New vaper who really really needs your help!

[Jay99]

Hello, I'm thinking of going down the vaping route and I have decided to buy an e-cig.

I was at first leaning to e-lites and vapestick but as I did the maths it worked out quite expensive. I tried the vapestick disposable from tescos and I loved the taste and from then on I've been hooked, I thought about buying the Vapestick max for £54.99 but it was a little expensive and it looked like a 510 rip off.

I'm going to buy my e-cig from liberty flights as they look like a good established company but I do have some questions.

Which is better, the riva 510 or the 901 (I've started doing my research and it looks like the 510's are better)

Boge, Kanger or Eliq, I can't find an explanation on the website and I would have placed my order already if they had made it a little clearer. I am really in a muddle with this and I don't understand what this means.


Do I choose the Carto deluxe



Or the starter kit


I really don't see the difference between the carto deluxe or the starter kit. Very confusing website layout! The reason I was attracted to the vapestick website was its brilliant layout and design.


What is the titanium Riva?


And do liberty flights sell pre filled cartridges? Or will I have to fill it up manually (Not a good idea since I make a huge mess filling printer ink cartridges)!

Thank you!

 

[Lost Boy]

Try vape escape and look at ego vision 900 start kit. This is a good place to start. EcigWizard are also a good suppler as is cloud9vaping...... use ecr69 a a discount code on all but cloud9 and you will get a discoun of 10-15%.....worth having!!
Grizwalds juice is also very nice......

Welcome to vaping!

I am fairly new too.....been at it for 9 weeks but am well in to variable voltage and have quite a nice little nice little kit building up. good luck

 

[jimbill]

Go with the boge deluxe cartomizer kit and buy some of these also 2.1 to 2.4 ohm lr Vision eGo and filling the e-juice is not hard at all order some 5ml bottles from lf untill you find one you like.

 

[sailorman]

Yep, out of those two screens, you want the Riva 510 Boge Cartomizer kit. All that means is that you'll get Boge cartomizers instead of the Kangers or Eliq cartos. The Boge cartomizer is tried and true, lasts a decent time and is pretty much newbie proof. You'll need some more cartomizers anyway, so you might as well pick up an extra pack of 2.5 boges, or something like that LR Vision eGo cartomizer that jimbill mentioned.

I'd say also to go with 510 over 901. There is a huge variety of cartomizers, tanks, atomizers, etc. with a 510 connection. It's become almost the standard of the industry. If you find a 901 device you'd like to try, you can always buy a 510/901 adapter. IIRC, most 901 devices fit on a 510 connector anyway.

Don't even mess with pre-filled cartos. Pre-filled cartos are for mini-ecigs and rank newbies. Filling cartos is much easier than filling printer cartridges and the juice quality is almost always far better. Go to Youtube and look for one of the million or so vids about filling cartos with the "condom method". You won't need a syringe or any special equipment, not even a condom!! Any 5 year old can do it and it's pretty mess free. If you fill you're cartomizers yourself, they can last a couple weeks or more. Pre-filled don't last nearly that long.

Another thing you will want to do is get a LR (2.1-2.5ohm) atomizer or two, plus one or two drip tips. The reason you want these is that your next real challenge, and the place you'll be spending the most money from here on out, will be finding a juice you like. Once you fill a cartomizer, it's pretty much committed to that juice. If you test it with an atomizer first, you just drip a few drops straight into the mouth of the atomizer, you won't end up wasting a cartomizer on a juice you find out you don't even like.

The Titanium Riva refers to a particular finish, nothing more.

I don't know what's available to you exactly, but my suggestion would be to get a kit similar to that Riva/Boge kit except instead of a Riva, get a 900 or 1000mah kGo instead. It runs at 3.7V, instead of 3.4V, has a much longer battery life and is always one of my top 2 recommendations for anyone moving up from a mini-cig type unit. The cost should be very, very close to the Riva kit as well.

The 510-T isn't nearly as good a unit.

 

[Vchick]

LF is a great company, awesome cs and if you haven't checked out their forum;
Liberty Flights

The 510 connection is more popular, boge and kanger are the most common. The Eliq carto is the same as a Riva T, Ce2 style cartomizer, it holds more liquid and doesn't mute the flavor like a boge and has a warmer vape. It does require a syringe to fill (which is included if you order that config). The US site doesn't offer them yet so I get those elsewhere.

I'd recommend the boge or eliq kit and ordering a atomizer and drip tip. You can easily test flavors with the atomizer and drip tip and when you want to commit to a flavor, fill up a carto and go.

hth!

 

[Jay99]

Thanks for the replies, for some reason I can't comment on the liberty flights forum or any other in fact!

What is the difference between boge and kanger? is eliq better? What is the difference between the three apart from the syringe bit?

I can't find the Kgo on liberty flights or on any e-cig website, is it expensive? Will it fit a 510 connection?

For the E-cig itself I'm not looking to spend more than £35.

Thanks!

p.s if I get my Riva 510 can I switch between Boge/kanger or eliq to find the best one for me or will the 510 only accept one of the three?

 

[bodrell]

Welcome Jay99...until you have five posts and the Powers That Be are assured you're not a spammer, you can't post to the other forums besides this one.

I'm not in the UK so am not sure what's available to you and don't know what a Kanger is; but I've bought a couple of KGO kits here and they are most definitely within your price range (in USD) and that would include a 5-pack of BOGE cartos. KGOs/eGos are 510 kits so anything 510 will work with it.

 

[Ratchet]

With a 510 threading you have so many more possibilities as far as accessories, I'd go that route!

 

[Vchick]

The Riva 510 will take all three, However, the eliq will only work on a riva style battery and not on a slim style battery (non ego/riva type) as the threading on those attach to the cone threading and not the inside threading like a traditional cartomizer.

The eliq coil is at the top of the cartomizer and doesn't use any filler, just wicks. It will produce a warmer vape and imho better flavor

The boge and kanger have the coil/s within the filler material, produce a decent vapor and muted flavor.

hth!

 

[Chrissie]

Hello & welcome Jay

I'm also in the UK & I agree that, even though LF is a good supplier, their website is confusing & the white text on black doesn't help

If you would like to check out some other good UK e-cig suppliers, have a look at this list (discount codes also shown) -

ALL ABOUT E-CIGARETTES UK - Recommended & new suppliers (e-cig/juice sellers)

Whatever you decide on, do go with an eGo/Riva type kit with a 510 thread. Battery life will be so much better than an E-lite.

 

[sailorman]

Thanks for the replies, for some reason I can't comment on the liberty flights forum or any other in fact!

What is the difference between boge and kanger? is eliq better? What is the difference between the three apart from the syringe bit?

I can't find the Kgo on liberty flights or on any e-cig website, is it expensive? Will it fit a 510 connection?

For the E-cig itself I'm not looking to spend more than £35.

Thanks!

p.s if I get my Riva 510 can I switch between Boge/kanger or eliq to find the best one for me or will the 510 only accept one of the three?

A boge and Kanger both have a polyester batting inside to hold the juice and wick it to the coil. The Boge has a traditional vertically oriented coil, located about near the middle of the carto. The Kanger has the coil horizontally oriented near the bottom. The Eliq has no batting and, theoretically, gives a cleaner taste. It also is more subject to wicking issues, especially with the thicker juices. That can result in dry hits and nasty taste.

If you get one of the eGo type devices any of the three will fit. The eGo devices include the eGo/Riva/kGo/Vgo/e-Power and probably some more that I'm forgetting. They are all based on a 510 threading pattern, but the connector is raised. Some of the devices, like the Eliq, have a skirt around their connector so they need that raised battery side connector. If you try to use them with a normal recessed 510 battery side connector, they won't fit without a 510/eGo adapter. Rule of thumb is that any 510 device will fit on an eGo type battery, but there are devices made specifically for ego type e-cigs that won't fit on other 510 e-cigs.

All of the eGo type devices will cost pretty much the same. For example, in the U.S., a kGo or e-Power kit both cost about $45. At current rates, you should be able to get any of the eGo style kits within your price range. The thing to keep in mind is that they are regulated devices. The eGo and Riva, AFAIK, are regulated to 3.4 Volts. The kGo and e-Power are 3.7V devices. That extra .3V makes a noticeable difference in the vapor quality. The Riva also has a smaller battery. 650mah is on the small side. If the actual physical size of the device isn't a big factor, you'll be better off to go ahead and get one of the 3.7V 900-1100mah models, like the kGo or e-Power. Not only will they last longer between recharges, they'll hold their voltage longer than a smaller battery.

 

[sailorman]

I just remembered something. In the U.S., Liberty Flights has their own version of a kgo called a Firefly. It's a 900mah device. I have a couple of them I use for backups and they've been really good, but they are 3.4V. If you can't find a kGo and have to get a 3.4V e-cig, you might want to look into that one. They very well could have it at their U.K. shop, since I think it's their own private label device.

 

[Chrissie]

A boge and Kanger both have a polyester batting inside to hold the juice and wick it to the coil. The Boge has a traditional vertically oriented coil, located about near the middle of the carto. The Kanger has the coil horizontally oriented near the bottom. The Eliq has no batting and, theoretically, gives a cleaner taste. It also is more subject to wicking issues, especially with the thicker juices. That can result in dry hits and nasty taste.

If you get one of the eGo type devices any of the three will fit. The eGo devices include the eGo/Riva/kGo/Vgo/e-Power and probably some more that I'm forgetting. They are all based on a 510 threading pattern, but the connector is raised. Some of the devices, like the Eliq, have a skirt around their connector so they need that raised battery side connector. If you try to use them with a normal recessed 510 battery side connector, they won't fit without a 510/eGo adapter. Rule of thumb is that any 510 device will fit on an eGo type battery, but there are devices made specifically for ego type e-cigs that won't fit on other 510 e-cigs.

All of the eGo type devices will cost pretty much the same. For example, in the U.S., a kGo or e-Power kit both cost about $45. At current rates, you should be able to get any of the eGo style kits within your price range. The thing to keep in mind is that they are regulated devices. The eGo and Riva, AFAIK, are regulated to 3.4 Volts. The kGo and e-Power are 3.7V devices. That extra .3V makes a noticeable difference in the vapor quality. The Riva also has a smaller battery. 650mah is on the small side. If the actual physical size of the device isn't a big factor, you'll be better off to go ahead and get one of the 3.7V 900-1100mah models, like the kGo or e-Power. Not only will they last longer between recharges, they'll hold their voltage longer than a smaller battery.

Excellent post Sailorman

Would just like to add that the Riva comes in other size batteries as well as 650mAh - up to 1100mAh

 

[sailorman]

Excellent post Sailorman

Would just like to add that the Riva comes in other size batteries as well as 650mAh - up to 1100mAh

Ahh... Thanks for the update. I hadn't seen a Riva in a long time. I don't think they're marketed very heavily here in the U.S. anymore.. Learn something every day.

 

[Jay99]

Thank you for all the information guys! Very helpful, just a few things I need to get my head round.
So far I'm leaning toward the Eliq, So correct me if I'm wrong
Boge and Kanger are sponge type, so you let the liquid drip through, Boge is better of the two?

Eliq is like a petrol tank, you fill it up like a syringe, so no sponge?
Eliq tastes better.

Is the eliq easier to fill because of the syringe?

To run and maintain the Eliq, will it be expensive? Do I have to replace the Eliq tank often like the Boge? Does the Boge require a new cartridge every time when its empty to refill?

If I buy a 650mah 510 can I replace the battery with a 1100mah? Whats the difference between a kgo and a riva 510? Just the battery?

Is the Riva 510 and e-go/kgo an identical product (bar the bigger battery) but a different brand?

Sorry for the newb questions (petrol tank!) just something that I can compare it to.


One more Q, what is the difference between the carto deluxe and starter kits on liberty flights? Very confusing

Thanks

 

[klynnn]

I'm new too and sailorman just made up my mind for me I'm getting the kgo. Thanks for the info to all.

 

[Chrissie]

Jay, I've never tried the eliq.

If I was you, I'd go for this Riva 1100 kit that I've recommended to so many people & they all love it (including my next door neighbours ) use discount code ECF10 for 10% off & ask at check out for the atomisers to be replaced with cartomisers & you will get 10 of them -

The Riva 1100 Deluxe Kit £34.95 - Deluxe Vaping Kits - Riva 1100 Kit Electronic Cigarettes | Vaping Devices | Accessories | E-Liquid

You will need some e-liquid as well.

You can refill cartomisers several times & depending on how heavily you vape, each one will last you from a couple of days to a couple of months.

 

[Klueless]

Sorry for invading Jay's post but I thought it was a good place to say I am also a newbie. Have had the ego t tank type b lr for a couple of weeks and I don't like it. It is leaky and inconsistent and I am just NOT getting the kind of kick with throat and chest hit that I need. I am a female who has smoked heavy for over 30 years, and not so geeked up on voltage and ohms... but I really need something that hits hard. Seems everywhere I look the best units seem to be these gigantic hookah looking things with tubes or bicycle pump rigs. I can't be toting something like that around.

Three weeks absolutely smoke free as of yesterday. I'm getting my fix but am really starting to crave a smoke and I do NOT want to ruin my good progress. I want something that makes me choke and cough if I want to. Can someone please give me a few ideas and direct me as to what to do? I understand I can use this battery and modify with a different atty, don't really want to fool with cartomizers. LOVE the tank system just sick of the leaking issues. This thing has leaked about half my liquid or I am vaping non-stop just trying to get a thick, fat hit. Help please? Someone? Anyone who know what they're talking about? I want a cig right now. ARGH!

 

[sailorman]

Klueless, if you don't want to fool with cartomizers, the only thing you're going to be able to do is use a low resistance atty, something about 1.25 or 1.5 ohms and a drip tip, and drip directly into your atomizer.

I do that myself occasionally, but you might not like having to drip 3 or 4 drops into your atomizer every 5 or 6 puffs or so.

Other than that, you'll either have to go the cartomizer route, or get a higher voltage PV, or both. In case you're thinking that a cartomizer will give you the kind of results you've been getting from your tank, they won't. IMO, there are a lot of better cartomizers out there that will give a stronger hit than your tank system. Your fundamental limitation here is the battery in the eGo, which IIRC, is only 3.4 Volts. If you want something that hits really hard, there are 2 ways to do it. One is increase your nicotine content for more throat hit. The more significant way is to increase your wattage and that means higher voltage and/or lower resistance. Since you can't do much about your voltage, all you can do is lower the resistance. With a 3.4V battery, the best you can do is use a 1.25 atomizer (if you can find one) or a 1.25ohm cartomizer and that will give you 9.2 Watts. That's a pretty strong vape. Most people like between 7 and 10 watts. If you want something stronger, you're going to have to upgrade into higher voltage where you can achieve 12-15 Watts or more.

If you really don't want to use cartomizers, you're going to have to drip. Get a good 1.5ohm bridgeless atomizer, or three, and a drip tip. Or, better yet, get a HH357 or a I06 atomizer, built specially for dripping. Those will give you plenty of choke. Short of getting an new PV, that's pretty much all you can do.

 

[sailorman]

Thank you for all the information guys! Very helpful, just a few things I need to get my head round.
So far I'm leaning toward the Eliq, So correct me if I'm wrong
Boge and Kanger are sponge type, so you let the liquid drip through, Boge is better of the two?

Yes, they both have a polyester filling. You soak the filling and add a few drops every now and then as you consume it so that the filling stays wet. It's debatable which is best. They both have their fans. Boge would probably win a poll on the issue.

Eliq is like a petrol tank, you fill it up like a syringe, so no sponge?
Eliq tastes better.
Is the eliq easier to fill because of the syringe?

Yes, the Eliq has no polyester filler. You fill it with a syringe, not like a syringe. It tastes better, when it's working properly. That's the hitch. Like all filler-less cartomizers, it is subject to the coil not getting enough juice, resulting in dry hits. It's dependent on the thickness of the juice you're using and how often you tip it, which also risks flooding it. When they work, they taste better. They're just not as reliable and consistent as the cartos with the filler. If they were, nobody would ever buy the cartos with the filler.

To run and maintain the Eliq, will it be expensive? Do I have to replace the Eliq tank often like the Boge? Does the Boge require a new cartridge every time when its empty to refill?

You top off the boge to keep it wet, so it never really goes empty. Sometimes they last a few days, sometimes a month. It depends on the juice, the heat and how wet you keep them. Eventually, they will start clogging up or they'll just burn out. They can be cleaned, and some people do it. But they're cheap enough that unless you're not doing anything else, it's really not worth the trouble. With the Eliq, whether they are cheaper in the long run depends on whether they can be dis-assembled and cleaned. I'm not sure if they're built that way.

If I buy a 650mah 510 can I replace the battery with a 1100mah? Whats the difference between a kgo and a riva 510? Just the battery?

Is the Riva 510 and e-go/kgo an identical product (bar the bigger battery) but a different brand?

No. All of those units are sealed batteries. They are what they are. The Riva puts out 3.4 volts. The kGo puts out 3.7 volts. Either one of them can be from 650 to 1100 mah. In terms of quality, they're both equally good. In terms of performance, not so much. They are different brands. The Riva has a Joye battery and electronics. The kGo is Smoketech.

Sorry for the newb questions (petrol tank!) just something that I can compare it to.

Never apologize for a question asked, only one un-asked.

One more Q, what is the difference between the carto deluxe and starter kits on liberty flights? Very confusing

Thanks

The Carto Deluxe is based on a Riva and cartomizers. The Starter kit is a "skinny" 510 battery with an atomizer and a tank that is specifically designed for it. The carto deluxe is a far better kit. The starter kit is based on a 510-T tank system and it bites. Regardless, you'll still be better off with a larger battery, higher voltage kGo or similar kit. If you can't find a 3.7V device, the Riva 1100mah that Chrissie recommended is still only 3.4V, but at least it is a larger battery and far better than that 510 starter kit you were looking at.