New York local station NY1 report 3/26/2013

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NY1 is a local station in New York City owned and operated by Time Warner. They aired a "man on the street" interview piece with commentary from a doctor this morning. The reporter interviewed an uninformed user, IMO, and then interviewed a doctor who is not friendly to e-cigarettes.

NY1 has limited access to anyone who is not a Time Warner customer. However, the full text from their site follows:
As public pressure mounts on smokers to quit, many are turning to alternative means to get their nicotine fix, such as electronic cigarettes, but there is still very little public information about this recent smoking trend. NY1's Health reporter Erin Billups filed the following report.


"Paul" is among the 21 percent of smokers who have tried electronic cigarettes, a device that heats up liquid nicotine into a vapor. Speaking with NY1 in Chelsea, he does not want to show his face on camera, because of the growing public sentiment against smoking.

He says he bought e-cigs to try to quit smoking.

"It's something that's better than smoking a full cigarette of nicotine and stuff like that. They say it's better," Paul says.

This common assumption explains why more people are flocking to it. The Centers for Disease Control says about 6 percent of all adults tried e-cigs in 2011, double the number of those that tried it in 2010.

While the CDC admits e-cigs do appear to have far fewer toxins than traditional cigarettes, the agency and Dr. Jonathan Whiteson at the Rusk Institute of Rehabilitation Medicine in NYU Langone Medical Center caution that the new technology should not be seen as a way to quit smoking.

"Each manufacturer will claim a certain amount of nicotine is in the vapor on each puff, but that has not been proven scientifically," says Whiteson.

Many, including Paul, do not really know what they are inhaling.

"I've never read the full ingredients, which probably isn't exactly good," he says.

Chemicals known to cause cancer seem to be present in e-cigs' vapor.

"We have had some preliminary studies that implicate some chemicals like nitrosamines and diethlyene glycol are in the nicotine vapor," Whiteson says. "This is not the kind of chemical you should be exposing yourself to or allowing your children to be exposed to."

E-cigs are not federally regulated, so it is pretty easy for anyone, including children, to get their hands on them. Online, I just need to enter my birthday and pay with a credit card and they arrive in a couple of days.

"I'd like to know a little bit more about the ingredients and what actually goes into something that you're inhaling into your lungs, absolutely," Paul says.

The FDA is in the process of trying to regulate the new technology, which is already becoming a contentious fight with e-cig manufacturers.

This is the kind of reporting that does not help our cause, and it seems unfair to pit uninformed users on the street against medical doctors.

ETA: Erin Billups is the reporter of the piece. The user interviewed also did not want his face on camera, so was wearing a hood at the time. It definitely does not help the perception of e-cig users. Additionally, the doctor interviewed did not seem to be an expert regarding e-cigarettes or the most informed.
 
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I agree. Interview a untrained person from the street, and then have a doctor with nothing more than personal feelings is not conducive to our cause. Just because someone has a doctors degree, doesn't make them a specialist in all fields.

NY1 is a local station in New York City owned and operated by Time Warner. They aired a "man on the street" interview piece with commentary from a doctor this morning. The reporter interviewed an uninformed user, IMO, and then interviewed a doctor who is not friendly to e-cigarettes.

NY1 has limited access to anyone who is not a Time Warner customer. However, the full text from their site follows:
As public pressure mounts on smokers to quit, many are turning to alternative means to get their nicotine fix, such as electronic cigarettes, but there is still very little public information about this recent smoking trend. NY1's Health reporter Erin Billups filed the following report.


"Paul" is among the 21 percent of smokers who have tried electronic cigarettes, a device that heats up liquid nicotine into a vapor. Speaking with NY1 in Chelsea, he does not want to show his face on camera, because of the growing public sentiment against smoking.

He says he bought e-cigs to try to quit smoking.

"It's something that's better than smoking a full cigarette of nicotine and stuff like that. They say it's better," Paul says.

This common assumption explains why more people are flocking to it. The Centers for Disease Control says about 6 percent of all adults tried e-cigs in 2011, double the number of those that tried it in 2010.

While the CDC admits e-cigs do appear to have far fewer toxins than traditional cigarettes, the agency and Dr. Jonathan Whiteson at the Rusk Institute of Rehabilitation Medicine in NYU Langone Medical Center caution that the new technology should not be seen as a way to quit smoking.

"Each manufacturer will claim a certain amount of nicotine is in the vapor on each puff, but that has not been proven scientifically," says Whiteson.

Many, including Paul, do not really know what they are inhaling.

"I've never read the full ingredients, which probably isn't exactly good," he says.

Chemicals known to cause cancer seem to be present in e-cigs' vapor.

"We have had some preliminary studies that implicate some chemicals like nitrosamines and diethlyene glycol are in the nicotine vapor," Whiteson says. "This is not the kind of chemical you should be exposing yourself to or allowing your children to be exposed to."

E-cigs are not federally regulated, so it is pretty easy for anyone, including children, to get their hands on them. Online, I just need to enter my birthday and pay with a credit card and they arrive in a couple of days.

"I'd like to know a little bit more about the ingredients and what actually goes into something that you're inhaling into your lungs, absolutely," Paul says.

The FDA is in the process of trying to regulate the new technology, which is already becoming a contentious fight with e-cig manufacturers.

This is the kind of reporting that does not help our cause, and it seems unfair to pit uninformed users on the street against medical doctors.

ETA: Erin Billups is the reporter of the piece. The user interviewed also did not want his face on camera, so was wearing a hood at the time. It definitely does not help the perception of e-cig users. Additionally, the doctor interviewed did not seem to be an expert regarding e-cigarettes or the most informed.
 

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well here i am again getting all mad. i hate that they say kids can get them... what kid has a effing credit card. ugh infuriating. kids drink but noone cares because "kids will be kids" god this stuff really makes me mad.
I can add to that...the NY State legislature passed a law to make selling e-cigarettes illegal to anyone under 18. In my mind, that bit of reporting is intended to make it seem as if the websites are careless or actively marketing to minors.
 

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"Each manufacturer will claim a certain amount of nicotine is in the vapor on each puff, but that has not been proven scientifically," says Whiteson.

So? Have they proven scientifically exactly how much is in each puff off of a cigarette, considering how smokers don't all "puff" the same way?

Chemicals known to cause cancer seem to be present in e-cigs' vapor. "We have had some preliminary studies that implicate some chemicals like nitrosamines and diethlyene glycol are in the nicotine vapor," Whiteson says. "This is not the kind of chemical you should be exposing yourself to or allowing your children to be exposed to."

"Seem to be?" What does that mean? They have NEVER found carcinogens or diethylene glycol in the vapor. The FDA found trace amounts of tobacco-specific nitrosamines in SOME of the 18 samples it tested (but not most) and it was NOT found in the vapor (it was found in the liquid only) and the levels found must be considered harmless by the FDA because that is what can also be found in FDA-approved nicotine gums and patches.

The diethylene glycol was found in only ONE cartridge tested by the FDA (and NOT in the vapor) and it was at a level so low, someone would have to DRINK the liquid from THOUSANDS of cartridges to reach a toxic level. No tests other than the FDA test has found any DEG since. So, in the unlikely event DEG was in other cartridges and able to get into the vapor, there is no way it poses a health risk to anyone. It is a complete lie to be making the suggestion that DEG seems to be commonly found in all or most e-cig vapor.
 

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So? Have they proven scientifically exactly how much is in each puff off of a cigarette, considering how smokers don't all "puff" the same way?...
...So, in the unlikely event DEG was in other cartridges and able to get into the vapor, there is no way it poses a health risk to anyone. It is a complete lie to be making the suggestion that DEG seems to be commonly found in all or most e-cig vapor.
Please contact the station at the links above. I have already written to them as a NYer, and suggested that they contact someone from CASAA (since you guys are much more well-versed in this than I am). Our mayor, Bloomberg, has been an avid opponent of all things tobacco and he has tried including e-cigarettes in some of his policies. I am sure most of the US is aware of Bloomberg's "crusade" against gun violence, but he is one of the "Nanny State" type of local leaders. His attitudes and policies have definitely permeated local reporting. It seems as if the reporters are intentionally reflecting his views instead of offering balanced reporting.
 

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Please contact the station at the links above. I have already written to them as a NYer, and suggested that they contact someone from CASAA (since you guys are much more well-versed in this than I am). Our mayor, Bloomberg, has been an avid opponent of all things tobacco and he has tried including e-cigarettes in some of his policies. I am sure most of the US is aware of Bloomberg's "crusade" against gun violence, but he is one of the "Nanny State" type of local leaders. His attitudes and policies have definitely permeated local reporting. It seems as if the reporters are intentionally reflecting his views instead of offering balanced reporting.
You must remember he is worth 60 billion dollars. He and George Soros who is close to Bloomberg in wealth can manage a lot of things--including favorable press. Must be pretty heady power!
 

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You must remember he is worth 60 billion dollars. He and George Soros who is close to Bloomberg in wealth can manage a lot of things--including favorable press. Must be pretty heady power!
Trust me, I remember and am reminded daily. However, an elected official should be considering the constituents instead of pushing his personal agenda despite his wealth.
 

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He bought himself a 3rd term but after the bus strike, the attempted soda ban, and now pushing for no visible cigarettes in stores he'll soon be out. My wife told me the other day "If I ever see him in person I'd love to choke him out."

Our son goes to school 45 mins away because of special needs and this mayor went to war against the bus union, decided it would be ok if all NYC children found their own damn way to class and back home until he got what he wanted.
 

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He bought himself a 3rd term but after the bus strike, the attempted soda ban, and now pushing for no visible cigarettes in stores he'll soon be out. My wife told me the other day "If I ever see him in person I'd love to choke him out."

Our son goes to school 45 mins away because of special needs and this mayor went to war against the bus union, decided it would be ok if all NYC children found their own damn way to class and back home until he got what he wanted.
This is all true, and I'm sorry for your family. I have no love for our mayor. I do think, however, that his administration is setting a precedent for policy that will continue beyond his tenure. Time Warner is not helping either, honestly, with the type of reporting that they are now putting out to the uninformed general public. NY1 has devolved into a constant stream of opinions as opposed to traditional reporting. In this case, it is really hurting our lifestyle in ways that has convinced others (non-vapers) that vaping is just as bad or worse than cigarettes. I have had several conversations with people in the last couple of days regarding this, and it is incredibly frustrating.
 
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