New Trend?

[Bikenstein]

I have noticed in the last few weeks that more and more people are buying twists, spinners, and even VV/VW's on their initial purchase instead of standard ego kits. Used to be they would hold up an ego kit and say "This is what you want". The sales people are getting more experience at helpin people and are able to sell them on "upgrades" for their first purchase. A guy came in Friday. He decided to buy a VTR and Protank 2 and quit smoking that day. He came in again yesterday and bought a Vamo 5 and another Protank for 2 flavors and a backup. A cop came in a few days ago and I sold him on a VV 3 over an ego twist, he had tried his friends ego twist and wanted one. Another guy came in yesterday and bought 2 ego twists for him and his wife cause he heard vv is better. The more vapers around the better educated the general public becomes and when a newb goes in a store for a first time purchase he will already have a workin knowledge of vv, vw, cartos, attys, drippers, etc. I think in the future you will see double kits with VV batteries and better toppers and the ego kits will become viewed more as the cig-a-likes. What do you think? Lovin my Lucky 7 juice

 

[mrharvey34]

I work at a vape shop and I tell people that they want to stay away from plastic and try Pyrex only due to personal experience with bad flavor and the fact you can't run all the flavors you want. But you are right new people are coming in and know a little bit of what they want.


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[xanderxman]

I started with a V2 cig-a-like and within a week ordered two eGo Twists. That was in 2012. Skipping the fixed voltage eGos is not a new trend really. When I first started on ECF many of the veteran members recommended jumping straight to VV. There are simply more good VV products available now and more B&Ms with staff that know what they are talking about and have already been through the initial steps of vaping.

The amount of good product and the number of good stores makes this a more visible trend but I do not think it is new. I do agree with you that the fixed voltage eGos may be viewed the same a cig-a-likes on ECF but in the real world there are so many more people getting into vaping and a fixed eGo or cig-a-like may be just what they need. I was at my local B&M yesterday and a nice older lady came in with her 900 mah fixed voltage eGo with a PT2 on top and said it had been 6 weeks since her last cigarette.

We get a skewed view of the overall vaping scene here on ECF. There are a lot of people that come here looking for help but I would venture to say there are a multitude more people that are getting into vaping without the help of ECF. Our take on vaping is not the entire story. ECF helps a lot of people but it is not the only source of information.

But your post is pretty accurate. The more knowledgeable vapers there are out there helping people get started the more likely VV may become the starting point for many people.

 

[Susan W.]

The first purchase I made was a twist. At that time, the Protank wasn't invented so I used those Stardust clearos. I still have the two twists and still use them. Things are advancing so quickly. Much better products on the market now.

 

[mare ze dotes]

Whats a vv3 and whats a vtr? btw.

 

[Hypatia]

Whats a vv3 and whats a vtr? btw.

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Both of those are considered "upgrade" or intermediate devices. However, I can't see any reason why someone couldn't jump right into either of those right off the bat. I didn't. I started with Vision Spinners and Joyetech Twists, since I didn't think I wanted anything with a "complicated" LED menu. Good value for the money, though, should someone be drawn to either product. Although, the menu screen does make for a slighter longer learning curve for some of us.

 

[Bikenstein]

But your post is pretty accurate. The more knowledgeable vapers there are out there helping people get started the more likely VV may become the starting point for many people.

With the better VV batteries now, I think we'll soon see VV kits offered like the unregulated kits are now. Vaping is relatively new here with shops only beginning to open up. And they are rapidly growing. The trend to go straight to VV is growing here, according to what I've seen and according to the B&M's here. Pure speculation but I think fixed voltage disposables will die down if not out.

 

[Bikenstein]

Whats a vv3 and whats a vtr? btw.

Sorry about that. I didn't use to do that but I think Hypatia helped good enough on that. Should have put a link in

 

[xanderxman]

I see a market for fixed voltage and cig-a-likes no matter how popular VV becomes. My local B&M serves quite a few "older" vapers. I am 40 myself so I am no spring chicken but I say older meaning folks more my parents' age. A few of them come in a couple times a week to get help filling their tanks. I don't see someone like that caring about VV or mods or dripping. They just want something to keep them from smoking. I see that demographic maintaining a demand for simple setups.

For the most part I see VV the same way you do but I don't think it will ever cause fixed voltage setups to die out totally. Like you, I am purely speculating based on what I have seen around here. It will be interesting to see how vaping grows in the next few years.

 

[Hypatia]

With the better VV batteries now, I think we'll soon see VV kits offered like the unregulated kits are now. Vaping is relatively new here with shops only beginning to open up. And they are rapidly growing. The trend to go straight to VV is growing here, according to what I've seen and according to the B&M's here. Pure speculation but I think fixed voltage disposables will die down if not out.

My local vape shop doesn't have pre-packaged starter kits. Rather, they have a display case with popular "starter" pieces, VV batteries included. They offer a "bundle" price for a group of products purchased by a new vaper, including a couple doodads (charger, juice, case) tossed in for free in the deal. I found that a very nice way to empower a new vaper to offer a few choices tailored to the individual. Of course, the fixed voltage batteries are there for folks who want those, too. I think it's great that there's enough choices for the new vapers, as well as fine folks to explain and teach newbies how to run their gear.

 

[StevenServo]

shoot.. i still got my first little 650mah ego battery... from febuary last year still works for like 20 puffs haha.

 

[Bikenstein]

I started with a V2 cig-a-like and within a week ordered two eGo Twists. That was in 2012. Skipping the fixed voltage eGos is not a new trend really. When I first started on ECF many of the veteran members recommended jumping straight to VV. There are simply more good VV products available now and more B&Ms with staff that know what they are talking about and have already been through the initial steps of vaping.

The amount of good product and the number of good stores makes this a more visible trend but I do not think it is new. .

Exactly. Because there are more good products and more B&M's with knowledgeable staff because of experience, there are consequently more vv's and better tanks, etc. bein sold to first timers. It may not be new there but it is new here.

 

[xanderxman]

Exactly. Because there are more good products and more B&M's with knowledgeable staff because of experience, there are consequently more vv's and better tanks, etc. bein sold to first timers. It may not be new there but it is new here.

All of my initial learning was done here on ECF. I learned a lot and appreciate all the help I got along the way and the help I still get here. I think my journey would have been a bit faster with a good B&M but at the time that was not an option. Now that we have several B&Ms around I see a lot of people using setups like those you described in your OP.

I was looking at the trend more on ECF than in the real world because at the time B&Ms didn't exist here. I think, looking at ECF, it is not really new but out in the world it is a new experience. And I, like you, attribute that to the great B&Ms opening up everywhere.

Now, if we could just get the haters to let us be so we could help more people quit smoking the world would be a better place!

 

[Bikenstein]

My local vape shop doesn't have pre-packaged starter kits. Rather, they have a display case with popular "starter" pieces, VV batteries included. They offer a "bundle" price for a group of products purchased by a new vaper, including a couple doodads (charger, juice, case) tossed in for free in the deal. I found that a very nice way to empower a new vaper to offer a few choices tailored to the individual. Of course, the fixed voltage batteries are there for folks who want those, too. I think it's great that there's enough choices for the new vapers, as well as fine folks to explain and teach newbies how to run their gear.

Titletown Rocks! Ain't that way here but it is getting there. I think you will still see fixed voltage and cig-a-likes but mainly at the quickie stores. And Xanderxman, I saw 3 ladies 70+ together and 2 of em buyin vv's yesterday. The more they visit, the more likely they are to upgrade.

 

[Bikenstein]

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[xanderxman]

SNIP......And Xanderxman, I saw 3 ladies 70+ together and 2 of em buyin vv's yesterday. The more they visit, the more likely they are to upgrade.

Nice! I would love to talk to someone like that about their vape experience. I love it when I see someone from that generation willing to take such a big leap to give up a habit that is probably older than I am. Sounds like you work at a pretty awesome B&M. Keep up the good fight my friend.

 

[Bikenstein]

Nice! I would love to talk to someone like that about their vape experience. I love it when I see someone from that generation willing to take such a big leap to give up a habit that is probably older than I am. Sounds like you work at a pretty awesome B&M. Keep up the good fight my friend.

Thanks. You'd be surprised at the knowledge and excitement these older people are showing. Vaping is becoming more of a lifestyle to them. I don't work there just visit and offer help where I can. The people who own the store are learning more and more and getting quality help and products in.

 

[Bikenstein]

shoot.. i still got my first little 650mah ego battery... from febuary last year still works for like 20 puffs haha.

Hah! Usin my first Kanger Evod on my MVP right now. Still have my first 650, still works :)

 

[Bigflyrodder]

While I agree there are advantages to starting off with better gear from the get go I don't see how basic "starter kits" can easily be replaced. I think there a large number of people that either look into vaping on a whim or with experience being only from disposables from convience stores. For them I believe the stick batteries with a very simple to understand and use tank system (i.e. Kanger Evod starter set up) will continue to be the best place to start for them. They have a more acceptable pricepoint but even still most I've seen buying them have that "eesh, that much?" kind of reaction once they are giving the total for their first purchase. Try to start them off with say a MVP or V3 and a tank like a PT or Aspire and that number would double quickly.

I know most people outgrow those starter kits very quickly and those users often tell others to just skip that step but I don't think they should be passing that advice. I think there is a whole crawl, walk, run process going on here for good reason.

Just my $.02, not saying anyone else is wrong at all just feeling like the kits do and should always have a place.

 

[Bikenstein]

While I agree there are advantages to starting off with better gear from the get go I don't see how basic "starter kits" can easily be replaced. I think there a large number of people that either look into vaping on a whim or with experience being only from disposables from convience stores. For them I believe the stick batteries with a very simple to understand and use tank system (i.e. Kanger Evod starter set up) will continue to be the best place to start for them. They have a more acceptable pricepoint but even still most I've seen buying them have that "eesh, that much?" kind of reaction once they are giving the total for their first purchase. Try to start them off with say a MVP or V3 and a tank like a PT or Aspire and that number would double quickly.

I know most people outgrow those starter kits very quickly and those users often tell others to just skip that step but I don't think they should be passing that advice. I think there is a whole crawl, walk, run process going on here for good reason.

Just my $.02, not saying anyone else is wrong at all just feeling like the kits do and should always have a place.

They will always have a place, I think but that place will shrink and be overtaken by better equipment at better values. I ain't a psychic but I can see better starter kits coming out. If a very large percentage of smokers were vapin now, I can see smokers investin in good equipment from the get go from bein exposed to the knowledge and seein the results. There is a place for cheap beer, too. But how many start drinkin cheap beer?