new to vaping

[analog]

I've never used one but have read one good review.

Are you kidding me? You've never used one, yet you type up a whole paragraph of complaints? I guess it's because you've never used one that you fail to realize that you're just recycling complaints that apply to OTHER models, not the current offerings by bloog, and some other 808 manufacturers.

The big problem is they only use "auto" batteries. I could never recommend an auto battery. Too many failures, inconsistent performance, power cut-offs and dead batteries due to leakage.

Hmmm, where are all these complaints at? I keep my nose pretty close to the ground on the latest 808 offerings, and an incredibly small percentage of people are having battery problems at all, and those that are aren't having the problems you list. I've seen virtually none. MAYBE if by leakage you meant someone ignored a very simple instruction to not drip liquid into an unsealed battery. But you make it sound as if this is a fault of the product or design instead of obvious user error. Clearly this won't work if someone is insistent on dripping, but that isn't how these products are used, and everyone has been aware of that for years now.

Plus having to do the double, triple inhale "crap" to get a half way decent vape.

Again you must be talking about something other than current 808 tech like the bloog maxxfusion. There is no primer puff like with auto batts of old. Vapor production is INSTANT, faster than smoke comes out of analogs. A 3 second puff provides a perfectly acceptable hit, 5 or 6 seconds is as much as can fit in my mouth. At that many of these current 808's go up to 10 second cutoff time, I have no idea how someone can even fit that much vapor in their mouth, much less stand to inhale it.

If you weren't new, I would recommend you get a variable volt PV which provides the best performance with the least problems because you can adjust the power to fit any atomizer/cartomizer you choose to use.

IMHO it's not just a bad recommendation because she's new, it's because she's said she's trying to quit analogs, not shop for a new toy to play with. MANY people have started switching over to current 808's from fancy mods because they tire of the "sport" of vaping. The bloog and similar just work. They work like the analog she's trying to quit. There's no dialing in of voltage, no finding the perfect atty, no fiddling. There's nothing wrong with wanting more complicated toys, but they are more bother than many people care to deal with, and offer little improvement in the actual vaping experience. It's not because we are new, inexperienced or can't understand the complexities of complicated PV's, it's because we actually prefer these products.

I don't want to sound dogmatic, there are viable reasons to choose just about any model over any other, but beginners really need current information to make choices that are relevant to them, not 1-2 year old information about products they aren't even asking about.

 

[wv2win]

Are you kidding me? You've never used one, yet you type up a whole paragraph of complaints? I guess it's because you've never used one that you fail to realize that you're just recycling complaints that apply to OTHER models, not the current offerings by bloog, and some other 808 manufacturers.

Hmmm, where are all these complaints at? I keep my nose pretty close to the ground on the latest 808 offerings, and an incredibly small percentage of people are having battery problems at all, and those that are aren't having the problems you list. I've seen virtually none. MAYBE if by leakage you meant someone ignored a very simple instruction to not drip liquid into an unsealed battery. But you make it sound as if this is a fault of the product or design instead of obvious user error. Clearly this won't work if someone is insistent on dripping, but that isn't how these products are used, and everyone has been aware of that for years now.

Again you must be talking about something other than current 808 tech like the bloog maxxfusion. There is no primer puff like with auto batts of old. Vapor production is INSTANT, faster than smoke comes out of analogs. A 3 second puff provides a perfectly acceptable hit, 5 or 6 seconds is as much as can fit in my mouth. At that many of these current 808's go up to 10 second cutoff time, I have no idea how someone can even fit that much vapor in their mouth, much less stand to inhale it.

IMHO it's not just a bad recommendation because she's new, it's because she's said she's trying to quit analogs, not shop for a new toy to play with. MANY people have started switching over to current 808's from fancy mods because they tire of the "sport" of vaping. The bloog and similar just work. They work like the analog she's trying to quit. There's no dialing in of voltage, no finding the perfect atty, no fiddling. There's nothing wrong with wanting more complicated toys, but they are more bother than many people care to deal with, and offer little improvement in the actual vaping experience. It's not because we are new, inexperienced or can't understand the complexities of complicated PV's, it's because we actually prefer these products.

I don't want to sound dogmatic, there are viable reasons to choose just about any model over any other, but beginners really need current information to make choices that are relevant to them, not 1-2 year old information about products they aren't even asking about.

I don't know where to begin with a "tool" like you. First, I never "dissed" the Bloog. I'm sure it is a fine PV. My comments, which would be clear to anyone but a "tool" was about auto batteries in general. Second, dripping has become a big part of the vaping community because it is so superior in performance to using a cart and that is supported by hundreds of posts on ECF and other vaping forums. Third, you obviously have never used or have a clue about the significant performance improvement in vaping provided by a variable volt PV such as the ProVari or the Darwin. You should actually have more than two months experience with vaping and have used more than one or two PV's before you start bad mouthing some of the best PV's made and annointing the Bloog as superior.

 

[swedishfish]

Somebody really likes their Bloog.

 

[analog]

I don't know where to begin with a "tool" like you.

Oh gee, I don't know, facts and direct responses, not straw man attacks and name calling?

My comments, which would be clear to anyone but a "tool" was about auto batteries in general.

And my comment is that they are not accurate. Your comments are typically true of old tech auto batteries. Many companies have auto batteries which none of your comments apply to. In general or specifically.

Second, dripping has become a big part of the vaping community because it is so superior in performance to using a cart and that is supported by hundreds of posts on ECF and other vaping forums.

Really? No room for even considering that it is superior for some, and obviously not for many others? Heck, we could even look at the other "hundreds of posts on ecf and other vaping forums" as evidence that not everyone agrees with your claims of outright superiority. MANY people find carto designs superior for them. MANY others find carto designs superior for some situations. It's why people buy and use carto designs. Do you think we just don't know any better?

Third, you obviously have never used or have a clue about the significant performance improvement in vaping provided by a variable volt PV such as the ProVari or the Darwin.

Well you got lucky in that assumption, I haven't used either of those brands. I have used a homemade variable volt mod that a friend loves. I get it, they are neat toys. They allow one to do all sorts of cool and fun things, and control another variable. Go read my first post, I said as much there. The fact that I have no interest in having one because of the drawbacks to what I want seems illegitimate to you somehow. Funny how I can hang out with my friend who does have a fancy do all machine, and he doesn't seem to get indignant about my not agreeing with his preference. He doesn't really mind that I drive a wagon and he drives a pickup either, obviously we made some decisions with different values in mind and neither of us is wrong.

You should actually have more than two months experience with vaping and have used more than one or two PV's before you start bad mouthing some of the best PV's made and annointing the Bloog as superior.

Straw man much? I have no interest in bad mouthing anything, only discussing facts and relative pros and cons. I will however reserve the right to decide what is superior for my needs and desires as I expect you will do likewise. This is the newbies forum. They deserve honest discussion to help them decide what will work for them.

 

[Chornbro]

EDIT: I cant read... and I'm going to stay out of this one...

 

[BigFish]

I'm going to put my 2 cents on Vapor4Life (aka - V4L) as well. Equipment and customer service are amazing. And the prices are really decent. Whatever you chose, DO NOT go to the mall!

 

[analog]

I want to add a note to WV2win. I admit I was kinda irked at what I saw as misinfo, then mad with you for the name calling, and so I've thought about it a bit. I re-read my initial post, and while I don't see myself being tool-ish, I guess you did. I don't like the way you "called it out", but regardless I can still apologize for coming across as one whether I meant to or not, and regardless of your tact in pointing it out. I do hope my apology might bring you back into the conversation. I never felt, or meant to come across as defensive, especially not of a particular brand as I now own 3 brands of excellent quality kr808d-1 style batteries. And certainly don't want to seem as if I'm attacking YOU but rather challenging what I feel are incorrect opinions of devices I'm rather familiar with and fond of.

Please feel free to correct me if you do know of problems I've glossed over with the latest KR products, and to share any benefits or drawbacks you see with high end mods that I might miss. The two of us can do more in this forum to have that conversation where newbies can join in than we can sitting quietly in our corners feeling righteous.

Olive branch?

 

[swedishfish]

To be honest, I read his post three times and can't figure out why you were so offended by it. He said it's a KR808 with an automatic battery. For varying reasons, many people don't like automatic batteries. Is that so terrible?

We are all pretty attached to the pv that got us off analogs. Each and every pv has their plus and minus. I happen to like the ego for that reason. It worked for me. I'm not so personally attached to it that I get offended if somone points out a few cons about it. Everything on the planet has pros and cons. I'm the first one to point them out myself because I want people to have an accurate picture of what they're getting and I'd feel extremely guilty if someone purchased something on my recommendation that they ended up unhappy with.

I understand you're happy with your Bloog and that's great. But I have to be honest with you. Some bloog users come off a little like Amway salesman. It's not a good pv- IT'S THE BEST PV EVER CREATED. You don't get a good throat hit -you get MORE THAN ANY OTHER PV on the market. etc. etc. It might very well be an excellent KR808. I considered getting that for my mom when she was getting her KR808. I thought it was a bit overpriced for her (didn't know if she'd even use it) but once I knew she'd like vaping I would have ordered it if it was in stock, which it wasn't. But just like a mod, 902, 510, ego, igo, there are good and bad things about it.

He's capable of defending himself, but I didn't see the huge deal or anything offensive about what he posted.

 

[analog]

OK, if that's how you read it too, then I did fail to get my point across. I wasn't offended that someone would make a complaint against automatic batteries. It was that complaints that have been solved in the latest models are still often put out there. Clearly a lot of people that haven't tried these haven't gotten that message. And it's not just amway boogers, right now I'm vaping my new Volt (OMG ILOVE IT ITS THE BEST EVAR!!!! I guess I just jumped on the "I've not tried it but..." A much more calm, not post midnight "well I have tried them and..." will be my response next time!
*knickers fully untwisted now*

 

[projectz]

riva 510, cheap and reliable...

 

[wv2win]

I want to add a note to WV2win. I admit I was kinda irked at what I saw as misinfo, then mad with you for the name calling, and so I've thought about it a bit. I re-read my initial post, and while I don't see myself being tool-ish, I guess you did. I don't like the way you "called it out", but regardless I can still apologize for coming across as one whether I meant to or not, and regardless of your tact in pointing it out. I do hope my apology might bring you back into the conversation. I never felt, or meant to come across as defensive, especially not of a particular brand as I now own 3 brands of excellent quality kr808d-1 style batteries. And certainly don't want to seem as if I'm attacking YOU but rather challenging what I feel are incorrect opinions of devices I'm rather familiar with and fond of.

Please feel free to correct me if you do know of problems I've glossed over with the latest KR products, and to share any benefits or drawbacks you see with high end mods that I might miss. The two of us can do more in this forum to have that conversation where newbies can join in than we can sitting quietly in our corners feeling righteous.

Olive branch?

Since I was not "slamming" the Bloog, I did see your comments as "attacking" and completely out of context since my comments were about the problems with auto batteries "in general". I will accept your apology. I have vaped on more than 15 different PV's, both autos and manual batteries, in over two years of vaping. I think that gives me some good "comparative" experience. I combine that experience with the thousands of posts and reviews I have read here and on other vaping forums.

I do not view "good" variable volt PV's as "toys". To me and many others, they have elevated vaping to the next level due to their flexiblity and consistency. One of the weak areas of vaping has been inconsistent performance due to weak batteries losing power, resistence changes in atomizers/cartomizes as you use them and how heat effects different eliquids. The better VV PV's such as the Darwins goes a long way in solving those problems. One of the things many of us miss about smoking is the consistency. When you lit up a new analog, you always knew it would be the same as the one you smoked two hours earlier. PV's such as the Darwin, that automatically adjusts the power output by sensing the changes in the resistence of the atty/carto as you vape, helps add that consistency to vaping. And being able to get 21+ hours on a charge for very heavy vaping is quite liberating. This is the first time in 2 years that I have not had to carry extra batteries with me during the work day.

If the Bloog is all you need, that is great. But for ultimate consistency, flexibility (dripping, not dripping, any atty or carto, strong throat hit or light throat hit) and outstanding battery life, a good variable volt PV is hard to beat.

Peace

 

[NC_Fog]

I started with the Vapor4Life Vapor King manual and 2wks later ordered two Go-go's. I like them both even though I now mostly use the Go-go's. So far all of the Juices from V4L have been great and I love the flavor enhancement and vapor production from the Go-go.