Officials report biggest fall in adult smoking in decades

[bigdogsam]

And that was what I had suggested before, $1,000 a year per each smoker. At 9 million that's 9 billion a year lost. Multiply that for five years & you get 45 billion lost in 5 years.

@Dave M suggested the $6,000 a year figure. I met in the middle at $3,500 a year. Either way I still see it as a metric poop ton of money that fits as a clear motive.

Thanks for the new unit of measure

And I agree, mucho metric poop ton

 

[bigdogsam]

There now. Good summary of the situation. Congrats.

Let's get vaping out of tobacco legislation.

Good luck.

First thing I did when all this legislative bs came up was research where nicotine comes from. Unfortunately while it is present in some other plants, it's main source is tobacco. No other plant I have found yet has it in quanities high enough to extract it from effectively (please let me know if I am wrong).

It would be awesome if Nicotine could be produced completely separate from tobacco to completely remove this association. If only there was some other medicinal compound we could use in vaping ;-) Unfortunately I don't live in an enlightened state like Colorado or Washington.

 

[bigdogsam]

I would like to know in which way cigarettes are sold to circumvent those other laws, where do your cigarettes come from, and is there a nicotine fairy that comes by after you purchase them and adds the nicotine, and does this fairy have like diplomatic immunity or something to avoid prosecution? Are shop owners selling these cigarettes subject to "the law as it is categorized as a class 5 poison"?

IMO when a law is not being enforced, it is time to change it. Either outright ban all tobacco sales and imports or allow tobacco related ingredients such as nicotine to be purchased / used, etc within safe guidelines. (Maybe no person shall have more than 1L nicotine in their possession and must be stored safely).. something like that..

Obviously, you can buy cigarettes. and these "laws" are being.. less than strictly enforced... I wonder if the shop owners could then start selling other "controlled recreational substances" *(badger badger badger badger.. [Moderated]) and such.. lol.

*if you don't get the reference, just google it. You should find an annoying swf file and a song that sticks in your head for days*

@GBalkam

The "Golden Rule" seems to be the problem on our side of the globe also. "He who has the Gold Makes the Rules".

The political issues we seem to be having with vaping point to an major overall problem which impacts all of us daily. I hope that vaping legislation finally wakes people up to the major impact that large corporate interests have on our rights as both consumers and humans.

Big Tobacco could have come up with a safer, less addictive product years ago. It took independent inventors to come up with vaping and the smoking public is slowly waking up. Hopefully before Big Tobacco and Big pharma can monopolize this too.People here (US) complain and don't vote, I say vote and vote the incumbents out. As screwed up as things are now, if you've been in office for 20 plus years, you are part of the problem, votem em out.

 

[MyMagicMist]

As screwed up as things are now, if you've been in office for 20 plus years, you are part of the problem, votem em out.

I would vote if it actually did anything. It ought to be clear with the way this year's primaries went, this one had all the votes they need but the other one got it because they got some super pac vote and the votes of the people didn't make a hill of beans. Why bother voting if our vote no longer matters, if it ever did?

We could vote using our money but in truth it's their money anyway. That won't matter either, they'll add more zeros to their accounts when their funds get low. I would say we could not be labor for them but it is clear automation makes that moot as well. Ultimately, they have no further need of us, the people. What frightens them is we outnumber them.

Although, I'm sure soon enough we'll start seeing vast epidemics be all the rave. Years on they'll look back and find the microbes, bacteria, viruses that caused the epidemics were unloaded from some biological warfare agency under this or that government's care at behest of some one with over trillions or their billionaire minions. I dislike seeing such dystopia visions yet it is what it is, all you need to do is go look up some daily media reading.

Please comprehend, I'm not frightened of it in the least. I am either too nuts, too courageous, too dumb, too stubborn or a combination of these in good measure, or maybe I've a few aces in hand? ;) Excuse me, off to try having fun.

 

[Downgraded286]

I agree about the money trail. Big Tobacco, Big Pharma and the government are all hurting due to loss of revenue from ex-smoker vapers. As for me, even in they manage to take vaping away, I won't let them have my money. I refuse to play their game. Even if I can't vape, every day that goes on I can at least lean a little bit on the comfort I'll have knowing every day that goes by without handing my money over to them I'll be hurting those #$%$#^ a little bit more.