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I am back in the vaping game, 12 days in. I noticed last Friday that my right shoulder muscle was bothering me. Thinking I was feeling my age, been rubbing medicine on it. It is so sore by the evening, can barely lift my arm? It's just one muscle and I thought maybe I pulled something until my sil, who is trying to vape more than smoke over the last weekend, mentioned her shoulder hurting. I thought it was an odd coincidence...but now I'm not so sure?

Also, having some headaches, dull at times and nothing seems to knock it out?

Would love to hear others aches and pains :)
 

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I don't know about the muscle aches.

I had some headaches until I got my nic level right. The original juice I bought was too strong. With a lower nic level juice I am not having this problem anymore. I could see that happening if the nic level was too low also. I distinctly remember massive headaches when I tried to go off analogs cold turkey a few times in my past.

If the shoulder does not improve see a doctor.
 

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i just started vaping bout 3 months solid now..only time i felt weird was the time i slowly discontinued smoking anolog cigs. Head aches body felt weird and what not..was either the side effects of converting to vaping or just the liquid i was on.But everyone said it was the liquid..i do regular extreme sports aggressive inline..and i do put alot of stress onto my body. and if you've probably pulled a muscle on the same area..it will happen again in the future..older we get..easier to sustain injuries and takes a hell of a time to recover =P..but nothing vape related..hope this helps..kuddos :vapor:
 

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Thank you for the responses. I have thought that my nicotine level could be too high, all I have is 24mg. I currently have an order coming for 18mg, gonna look at some 12mg. The headaches come and go, sometimes more bothersome than others. But this shoulder thing seems odd...especially since I don't recall "doing" anything to it. I thought maybe I slept on it weird or something, but normally am a left side-sleeper.
 

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Curlygirl..probably happens during the time you sleep..as i have a tendency to toss and turn..went to see a chiropractor as i had a bad injury with by back, even he noticed that my sleeping condition as inadequate..=P..but i had pulled my muscles a couple of times during my sleep and waking up sore where it happened (^^)
 

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Thank you for the responses. I have thought that my nicotine level could be too high, all I have is 24mg. I currently have an order coming for 18mg, gonna look at some 12mg. The headaches come and go, sometimes more bothersome than others. But this shoulder thing seems odd...especially since I don't recall "doing" anything to it. I thought maybe I slept on it weird or something, but normally am a left side-sleeper.

Honestly the reason I said see a doctor on the shoulder. Is my hubby who never smoked suddenly developed that sort of shoulder pain in his late 30's. It turned out to be the beginnings of a mild form of arthritis. Easily controlled with exercise and OTC pain killers. But it is something you need to know about early.
 

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I haven't had any muscle aches related to vaping, I did get dull headaches at times during the first few months. Also a bit of nausea too. It took me a while to figure it out but I thought it might be the nicotine level I was using, plus I was vaping away like a maniac. I couldn't help it though haa I was so in love and excited to get into vaping. I lowered my nic level from 18mg down to 12mg and it really helped me, no more headaches or nausea! Try lowering your nic and see how that works for you. However if you started vaping at a low nic level then it might be the opposite for you in that case try raising your nicotine a bit. I hope this helps, maybe check with your doctor tho if your symptoms continue.
 

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i get achey muscles but i think that is because i am sitting in front of ecf without getting up and going downstairs/outside to smoke LOL

seriously tho i do think that detox is something to consider. your shoulder might have been an unnoticeable issue while smoking and the detox just magnified it. you also might be sleeping more soundly in one position rather than sleep "stretching" :)
 

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Honestly the reason I said see a doctor on the shoulder. Is my hubby who never smoked suddenly developed that sort of shoulder pain in his late 30's. It turned out to be the beginnings of a mild form of arthritis. Easily controlled with exercise and OTC pain killers. But it is something you need to know about early.

Myrany,

My mother has deg. bone disease, rheumatoid arthritis, curvature of the spine...just a little bone mess :( I have had hip issues, a bad back injury in my early twenties....I have talked to several GP's about this and they just blow me off :(. I will remain persistent, hopefully someone will listen. Since it kinda happened at the same time as my vaping began, I was just curious if others might have been bothered by it.

The headaches are probably too much or too heavy mg of nicotine. I received some new juice today, 18mg, so it already seems better. Am gonna order some 12 too, just to see if this might help :)

Thanks for the reply :)
 

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i felt some aches and pains my first week then brought it to a pro vaper i know...he told me to make sure i am drinking enough water...helped me out quite a bit....now i sit at the computer with a big glass of water and my juice of choice for a nice ecf session and dont wake up with the sore throat and aches any more....not that the vaping caused the aches and pains either but im sure the h2o helped that too
 

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Myrany,

My mother has deg. bone disease, rheumatoid arthritis, curvature of the spine...just a little bone mess :( I have had hip issues, a bad back injury in my early twenties....I have talked to several GP's about this and they just blow me off :(. I will remain persistent, hopefully someone will listen. Since it kinda happened at the same time as my vaping began, I was just curious if others might have been bothered by it.

Ouch!

You know, I have genetic mess of a family myself. We've got a weird, slightly misaligned pair of neck vertebrae that can get inflamed and pinch a nerve that, so help me, loves to "mimic" things like heart attack symptoms among it's many other fun tricks. My brother and I (darkly, yes) joke, "How are we gonna tell if it's a real heart attack?"

(Actually, sometimes I wonder... don't dwell on it or anything but the thought pops up now and again)

I also was, over the years, involved in three rather serious car wrecks. None my fault. In fact, one, I was just the passenger when somebody tried to "beat" a light and hit my side of the car. So I get aches and pains (especially as I get older) that 99% of the time, I couldn't even begin to pin down what started which.

Meaning, it could be sheer coincidence that the muscle type aches started up the same time as vaping. And a back injury? Oh boy. Those love to mess with you. That's probably one of the main things that cause people to end up "hooked" on pain killers. A bad back can cause any number of crazy aches and pains. I got a second weird vertebrae that's not as bad as the family neck thing but there's this one stupid spot in my midback that when it gets upset at me, look out. The pain is never severe just relentless.

Anywho, that said, nicotine is a stimulant kind of thing. I've never had it do muscle aches with me but I've gotten "jittery" sometimes like too much coffee. And thinking about the coffee thing, times I've had too much caffeine, I do notice being more... aware (?) of aches and pains that I live with and usually ignore. Or maybe it's that being overstimulated makes muscles tighten up?

I could see too much of a stimulant making you achy.

The headaches are probably too much or too heavy mg of nicotine. I received some new juice today, 18mg, so it already seems better. Am gonna order some 12 too, just to see if this might help :)

Yeah, headaches and nausea are definite "back off the nicotine" signs.

One thing I'm starting to wonder (I'm not a "noob" so much now but I'm still pretty new... intermediate noob? :) ) is whether people who start (or I guess restart in your case) vaping don't pretty much inevitably "chain vape" at least at the beginning.

A couple of things seem to be going on. One is that the (most effective in nicotine absorption) inhale is different. And smoking is habitual. We have to shift long term habits. That can take a bit of time. The other is that the nicotine absorption is slower than cigs (which can get the stuff into your blood stream and to your brain in as little as 6 or 7 seconds according to studies I've seen) and that each puff may have less available nicotine than a "drag" on a cig.

Started thinking about this because I've seen a couple of conflicting studies out there. One, the researcher claimed vaping was a total fraud because nobody in his tests got any nicotine at all. But as I recall, he didn't have any experienced vapers. Just smokers he handed e-cigs to. At least one other study with experienced vapers showed the same level of nicotine in the blood as with smokers.

So that suggested to me that new (or newly restarted) vapers may have an adjustment period to hit their personal... oh... call it "sweet spot" of getting their nicotine. I know at the beginning, I vaped like a crazy person. Like I needed a way to just permanently attach the PV to my head and run a tube to my mouth. :)

And since I was a heavy smoker, I thought, "I should start about 24mg from what I've read".

Oooo. No. Bad idea.

(If nothing else, I gave myself "vaper's tongue" and that's just no fun at all!)

So I cut it in half, dropping back to 12mg. Now I'm starting to come back up with 18 and some 24. I vary it in fact. The flavors I really, really like, I'm keeping at 12. I tend to vape a lot of them just because I like them. I have some that are higher for times like when I just get up and have that "first cig of the day" urge or after eating (which was actually the harder of the two to break for me, something I didn't expect, I thought that morning cig would be the last to go).

Definitely try some lower nic. Maybe even nab a small sample of 6 or so. Also, something I found is you want to slow down in general. The absorption of the nic in vaping is in the mouth and nasal passages. And it's a slower absorption. As smokers, we all got used to getting the smoke in quick so the nic (among all the other chemicals they shove in cigs) hit the blood stream fast. With vaping, it's a more... relaxed thing. Find liquids you like to, oh, "savor". You know, spend more time with. Hold longer in the mouth because you enjoy the taste. That seems to improve the nic absorption of the puff.

Also, when it's a flavor you like, it's just gosh darn tasty! :)

(Okay, who wound Mark up this morning? He's being long winded again. Yeesh. I need an editor to cut my posts down or something.)
 

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Hey Curlygirl, was just checking in to see how you were doing. Sorry to hear about all those bone issues, those things do tend to 'pass down' don't they; keep after those doc's and good luck with the different mg's!:vapor:

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Thank you for checking on me <3. I am feeling a little better. Arm is still a little tender, not as bad. Yes, they pass down...all the bad stuff seems too :)

Ouch!

You know, I have genetic mess of a family myself. We've got a weird, slightly misaligned pair of neck vertebrae that can get inflamed and pinch a nerve that, so help me, loves to "mimic" things like heart attack symptoms among it's many other fun tricks. My brother and I (darkly, yes) joke, "How are we gonna tell if it's a real heart attack?"

(Actually, sometimes I wonder... don't dwell on it or anything but the thought pops up now and again)

I also was, over the years, involved in three rather serious car wrecks. None my fault. In fact, one, I was just the passenger when somebody tried to "beat" a light and hit my side of the car. So I get aches and pains (especially as I get older) that 99% of the time, I couldn't even begin to pin down what started which.

Meaning, it could be sheer coincidence that the muscle type aches started up the same time as vaping. And a back injury? Oh boy. Those love to mess with you. That's probably one of the main things that cause people to end up "hooked" on pain killers. A bad back can cause any number of crazy aches and pains. I got a second weird vertebrae that's not as bad as the family neck thing but there's this one stupid spot in my midback that when it gets upset at me, look out. The pain is never severe just relentless.

Anywho, that said, nicotine is a stimulant kind of thing. I've never had it do muscle aches with me but I've gotten "jittery" sometimes like too much coffee. And thinking about the coffee thing, times I've had too much caffeine, I do notice being more... aware (?) of aches and pains that I live with and usually ignore. Or maybe it's that being overstimulated makes muscles tighten up?

I could see too much of a stimulant making you achy.



Yeah, headaches and nausea are definite "back off the nicotine" signs.

One thing I'm starting to wonder (I'm not a "noob" so much now but I'm still pretty new... intermediate noob? :) ) is whether people who start (or I guess restart in your case) vaping don't pretty much inevitably "chain vape" at least at the beginning.

A couple of things seem to be going on. One is that the (most effective in nicotine absorption) inhale is different. And smoking is habitual. We have to shift long term habits. That can take a bit of time. The other is that the nicotine absorption is slower than cigs (which can get the stuff into your blood stream and to your brain in as little as 6 or 7 seconds according to studies I've seen) and that each puff may have less available nicotine than a "drag" on a cig.

Started thinking about this because I've seen a couple of conflicting studies out there. One, the researcher claimed vaping was a total fraud because nobody in his tests got any nicotine at all. But as I recall, he didn't have any experienced vapers. Just smokers he handed e-cigs to. At least one other study with experienced vapers showed the same level of nicotine in the blood as with smokers.

So that suggested to me that new (or newly restarted) vapers may have an adjustment period to hit their personal... oh... call it "sweet spot" of getting their nicotine. I know at the beginning, I vaped like a crazy person. Like I needed a way to just permanently attach the PV to my head and run a tube to my mouth. :)

And since I was a heavy smoker, I thought, "I should start about 24mg from what I've read".

Oooo. No. Bad idea.

(If nothing else, I gave myself "vaper's tongue" and that's just no fun at all!)

So I cut it in half, dropping back to 12mg. Now I'm starting to come back up with 18 and some 24. I vary it in fact. The flavors I really, really like, I'm keeping at 12. I tend to vape a lot of them just because I like them. I have some that are higher for times like when I just get up and have that "first cig of the day" urge or after eating (which was actually the harder of the two to break for me, something I didn't expect, I thought that morning cig would be the last to go).

Definitely try some lower nic. Maybe even nab a small sample of 6 or so. Also, something I found is you want to slow down in general. The absorption of the nic in vaping is in the mouth and nasal passages. And it's a slower absorption. As smokers, we all got used to getting the smoke in quick so the nic (among all the other chemicals they shove in cigs) hit the blood stream fast. With vaping, it's a more... relaxed thing. Find liquids you like to, oh, "savor". You know, spend more time with. Hold longer in the mouth because you enjoy the taste. That seems to improve the nic absorption of the puff.

Also, when it's a flavor you like, it's just gosh darn tasty! :)

(Okay, who wound Mark up this morning? He's being long winded again. Yeesh. I need an editor to cut my posts down or something.)

Thank you for your post! I did back off the heavier stuff, went down to 16mg, seems to have helped :).. 3 wrecks, my lord...
No editor needed, loved reading your post!

headaches- hydrate, hydrate, hydrate. once you detox aches and pains should subside a little. stay strong. keep vaping

That is my biggest hurdle...I don't like water...so, I love tea, that and pepsi...I will try to drink more water, maybe that is the ticket! I am doing good really, still no analogs, day 15 :D....thanks to all for the support :)
 

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I was a 12-pack a day diet pepsi drinker before vaping. I HATED water (mind you the water is awful here and bottled is tasteless to me).

I just made myself drink the water. It is like my body knew what it needed and before I knew it I was guzzling the stuff all the time and not really missing the pepsi so much.

Now I am drinking 3-4 Liters of water a day and maybe 2 cans of pepsi. I feel better and no more burning skin from dehydrated acidy sweat on my skin.
 

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    or after eating (which was actually the harder of the two to break for me, something I didn't expect, I thought that morning cig would be the last to go).
    Ooooo - that's been a tough one for me, getting there tho'.
    ...I don't like water - me neither but I'm forcing myself now that I've read all the advise on ECF - get some of that stuff to flavor your water or just add a little lemon juice to flavor it. Anything to break the boredom. Besides, water is great for your skin:)
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