New to vaping staying SAFE

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AndriusP

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I bought a smok Alien 220W mod. I charged my batteries to full and started vaping. I noticed my reading were rather high ---> at 60W 3V and 19AMPS! This seems super high for me and I am worried about drawing too much power from the batteries. Obviously this is a regulated mod but I am still worried. If I turn it up to 220W it draws over 32AMPS from the battery and immediately starts burning the coil even though its full of juice. I most of the time vape at around 60W to 80W. Is this just because the batteries have just been charged or is there something I should worry about.

My mods firmware is V1.2.11. I tried upgrading to 1.3.2 but it still shows the same, so I went back to 1.2.11.
My batteries are
Efest 18650 3000 mAh 35 A IMR High Drain Flat Top Battery
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B071ZJPLHZ?psc=1

If anyone could provide info if its safe to vape or not I would appriciate this greatly!

THANK YOU!
 

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Hi and welcome. I wouldn't worry too much about indicated amps on your machine. I don't have that machine, but even if it does display amps, it will display them on the firing circuit, not the battery circuit. Unfortunately, I would still be a bit worried. Your Efest battery is a re-wrap, meaning Efest didn't make the cell. They bought it somewhere and put their own wrap on it. Still worse, there isn't any way to know what actual cell is under the wrap, so there's no way to know what amps the battery will carry. In fact, the only absolutely certain thing is Efest is well known for grossly over-inflating current ratings. If your cell is really 3000mAh, and it might be as this is pretty easy to check with a good charger, then I will hazard the guess it is at most a 20A CDR battery. It could be less. A lot less. It is definitely not a 35A battery. A battery with that kind of CDR-- not that there actually are any commonly available-- would be no more than 1000-1250mAh or so.

I strongly recommend you purchase some top quality cells from a name-brand manufacturer, and buy them from a reputable dealer. Which cells you buy will be dependent on how you want to vape. A good rule of thumb is 60 watts per 20A cell. You have a 2-battery mod, so with real 20A batteries you are good to about 120 watts. In that regime I recommend the Samsung 30Q battery. Above this, the LG HD series cells and the Sony VTC5A are good for about 25A, and two of them will keep you safe out to about 150 Watts. If you still need more, the LG HB series batteries are rated 30 amps, and two of them will make it out to 180-200ish watts (not that you'll like it much as they are only 1500MaH each).

I personally doubt your "220 watt" mod actually makes 220 watts, especially not on two 18650s, but it will go high enough to stress 20A cells. If you really want a real 200+ watts, think 3-battery mod. Or 4 battery mod. Or go for a DNA200 board with a 3S LiPo pack.
 

stols001

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Yes, I'd be worried about using that device with poor quality rewraps. I don't know what to *do* about the tendency of vape shops (and now device makers) "branding" batteries, and using either less powerful cells, or seconds and thirds discarded from the reputable makers. It seems to be happening more and more, and when I saw an aspire rewrap, I died a little inside.

Batteries are THE MOST important part of a mod, IMO. I get that other things can cause a mod to vent, but not knowing what your battery IS or what it is rated at is supremely dangerous. Mooch's blog is a great place to go for battery issues, and this table should tell you most of what you need to know, including reputable vendors at the very bottom:

Mooch's Recommended Batteries | E-Cigarette Forum

If you are running your setup at high wattages you may be overstressing them, which worst case can lead to thermal runaway and venting-- in your hand, or near your face. It's generally not considered the greatest idea to run a mod-- consistently-- at its highest setting, either. It's kind of like a car speedometer-- mine goes up to 200 but I will NEVER get it going that fast (hopefully). The highest wattage kind of gives you an idea of how high you can *safely* go for a decent period of vaping using the correct rated batteries, which is lower than the HIGHEST wattage of a mod..... Often, folks wanting to vape consistently at 200 or above will buy 3 or 4 battery mods running in parallel, in order to achieve that effect. To be fair, I consider 200 watts very high indeed, but then again, I vape at an all powerful 7 or 8 watts on a 120 mod, with correctly rated batteries, and I just enjoy extra long battery life.

Most coils are NOT rated at 220 watts, so I'm not shocked your coil is burning, batteries or not. You can check your coils by reading the "recommended resistance" on them, which will give you an *idea* of what the manufacturer things the coils will run best at. With that said, you should be priming your coils, then slowwwllly adjusting the wattage upward in about 3--5 watt increments, until you hit a "sweet spot" where you are enjoying your vape, and this MAY be BELOW the recommended wattage, but should not be above it.

Step 1: Batteries
Step 2: Figure out where you enjoy your vape, don't try to take your speakers up to "11." That only works in the movies, well, the best band movie ever, but still, try to stay at a reasonable resistance, not pushing the mod to its outer limits and tolerances.

Best of luck, I'm really glad you posted. Considering a nice tattoo of Mooch's chart somewhere where I can readily "advertise it" this practice is getting so out of hand.... Sigh. Good luck, do keep coming back here as you have questions, and return your batteries for a refund so you can buy something authentic. I am partial to the IMRBatteries.com company, myself, decent prices, you will get what you order, fast shipping comes with free battery silicone cases, and during my last order, 2 free rewraps. Nice nod to battery safety. They will also come with a "Do not use in vaping" label, that is a legal covering of their butts, and nothing more. Not so surprising with the amount of counterfeits now.

VENDORS AND E-CIG MAKERS, a vaper without a hand is not a repeat customer, usually!!!!! When will you get that???? (Ahem, sorry).

Anna
 
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