Newbie DIY Question #2! Pls advise!

[Ralikar]

So I was initially looking for just a drop to add to my juice and you all answered that. But now I went over to Wizard labs and saw HOW CHEAP!!! This is!! OMG! OMG!! So I'm vaping JC which is PG.

My question: What stops me from ordering a 60mg/nic bottle from wizards labs and mixing it with a same sized PG bottle to create a 30mg/ml stock solution (I vape 10-24 or so). Then tossing in some of their flavors and "playing" around until I get a simple vape I enjoy (meaning one core flavor).

Cause JC is like $16/30ml... And it looks like wizard labs I can get 120ml/$8 plus the cost of the flavor %.

Am I missing some ingredients? Anything else?

I really don't want to get sucked into DIY but 3-4 solid, simple fun flavors that are waaayyyyy cheaper than ordering them would be cool!

TY!​

 

[Rocketman]

Learn the math, or find an on-line calculator you trust.

Learn a little about nic safety.

And yes, it is that easy.

Start small.

Have fun, be safe.

 

[dragonbone]

So I was initially looking for just a drop to add to my juice and you all answered that. But now I went over to Wizard labs and saw HOW CHEAP!!! This is!! OMG! OMG!! So I'm vaping JC which is PG.

My question: What stops me from ordering a 60mg/nic bottle from wizards labs and mixing it with a same sized PG bottle to create a 30mg/ml stock solution (I vape 10-24 or so). Then tossing in some of their flavors and "playing" around until I get a simple vape I enjoy (meaning one core flavor).

Cause JC is like $16/30ml... And it looks like wizard labs I can get 120ml/$8 plus the cost of the flavor %.

Am I missing some ingredients? Anything else?

I really don't want to get sucked into DIY but 3-4 solid, simple fun flavors that are waaayyyyy cheaper than ordering them would be cool!

TY!​

Nothing stopping you! You can save a ton of cash, that is of course if you don't buy hundreds of flavors like some of us...lol. Go through the forum, there are a lot of good recipes! When you mix up something, start with a very small amount. Most people do 3ml.Then if all is OK and you like it - make more.

 

[Eagle Talon]

Learn the math, or find an on-line calculator you trust.

Learn a little about nic safety.

And yes, it is that easy.

Start small.

Have fun, be safe.

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[Hoosier]

Learn the math, or find an on-line calculator you trust.

Learn a little about nic safety.

And yes, it is that easy.

Start small.

Have fun, be safe.

sniff....

That was beautiful man...

Just perfect...

sniff...

 

[Ralikar]

Thanks! I have a chem background so it's not like it's a hassle to deal with nic or calculations...

I was simply wondering if adding a few drops of some base flavors to a stock solution would work well... I see talk here about steeping, adding sweeters, EM... So I was just wondering if a 30 ml stock PG juice with a basic flavor would really make for a viable vape or if I'd have to start dealing with letting it sit 2 weeks, adding sweeteners, etc.

So could I just go over to WL--add 5% butterscotch or blueberry or something simple to my 30 base (% adjusted to my taste) and actually make a simple tasty vape? Or would I find a need to steep, deal with sweetners, other stuff... etc?

Edit: WOW! WL has the nic in a carrier base!! No need to even order my PG!!

 

[Hoosier]

There is a difference between "vapable" and "great" juice. That difference is as vast as your sense of taste makes it.

Mine makes it huge so there are EM's, sweeteners, steeping and all manner of unicorn tears and butterfly farts going on. Some mixers can kinda' almost measure a flavor into an unexact base and be as happy as a cat in a sunbeam without any of those butterfly fart thingy's.

So, where do you fall in that measure? Once you know that, you'll know how much other stuff you'll need to deal with.

 

[Ralikar]

I'm really not so picky... I don't need many unicorn farts to make me happy... I vape a low and high nic blend of JC summer peach mixed with apple cider and that's it. I just want my nic! JC is smoother to my sinuses. All the Flavored chinese juices from different vendors seemed to irritate my nose/throat and seemed "harsh". In fact, I had some 36mg Bloog grape some time ago and it seemed real harsh on my sinuses. JC lists: PG, food grade glycerol, water, art flavor, nat flavor, nic, cirtic acid as their ingredients. Maybe the glycerol mellows the sinus hit for me? I like JC the best and don't want to go back to raw sinuses.
Cause the VFL, Bloog stuff from grape to butterscotch to coffee seems to really tear up my lungs/sinuses. I'm not sure the PG or PG/VG ratio but that's NOT what I want in a DIY! JC seems thicker and smoother.

Any thoughts?

 

[nanovapr]

Ralkar, it really is that easy. Especially since you have a chem background, get some 1ml and 5ml syringes and clean (or new, since you will be ingesting this) graduated cylinders for measuring. If you are using different liquids, drops are not very accurate, and is tedious at best.

In small test batches it's much more accurate than drops, and in large batches, it's bad to lose count...

Ralkar: "one hundred and twenty one, one hundred and twenty two"
Phone: "RING"
Ralkar: "oh crap"

 

[Rocketman]

and don't read a bunch of flavor reviews, or watch people vaping "awesome" tasting juice on youtube.

 

[markfm]

Finding flavorings you like to work with is key. I use natures flavors for most things, capellas for some bakery things, seedman for a true tobacco blend, perfumers apprentice for their tobacco blend, tobacco absolute, and liquid menthol (too lazy to make my own tobacco blend or liquid menthol).

My all day for over 17 months has been a simple vanilla tobacco, mix, shake, vape. Other blends take at least one or two weeks of steeping.

 

[YorkieGirl1]

All the Flavored chinese juices from different vendors seemed to irritate my nose/throat and seemed "harsh".
Any thoughts?

I get this SAME effect -- its the PG. Anything 50/50 and above in pg does this to me and just tastes plain gross (IMO).

 

[Caridwen]

Could be the flavoring. Could also be the age. If there's no date on the bottle, it's difficult to know how old it is, even the temp it was kept at, or how long it's been sitting around.

 

[Ralikar]

Well, it seems JC is mostly PG with some (trade secret % VG) so it's not like nearly a 50/50 mix. It's mostly PG.

Well, the V4L WOW stuff and fruit stuff and Bloog fruit stuff rip me up... Anyone know the ingredients in those or the % Pg/VG ratio at all?

 

[Leothwyn]

For me, with TFA (mostly what WL has) and FA, it never was as simple as adding a flavor to my base then coming up with a satisfying juice. I'd try some butterscotch and find that it needed to be creamier/richer... maybe a little bavarian cream. Still lacking sweetness though... how about some EM. Still not there... more tweaking, etc..

The only flavors that I've been able to just throw into a base and come up with something good, without tweaking, have been Capella's (for desserts), the new chinese super concentrated (for tobaccos), and NF (so far at least - I've only tried three NF, and two worked great right away).

Everyone's taste buds are different, so hopefully you'll have a different experience with the TFA/WL stuff. But, if you don't, don't give up. There are tons of options out there, and I'm sure you'll find some that you really like - hopefully with less time and flavor collecting than what I went through. Actually, even though I have some juice recipes that I'm very happy with, my flavor collecting hasn't really slowed down. But I'm enjoying myself, and it's a fairly inexpensive hobby.

 

[Justin66]

I use BreakTru's software and I source my stuff from various places (wizard labs being my "go to", I suppose). I use a syringe for measurements. That's pretty much all I need for good-tasting, big-vaping liquid. I don't care about steeping, sitting, bribing the liquid, or whatever. Mix it up, shake it up, vape it.

LOL... you could say I find the KISS Method to work best for me.