New Vaper, introduction and question!

[Phildepill]

Hey forums,

My name is Phil and I am thinking of going to vaping soon and just wanted to ask a quick question. I have been looking on some threads about a good "first vape" and came across a few people recommending the iTaste MVP 2.0 and the nautilus Mini tank. I just wanted to know if this is still a good combo still or if there are new options out there around the same in terms of functionality but just newer.

Thanks everyone!

 

[NealBJr]

Hey forums,

I am thinking of going to vaping soon and just wanted to ask a quick question. I have been looking on some threads about a good "first vape" and came across a few people recommending the iTaste MVP 2.0 and the Nautilus Mini Tank. I just wanted to know if this is still a good combo still or if there are new options out there around the same in terms of functionality but just newer. Thanks everyone!

Phil

The Nautilus is still a top notch atomizer. It's an atomizer that is well suited for a vaper just switching from analog cigarettes. It doesn't blow "monster clouds", but delivers a reliable vapor, with a tighter draw with excellent flavor. It's still recommended for beginning vapers, since most beginners can be turned away by huge clouds and tonnes of vapor. Don't get me wrong, it still produces good vapor, just not monster clouds. It concentrates on flavor.

Now the Itaste MVP 2.0 is still a good match for the Nautilus. It's a solidly made device, easy to use, and you may be able to get a bargain on it. The technical specs are, it delivers 11 watts of power. That is well suited for the Nautilus. However, if you do decide to want more clouds than what the nautilus can provide, you will be looking for another battery as well. The current entry point for power, is 30 watts. Since the MVP2.0 has came out, a company called Eleaf came out with their istick products and produced a pretty reliable and cheap mod that delivers 20 watts, then 30 watts, then above. The Istick 30 has become somewhat of a yardstick that everyone is measuring up to nowdays. If you compare the MVP 2.0 Vs. the istick, I would suggest the istick. The MVP is slightly better built overall and has a bit better battery capacity, but the istick beats it in every other category. For that reason, I suggest the istick 30 instead of the MVP 2.0. The MVP would have to be much cheaper than the istick, but as the price point goes now, the MVP is more expensive than the istick.

 

[IMFire3605]

Instead of the MVP 2.0 I'd suggest the basic MVP 20W (20watts), MVP 3.0 (30 watts), or the MVP 3.0 Pro (60watts). The Nautilus and Nautilus Mini are both great tanks, it will work with the MVP 2.0, but nothing stellar as you will be at full power (5v or 11watts its max output), the Nautilus coils really shine in the 12 to 18watt range, so the MVP 20watt and MVP 3.0 Basic with extra power output will bring the most out of the Nautilus coil and leave you room to expand later. The MVP 2.0 you'd be better off with a Kanger Aerotank or Davide Full size with the included Aspire Coil conversion kit (this allows for flexibility between the Kanger or Aspire Coils for easier availability). Another Combo to look at would be one of the MVP 20watt or other MVP models, not the 2.0, and an Eleaf GS Air type tank, a very nice combination and the GS Air tanks are quite more reasonable in price and quite as stellar performers as the Nautilus tanks.

 

[Phildepill]

@NealBJr

Thank you for the detailed response!

I actually really like big clouds and vapor but as a beginner I want to start with something simple so I won't go crazy on an atomizer (I'll probably stick with the nautilus for now)

I was actually just looking at the istick 30w because it seems to be ion the same price range and a fair bit newer and has a bigger wattage which I imagine gives more atomizer options for the future and will allow for more vapor to come through. Looking at general prices, the istick is about the same price as the mvp 2.0, but doesn't include an atomizer and the nautilus one is about $20 leaving the total to be about $50+extra coils, e-juice etc. which is fine so I think I will go with the iStick.

Thanks again for the reply!

(I just figured out quotes, excuse my inconsistent replies)

 

[Phildepill]

Instead of the MVP 2.0 I'd suggest the basic MVP 20W (20watts), MVP 3.0 (30 watts), or the MVP 3.0 Pro (60watts). The Nautilus and Nautilus Mini are both great tanks, it will work with the MVP 2.0, but nothing stellar as you will be at full power (5v or 11watts its max output), the Nautilus coils really shine in the 12 to 18watt range, so the MVP 20watt and MVP 3.0 Basic with extra power output will bring the most out of the Nautilus coil and leave you room to expand later. The MVP 2.0 you'd be better off with a Kanger Aerotank or Davide Full size with the included Aspire Coil conversion kit (this allows for flexibility between the Kanger or Aspire Coils for easier availability). Another Combo to look at would be one of the MVP 20watt or other MVP models, not the 2.0, and an Eleaf GS Air type tank, a very nice combination and the GS Air tanks are quite more reasonable in price and quite as stellar performers as the Nautilus tanks.

Thanks for the reply! I want to stay relatively low budget so I don't want to go too crazy with the bigger wattage ones, but the point about the 11w max on the 2.0 is a pretty clear bottleneck for the atomizer. I am leaning towards the iStick 30w because it seems to fill my criteria while being very affordable. Would you say that's a good idea?

 

[papler]

Hi and welcome. The MVP is of very good quality. BUT it is also built like a brick (size and weight). not really handy to carry around. If you don't mind to carry that extra weight around with ya then it's a good choice and will last you very long.
if you are looking for something smaller then I'd recommend a istick 40w or the coolfire IV. both work well with the nautilus or the GS Air tanks. the 30w istick is OK too but the 40w is almost the same prize and a newer model.

for the tank I can highly recommend the GS Air Tanks over the Nautilus. Flavor and vapor is on par with the Nautilus but it is a lot more hasselfree and cheaper. Also the coils tend to last longer with the GS.
I rarely use the Nautilus anymore and stick to Kabuki and GS Tanks.

there are some great deals out there for a Istick 40W kit that includes a GS tank (although with 0.15 TC coils; I recommend to buy some 1.2 or 1.5 ohm coils with it so you can test whether you like TC or normal VW mode)

 

[IMFire3605]

Thanks for the reply! I want to stay relatively low budget so I don't want to go too crazy with the bigger wattage ones, but the point about the 11w max on the 2.0 is a pretty clear bottleneck for the atomizer. I am leaning towards the iStick 30w because it seems to fill my criteria while being very affordable. Would you say that's a good idea?

The iStick30w is a solid unit just like the MVP, the MVP is a bit sturdier build wise and has the option of using as an external battery pack for a phone or such which has always been a strong point of them, large battery and use as a battery back up or charger for another device. Still the iStick since the 20watt hit the market, I've owned a 20watt, have 2 50watts and 1 30watt of the iSticks, great little mods and expandable, great for the price for a beginner or experienced vaper. But one of my most recommended starter units is the iStick30w with either the Nautilus Mini or Eleaf GS Air Tank series. So no, I was just throwing options out for you to look at when you mentioned the MVP2.0, I've owned the MVP 1.0 and still have a 2.0 running around somewhere in my gear stash, was my long time work and go out mod forever, both products are great products but throw-away with their internal battery packs, battery pack goes bad they are paper weights or into the recycle depot at that point.

Should last you about 6months to couple years depending on power output and use, all batteries we use have a life cycle measured in charge cycles, generally in the 200 to 300 charge cycles, so more completely deplete them and recharge them full, less life they will have, I try to extend their life by recharging at half charge, which almost doubles their life time, 200 to 600 half recharges.

 

[djsvapour]

... but the point about the 11w max on the 2.0 is a pretty clear bottleneck for the atomizer. I am leaning towards the iStick 30w because it seems to fill my criteria while being very affordable. Would you say that's a good idea?

A very good idea. Put it this way, the vaping 'crew' in the Uk can't even pass MVP 2.0s around to each other. They've become strictly beginner 'giveaways'
To be honest, they have reached $5 in value (used) and would now be atrocious value for money (new). Even $25 would be steep.
They were an epic mod in their day. Also.... they were the least returned mod to shops, which is amazing considering how many they sold.

 

[daleron]

Welcome to ECF Phil, make yourself right at home
I love my iStick 30w ...

 

[JeremyR]

You best experience would probably come from a temperature controlled mod. This will allow you to avoid the dreaded dry hits that are a problem for new vapors.

The price on this technology has come down dramatically and can be had for the 40.00+ range. TC / or temp control tanks in the 20.00+ range with replaceable heads. You can go the rebuildable route but that depends on how deep you want to go right away.

 

[dcfluegel]

howdy! and welcome!

 

[Phildepill]

Thanks for the replies and warm welcomes everyone! I think I will go for the iStick 40W and the GS Air Tank. Other than extra coils and e-juice is there anything else I should have just as a standard kit?


@papler

Thanks for the input, the 40w seems to be even less expensive than the 30w while being clearly higher in build quality which is a double plus for me. Do you know where I can find one of these box+tank deals? I have been looking for a while and can't find any combos.

@IMFire3605

Thanks for the advice on the tank and battery. I don't think that I will be using it too often so the half charge is good to know.

@djsvapour

Glad I asked about its relevance because that seems to be a common thing with older products.

@JeremyR

Thanks! Do you think the temp control really helps a lot compared to standard Voltage, Wattage, and Ohm settings? I don't think that I want to go rebuildable (I assume that is where the name "mod" comes from). Also is dry hitting a big problem if I keep a good amount of e-juice in my tank, I would think it is when I try to hit on too low an amount?

edit: I did some looking around and it seems that the iStick 40W has temp control.

 

[papler]

check out sweet-vapes.com. they have it in stock for 39.95. don't know about the vendor. have never ordered from them

dry hits can occur with a full tank as well as its depending on how the wick is saturated. but with gs coils (1.2 and 1.5) i've never experienced one. just stay within the watts they are made for and you're good

edit: yes the istick has TC but it can be shut off with the press of a button. the good thing is you can test whether you like and if not just stick with the normal coils as they work well with the gs tank

 

[JeremyR]

For a new vapor it will make your experience much much better quality wise.

Dry hits happen for many, many, many reasons other than a dry tank. As a new vapor you will have it happen many times, and even after that. Temp protection saves you from having a bad experience and burnt dry hits.

The gs air may have tc coils available I think., or there are lots of other options too, subtank, delta2, there's other popular ones too.

It is new tech but you will have magnitudes less problems imo.

 

[papler]

rebuildables, or RBAs in short, are tanks where you can build your own coils.
mods are what delivers the power to the coil. in your case the istick is the mod.

 

[gandymarsh]

Just a suggestion about the Eleaf GS Air clearos, The GS Air M is better than the original GS Air. It has better air flow control and it's easier to fill. The price is about the same. I've bought from sweet-vapes.com before and they have good prices and fast shipping.

 

[Phildepill]

Thank you everyone! I have decided on the iStick 40W and the GS Air M.

 

[Phildepill]

Well, sorry to bring this thread back. I am already set on what I am going to purchase, but I just saw another thread about exploding mods and it has me a bit paranoid, I heard it was only an issue with mods that have replaceable batteries/unregulated boxes so should I be safe from any explosions with my unit? Thanks.

P.S.- I'm assuming I should get the Nickel TC replacement coils to take advantage of the mod's TC. Will it be more precise than just standard coils in terms of options?

 

[NealBJr]

That person being injured seems to be front page news. Like I mentioned in a previous post, we don't know what device he used, but chances are, he was misusing it.

exploding ecigs have happened before. They have lithium batteries in them, and THAT'S what should be on focus here, not the fact that it was an ecig. Cellphone batteries explode as well, so do laptop batteries. But the fact that ecigs are new, and there is a proposal to limit them mean that they are on high focus at the moment. Do a google search for "died last week from accident", and you will see many stories of people dying.. mostly form car accidents. However those aren't making as much headlines as this ecig accident. Remember, the media is all about reporting things that scare you... sounds silly, but if if it doesn't catch your attention, then it wouldn't be reported. So, they report things and make it sound shocking. The truth is, he was probably using a mechanical mod, and probably pushing it past the limits.

I NEVER suggest a mechanical mod to a new person. Those should be for responsible people and experts only. Lithium ion batteries are not something to be taken lightly, and the man in the news made good evidence of that. If you get something with a built in battery, they don't design the mods to go past that battery's limits, and are MUCH safer. If you get replaceable batteries in a regulated device, you're still somewhat safer, but I would do some research on what type of battery, and where to get them from. Some batteries are safer than others, and if you skimp on the battery, you might be risking an explosion. So, do some research and you should be fine.


As far as the TC... TC offers the advantage of not getting a dry hit. When the coil gets hot enough, it either shuts or lowers the power to maintain the temperature that is set. It also has the ability to detect when there is not enough juice being boiled to cool down the coil, so it detects when it is running dry. So, it is a good option to get. I am still on Kanthal though, since I know how it reacts. IF you have a good enough wicking, you shouldn't have to worry about dry hits.. Wtih TC though, you at least have an option to go kanthal or TC, so I'd suggest getting a TC mod, even if you don't use it at first. it leaves options open.

 

[Phildepill]

Thanks! That's all I needed to know and more. Gonna go ahead and order my stuff and head over to the local shop and pick up some juice to gauge my preferred ratio before ordering juices online.