaris lack, (for some reason), i.e. a spring-loaded center pin. That one seemingly minor build detail saves one so many potential headaches.

 

[The Ocelot]

Even the blem ProVari's have the same 1 year guarantee, life time serviceability, same operational standards, reliability, and ruggedness. Just a cheaper price.

I have had my blem for about 9 months and have not been able to find the "blem."

 

[The Ocelot]

Any details on how the Teslas failed?

Mine's been a champ.. and it has one very sweet feature that Provaris lack, (for some reason), i.e. a spring-loaded center pin. That one seemingly minor build detail saves one so many potential headaches.

How long did you own your ProVari?

 

[A BOSS]

Amperage is not generally referred to in the world of mods, but yes, I know what you mean.

The fact remains that imo, the Provari has an antiquated display and a clumsy menu system.

Some variable "wattage" would also be a welcome option.

They really need to update their models, considering what they cost.

They may be old or what ever but they are tough and the menu system on the Provari is so simple a baby could do it. Sure its display is not oled, but if you ever seen one of those displays get wet then you would know why it doesn't have one. Do you have a Provari ? Have you ever used one ? I have one it has a blue display I love and the menu system is great . I will say it is no evic [ thank god ] I really could use a puff counter and firmware that I could upgrade LOL I think it needs 10 buttons to , one for every Chinese piece of crap I bought before I got it, and that way when I push one it will show me a picture of the piece of junk and the dollar amount I wasted on it before I bought my Provari. Here is a pic of my P in 10 foot seas sitting on the dash of the boat if it was china made it would be sea sick and if it was a evic it would be broke. LoL

 

[7sixtwo]

How long did you own your ProVari?

Ha.. yes, very clever.

I don't own a Provari. I do like to buy higher quality products that have a warranty and are made in the US, but I'm waiting for "the next one"; with a better display, hopefully a better menu system, and VW capability.

I'm not willing to drop $100+ on the current models.

 

[A BOSS]

Any details on how the Teslas failed?

Mine's been a champ.. and it has one very sweet feature that Provaris lack, (for some reason), i.e. a spring-loaded center pin. That one seemingly minor build detail saves one so many potential headaches.

They failed because they fell, when you work offshore you get beat up, things fall all the time the one I saw go took a 6 foot drop to a steel deck, we got it working but it was never right again. I will also tell you my P has had its share of drops falls dings and guess what if you pull off that leather sleeve it looks like hell but hits like a monster. Its Like it has a military grade chip and display in it, O wait it does. I have had it for almost two very rough years.

 

[dice57]

I thought guys didn't brag about being fast.

I understand you enjoy building, it is a skill that takes practice and you are rewarded with a sense of accomplishment, as well as what I've heard it a superior vape, but it's not for everyone. The OP may already be fascinated with the idea of wrapping coils and be ready to jump right in, but I tend to suggest new vapers hold off on the advanced stuff until they have a good foundation in the basics. Rawr.

Lmao, When I first started to vape 5 months ago, I couldn't be bothered with the fuss of builds. But as my quest for that great vape started, I came to the convulsion that rba's is where I'd find my answer. And I did. Like anything in the vape world, builds take practice, but once one finds their preferred method and style, then it's really quite simple. And I agree, not something one new to vape should try, and time spent watching YouTube on different techniques is well spent, also lots of build methods to be found here.

I just received my first genesis rba today, and am really liking it. So now I have 3 kayfun style rba's and one genesis. The search is over, maybe, lol. just the build parameters to be refined is left.

As far as the fast jab, ya, some things I am pretty quick at, my hands per hour are about 500 when dealing black jack, I love to get my warrior up to 120mph on occasion too, but have not done that for awhile. lol. Other things I like to take time to complete, maybe an hour or two is best for maximum satisfaction. Just depends on what I am doing, and who or what.

 

[A BOSS]

These are my dogs Slug and Sushi, they were created in China but made in the USA, so you see I really want to like China stuff.

 

[The Ocelot]

Lmao, When I first started to vape 5 months ago, I couldn't be bothered with the fuss of builds. But as my quest for that great vape started, I came to the convulsion that rba's is where I'd find my answer. And I did. Like anything in the vape world, builds take practice, but once one finds their preferred method and style, then it's really quite simple. And I agree, not something one new to vape should try, and time spent watching YouTube on different techniques is well spent, also lots of build methods to be found here.

I just received my first genesis rba today, and am really liking it. So now I have 3 kayfun style rba's and one genesis. The search is over, maybe, lol. just the build parameters to be refined is left.

As far as the fast jab, ya, some things I am pretty quick at, my hands per hour are about 500 when dealing black jack, I love to get my warrior up to 120mph on occasion too, but have not done that for awhile. lol. Other things I like to take time to complete, maybe an hour or two is best for maximum satisfaction. Just depends on what I am doing, and who or what.

I really hope it was a conclusion you came to...(I'm sorry, I couldn't help it. I don't read very well and I had to re-read the sentence several times to make sure it wasn't me)

But you nailed it - you're dealing 21 at warp speed and I'm on the other side drinking ice water and splitting 8s.

 

[A BOSS]

I just made my first coil for this rm2 on my Reo it took 8 minutes and seems to work really well. It is ugly but I don't care I know its not a hard coil to do but I really like it. Its funny because I almost didn't buy the reomizer because I thought it would be to time consuming and hard to do. I must say I am shocked at how easy it is.

 

[Vapeaddikt]

I'm biased pick whatever one you want.

 

[Baditude]

I don't own a Provari. I do like to buy higher quality products that have a warranty and are made in the US, but I'm waiting for "the next one"; with a better display, hopefully a better menu system, and VW capability.

I'm not willing to drop $100+ on the current models.

I've got news for you. Provari's are more popular today than they have ever been. Provape recently doubled their staff in order to keep up with demand. Their reputation as the best regulated mod on the market is well-earned. It has been considered the gold standard with which all other mods are compared to for three years. Each and every mod which has come on the market from Smoktech, Joytech, Innokin, Segelei. etc are always hailed as the "Provari Killer". After a couple of months on the market, they all fall by the wayside as their shortcomings are exposed. EVERY ONE OF THEM. Yet the Provari continues to stand alone at the top.

All Chinese manufacturers use the same cheap 33.3 hz PWM chipset. Their business motto might as well be, "We make cheap. You buy cheap. It break, you buy another." Chinese mods are not designed or built to be durable. The metal used is low grade. The electronics are cheap and poor quality. You talk about the need for Provape to update the Provari? Nothing from China will ever better the Provari, not with the way they design and build. Nothing from China will ever improve upon the 800 hz PWM Accuset chipset that Provape exclusively owns by patent. China will never be able to compete in customer service the way Provape has. Adding bells & whistle features that do not improve the overall durability or the actual vaping experience will always have them trying to catch up to Provape.

Some people say that the Provari is outdated because it doesn't have VW. Well, to many VW did not turn out to be all that it was touted to be. Many who bought a mod in order to use VW say they don't even use it. They found out that they still needed to do fine adjustments.

OLED vs LED? Provape uses an LED because it is a more durable display than OLED. OLED is not resistant to water and e-liquids, they stop it in its tracks. Provape's LED is waterproof; this has been proven time and again with Provari's surviving dunks in a swimming pool, a river, and a washing machine. In fact, Provape suggests isopropyl alcohol bathes for the Provari. Try doing that with any other other mod.

To own quality you have to pay more for it. Construction workers and mechanics do not buy inexpensive tools, they buy expensive durable tools that last. This is how Provape builds the Provari. The Provari will last years while the competition will last weeks or months. You obviously have never used or owned a Provari or you would never make the comments that you've made in this thread.

I've rambled on enough already. Continue to enjoy your Tesla or whatever you use and be happy about the money you've saved. I'll enjoy my Provari and be happy about the money I'll have saved over the long term.

 

[jeffsm3]

Wow, this thread turned interesting. If you still are deciding I'll put in my 2 pennies also. I have been vaping a LONG time, since before my join date actually. I bought a provari as my very first mod. I loved it. I still love it. Here's a story to its durability, I ride a motorcycle and carry my provari in my tank bag. I hit a really big pothole that I did not see, my provari went flying, landed in the street and was run over by the car behind me. We were doing 40 mph. It still works to this day and I have never had to send it back. This is also the very first provari that ever came out.

With that said I am not a provari fanboi. I do love it and think its great but I don't push it on anyone. There quality speaks for themselves. I also am a rebuilder and use tanks also SOOOOO I've been dying for a reo!! But I didn't have your dilemma because there was no such thing as reo when I started. I have been into mechanical for awhile just because I can adjust my vape in every aspect. I also am not just starting out though.

I also just ordered my reo and have heard amazing things! I can't wait to get it. No spilling, no having to change tanks, flavor of a dripper without having to drip, all awesome things. So when deciding I think you can't go wrong with either. You just have to decide how much and what you want to put into it. As others have said they are apples and oranges. If I was to do it all over again I probably would have gone with the reo. It's small and compact and doesn't look like I'm sucking on a giant silver tubesteak! So good luck with your choice either will be awesome.

As for the tesla vs provari, well I've had one of those too. Great device and cheap but like bad said doesn't compare. Will you get a good hit? He'll yes you will, every time too. Do they break sometimes? Yup. Would I want to drop it off my bike? Only if I had another one at home since they only cost about 20$ all this is besides the point sine OP question was provari or REO.


PS. get a reo!!!

 

[stevegmu]

Many are very close, in every respect, except the warranty. However, the lack of warranty really doesn't matter, because they're 1/4 the price.

E.g. the Tesla does more than the Provari does, is solidly built, has a superior menu system, a better screen, and is far less expensive.

Imo, anyone considering a Provari should instead buy something less expensive for now, and wait for an improved Provari model to be released before they shell out the $.

I take it you don't own a ProVari.

 

[tj99959]

I have both and use both (see avatar), and while they are completely different animals they're equal in quality. Mine are now starting to fall into the category of "high milers", and still look and work flawlessly. So from experience, you can't go wrong with either one.

So for the differences:
You are likely to see several different heads or flavors in use on my Provari during the day. This would mean adjusted to several different voltages depending on what is being used on it.
My Reo is pretty much a dedicated device, I haven't changed flavors in it for months (nom-nom .. I love my DiY Happy Apple). But, I will just stick a fresh atty (or carto) on it and go for a week+ without having to do anything but swap bats & fill it with juice. This makes it the best knock around out & about PV.

So ... my desk is powered by a Provari, and my car by a Reo.

I also use a very much modified Zen DX-490 for just playin' with stuff. A guy always needs one for just playin