New vaper, percentage of perfumer's apprentice to use?

[PeytonMontana]

Hi,

I'm trying to completely quit smoking (mostly vaping now). I ordered 2 perfumer's apprentice pg based flavors: mint candy, spearmint.

I've been reading a lot of DIY guides and think I have a decent handle on things (sorta), but I keep reading that how much depends on how concentrated the flavors are. I was hoping someone here had an idea about that with PA?

I'm going to test some 5ml batches. Can anyone tell me "about" how much flavoring to add, or a good idea of a starting amount? I'm using a 80/20 vg/pg and I won't be adding any nicotine for these little test batches.

Thanks

 

[bombastinator]

Not specifically. Iirc the issue is some flavor companies dilute some flavors to the point of the least concentrated flavor so all flavors use the same amount of material. Iirc flavorwest is one of these. Some also don’t, so different flavorings within the same brand require different amounts for the same intensity. I do not know if PA is in the first group or the second.

 

[GOMuniEsq]

TPA flavors are not super-concentrated. At around 5% you can taste them, around 10% is pretty strong. Since it's mint though, you should start on the low end.

 

[bombastinator]

One thing you may want to consider: there are only two flavors and only one consumer: You.

This means all sorts of systems designed to create consistent and quality control simply don’t matter. Whatever percentage of flavor you like best is the right one by definition.

 

[Vishousness]

Not specifically. Iirc the issue is some flavor companies dilute some flavors to the point of the least concentrated flavor so all flavors use the same amount of material. Iirc flavorwest is one of these. Some also don’t, so different flavorings within the same brand require different amounts for the same intensity. I do not know if PA is in the first group or the second.

i made a list for all the flavors i got as i have also just starts made a start % for diy flavors list your palate may be different this in not a guide just a starting point reference ive been told to increase or decrease in increments proportional to the potency of the flavor also check out all the recipes dot com and look at the average usage % on each flavor you have i did that read review did alot fo single flavor testing ive been learning from my mistakes hope you do the same

TPA-Banana Cream-(5% Starting Point)

TPA-Bavarian Cream-(2-5% Standalone flavor and a medium steep 3 to 7 days)

TPA-Blackberry-(0.75% Or less- Potent)

TPA-Champagne-(1% Any higher it is old wine)

TPA-Cheesecake Graham Crust-(2-4% For my Palate)

TPA-Cherry Blossom-(3-5% To undertone things)

TPA-Coconut Candy-(1% Notes of Sunscreen taste from people)

TPA-Dragonfruit-(1% Accent & Higher % for main flavor)

TPA-Elderberry-(0.5%-1.5%)

TPA-French Vanilla Creme-(2-3%)

TPA-Graham Cracker Crust Clear-(0.25-1% Accent & 2-3% Primary // Biscuits/Bakeries 0.25-0.50% & Cereals 0.50-2%)

TPA-Guava-(0.5-1%)

TPA-Hibiscus-(5% Or less)

TPA-Honeydew-(2% Or less)

TPA-Honeysuckle-(3% Or less- Cracks tanks)

TPA-Huckleberry-(0.3 % Or less)

TPA-Jackfruit-(1-4% Accent & 5% Primary )

TPA-Juicy Peach-(5% Starting Point)

TPA-Lychee-(2% Max -Potent)

TPA-Marshmallow-(2% Standalone flavor and a short steep overnight to 3 days).

TPA-Nectarine-(4% Max)

TPA-Pear Candy-(1.5-2%)

TPA-Philippine Mango-(3-5% Accent & 8-10% Primary)

TPA-Quince-(0.5-1% Accent & 0.25-0.75% Primary- like apple and pear )

TPA-Ripe Strawberry-(5% Or less)

TPA-Rose Candy-(0.75% Max)

TPA-Strawberry-(6% Max for my Palate- Candy Strawberry)

TPA-Sweet Cream-(5% Max - Cheesy Vomit Higher than 5%)

TPA-Sweetener-(0.25-0.50% Max Tends to mute flavors)

TPA-Toasted Almond-(0.25% Bakeries, 1% Cream and custards, 2% max)

TPA-Toasted Almond-(0.25-1.5%- Higher Than 2% gets bitter)

TPA-Vanilla Swirl-(1-5% Accent Cream)

TPA-VBIC(Vanilla Bean Ice Cream)-(2-5% Can overpower a mix- Tastes peppery to some)

TPA-Watermelon-(5% Or less-Candy Watermelon)

TPA-Whipped Cream-(1-2.5% Accent & 5% Primary- Adds fluff/creamy texture)
these are my notes on the tpa stuff i have again this is my palate this in not a guide your maybe closer or complete different

 

[PeytonMontana]

i made a list for all the flavors i got as i have also just starts made a start % for diy flavors list your palate may be different this in not a guide just a starting point reference ive been told to increase or decrease in increments proportional to the potency of the flavor also check out all the recipes dot com and look at the average usage % on each flavor you have i did that read review did alot fo single flavor testing ive been learning from my mistakes hope you do the same

TPA-Banana Cream-(5% Starting Point)

TPA-Bavarian Cream-(2-5% Standalone flavor and a medium steep 3 to 7 days)

TPA-Blackberry-(0.75% Or less- Potent)

TPA-Champagne-(1% Any higher it is old wine)

TPA-Cheesecake Graham Crust-(2-4% For my Palate)

TPA-Cherry Blossom-(3-5% To undertone things)

TPA-Coconut Candy-(1% Notes of Sunscreen taste from people)

TPA-Dragonfruit-(1% Accent & Higher % for main flavor)

TPA-Elderberry-(0.5%-1.5%)

TPA-French Vanilla Creme-(2-3%)

TPA-Graham Cracker Crust Clear-(0.25-1% Accent & 2-3% Primary // Biscuits/Bakeries 0.25-0.50% & Cereals 0.50-2%)

TPA-Guava-(0.5-1%)

TPA-Hibiscus-(5% Or less)

TPA-Honeydew-(2% Or less)

TPA-Honeysuckle-(3% Or less- Cracks tanks)

TPA-Huckleberry-(0.3 % Or less)

TPA-Jackfruit-(1-4% Accent & 5% Primary )

TPA-Juicy Peach-(5% Starting Point)

TPA-Lychee-(2% Max -Potent)

TPA-Marshmallow-(2% Standalone flavor and a short steep overnight to 3 days).

TPA-Nectarine-(4% Max)

TPA-Pear Candy-(1.5-2%)

TPA-Philippine Mango-(3-5% Accent & 8-10% Primary)

TPA-Quince-(0.5-1% Accent & 0.25-0.75% Primary- like apple and pear )

TPA-Ripe Strawberry-(5% Or less)

TPA-Rose Candy-(0.75% Max)

TPA-Strawberry-(6% Max for my Palate- Candy Strawberry)

TPA-Sweet Cream-(5% Max - Cheesy Vomit Higher than 5%)

TPA-Sweetener-(0.25-0.50% Max Tends to mute flavors)

TPA-Toasted Almond-(0.25% Bakeries, 1% Cream and custards, 2% max)

TPA-Toasted Almond-(0.25-1.5%- Higher Than 2% gets bitter)

TPA-Vanilla Swirl-(1-5% Accent Cream)

TPA-VBIC(Vanilla Bean Ice Cream)-(2-5% Can overpower a mix- Tastes peppery to some)

TPA-Watermelon-(5% Or less-Candy Watermelon)

TPA-Whipped Cream-(1-2.5% Accent & 5% Primary- Adds fluff/creamy texture)
these are my notes on the tpa stuff i have again this is my palate this in not a guide your maybe closer or complete different

Thank you (and everyone), that is a big list of flavors! I had to laugh at "cheesy vomit" and "sunscreen" lol. But, I know what it feels like to taste something bad and be like "Now..what IS that flavor?" O_O

I'll start around 5% and see how that works.

Thanks again!

 

[Vishousness]

Thank you (and everyone), that is a big list of flavors! I had to laugh at "cheesy vomit" and "sunscreen" lol. But, I know what it feels like to taste something bad and be like "Now..what IS that flavor?" O_O

I'll start around 5% and see how that works.

Thanks again!

i would go up or down by 2.5% and start off by testing them on there own i see as im going im learning how to make more complex flavors if you need help hmu im a eginner just like you and if i can t help you with something thats means i should learn formyself too as a novice

 

[Vishousness]

this is a copy and paste not my info it off all the flavors mint candy Used in 40 recipes at an average of 3.13%. ,,,,,,, tpa spearmint Used in 118 recipes at an average of 1.034%.

 

[PeytonMontana]

Okay, thank you! I will start at 3% and move up from there as needed. I ordered some 306 attys to test these out so I don't have to keep using/cleaning coils (or by a devoted device).

 

[Izan]

Hi,

I'm trying to completely quit smoking (mostly vaping now). I ordered 2 perfumer's apprentice pg based flavors: mint candy, spearmint.

I've been reading a lot of DIY guides and think I have a decent handle on things (sorta), but I keep reading that how much depends on how concentrated the flavors are. I was hoping someone here had an idea about that with PA?

I'm going to test some 5ml batches. Can anyone tell me "about" how much flavoring to add, or a good idea of a starting amount? I'm using a 80/20 vg/pg and I won't be adding any nicotine for these little test batches.

Thanks

Hi and welcome,
No need to flounder about...
Go HERE and get the PDF. > DIY Getting started cheat sheet - good information gathered from ECF
It has a section at the end with percentages listed for multiple vendors in a very easy to read table format.

You are welcome.
I

 

[classwife]

Moved to DIY E-Liquid from General E-Liquid Discussion

 

[Letitia]

Okay, thank you! I will start at 3% and move up from there as needed. I ordered some 306 attys to test these out so I don't have to keep using/cleaning coils (or by a devoted device).

ELR recipes has a great flavor list tool
mint candy is pretty soft, I'd start at 7%, be prepared to go up
spearmint is strong and can get bitter, I'd start this one at 1%