Newbie: Looking at batteries self-contained versus in a case

[Markgm]

Hi,
I have not yet found out about cases that one can put batteries into. I like the sound of this, because it sounds more economical. Is this possible? What are some examples of cases that screw onto the tank that batteries go into?

So far, I am thinking of starting with the Kanger Aerotank, and then there is the matter to power it. Is dual coils not as efficient as a single coil design with the power? Would you prefer a different tank? There are so many clearomizers to choose from.

I will want to be able to charge batteries in my car, so the easiest way to do this would be good. I have a micro USB charger already, for charging my cell phone in the car. But I will get an inverter if needed, to charge up nice and quick, like it was 120 VAC.

So, on my budget, I would like to score good, with buying my own juice, and also, possibly by using generic batteries instead of eCig ones. TIA, Mark

 

[daviedog]

Buy a self contained unit like an Ego or itaste.
You may not use generic batteries in an APV..

 

[Hijack]

Hi,
I have not yet found out about cases that one can put batteries into. I like the sound of this, because it sounds more economical. Is this possible? What are some examples of cases that screw onto the tank that batteries go into?

I take it by ' Cases ' you mean a box mod or a tube mod that you can recharge and have a long battery life. Here is one that is very popular has a high capacity built in battery that can be charged from a usb car charger.
Innokin iTaste MVP V2.0 - 101 Vape
The MVP 2. it comes with everything you need and will take any tank you desire to put on it. Check out the vv v3 as well if you want something more eGo size but the battery is not that big and you may need to recharge throughout the day.
They also have pass-through so you can vape while its charging if you need to.

 

[CreepyLady]

Hi and Welcome to ECF

Best bang for your buck that you can charge with a micro usb is an MVP2.

You cannot use generic batteries, cellphone chargers, cheap batteries, cheap chargers in advanced devices without significant risk. The device above is variable voltage, variable wattage, has a 2600 mAh battery (thats a lot of battery). Its about 40 bucks shipped and has built in safety features.

 

[SupplyDaddy]

Markgm
Dual coils use more power. The ego type batteries can be used with them, but you will drain them fast and stress them.
Something along the lines of an MVP sounds like it would be good for you. It is variable volt and variable wattage, is charged via a usb connection and it can handle dual coiled tanks. It's also shaped like a box, bout the size of an old styled 20 pack cigarette case.

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[Tinkiegrrl]

A great device to start with as you are learning would be the MVP 2 or, if you want something smaller, the iTaste VVv3. Both will check the resistance of your coil, display remaining battery life and do variable voltage and wattage. Those are a lot of features for an affordable price. A Kanger tank will work fine on either one, although the larger ones will look better on the MVP 2 then the VVv3.

 

[Izan]

Hi,
I have not yet found out about cases that one can put batteries into. I like the sound of this, because it sounds more economical. Is this possible? What are some examples of cases that screw onto the tank that batteries go into?

So far, I am thinking of starting with the Kanger Aerotank, and then there is the matter to power it. Is dual coils not as efficient as a single coil design with the power? Would you prefer a different tank? There are so many clearomizers to choose from.

I will want to be able to charge batteries in my car, so the easiest way to do this would be good. I have a micro USB charger already, for charging my cell phone in the car. But I will get an inverter if needed, to charge up nice and quick, like it was 120 VAC.

So, on my budget, I would like to score good, with buying my own juice, and also, possibly by using generic batteries instead of eCig ones. TIA, Mark

HI and welcome,
(credit to Baditude)
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected-icr.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eeper-understanding-mod-batteries-part-i.html


Best of luck
I
BTW, What IS your budget?

 

[Tom Fuller]

All the batteries that power our vape devices can only handle about 250 cycles of charge/discharge. Given that info, to me economics make sense in a mod that allows you to use rechargeable imr batteries or like the mnke 20a batteries. Similar to energizer in theory but not much else. The energy potential is exponentially higher in these batteries. Be safe and educate your self in order to protect yourself.


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[Markgm]

I take it by ' Cases ' you mean a box mod or a tube mod that you can recharge and have a long battery life. Here is one that is very popular has a high capacity built in battery that can be charged from a usb car charger.

The MVP 2. it comes with everything you need and will take any tank you desire to put on it. Check out the vv v3 as well if you want something more eGo size but the battery is not that big and you may need to recharge throughout the day.
They also have pass-through so you can vape while its charging if you need to.

It seems a few people like the MVP 2. I've seen it, but wasn't sure if I wanted to carry that around with me due to its size. But one cannot have it all, and this seems like it would be most economical in the end. I could charge it while I am asleep. Other than that, frm what I've read so far, it seems like 850-900 mAh at 4v would be needed to get me through a long enough spell, with a single-coil. Maybe I should be thinking of single coil as well. (Why did mfrs go dual coil?) OK, so it says it comes with a charging cable. Do you know if that plugs into 120 VAC? I could work with that. TIA.

 

[Motorfrog]

I can also recommend the Innokin MVP2 for home use (it's a big beast) or the Innokin vv3 if you want a carry around. They are the ones I use.

That said, I've recently ordered a Nemesis clone and a pair of 18650s with charger for about the same that I paid for the MVP2

 

[Markgm]

HI and welcome,
(credit to Baditude)

Best of luck
I
BTW, What IS your budget?

Hi, I started to read the link, and the IMRs are the ones that got me wondering, along with some well-rated Panasonics that are not expensive (I can't put links here). So the next question that came to my mind was, "Where do they put these kinds of batteries? Inside of what?"

My budget is to be able to have charge and fluid loaded during the day, maybe a pack-and-a-half equivalent, buy the necessary charger, inverter, batteries, tank, fluid, and associated parts for around $100, and to be able to vape ongoing with good fluid prices, and not cartridges, and in terms of batteries, the thing that got me was looking at all of these $20-25 batteries, where I figured I would need 3 of them, and eventually they would die. I saw someone else mention here that 250 charges is typically what they're good for, so larger batteries sound more economical in the long run. Of course, I am really being frugal right now, but in the future, I don't think I'll have to do that. So, perhaps up to the first year is all I have to think about for now.

The MVP 2 seems really cool, albeit a bit big for carrying around. Maybe I should just find some non-mod type batteries, and pay for those with the associated charger. I would like to be able to walk around with around 30 cigs worth OK.

I'm having second thoughts about the power consumption of a dual coil. My understanding of the newer gen Kangers is that they get rid of common leaking/gurgle problems of previous ones (1 and 2). Would single coil (lower power consumption) types end up simplifying my application? I think I would like a clearomizer, but I am looking to not have a good enough build to not have leaking issues.

 

[Hijack]

OK, so it says it comes with a charging cable. Do you know if that plugs into 120 VAC? I could work with that. TIA.

uuuummmm I live in the U.K here it comes with a 3 pin mains to USB charger. In U.S. it comes with a 2 pin mains to USB I take it 120 VAC= 120 volt A/C which is what you get over there. So yes I THINK.

 

[Motorfrog]

uuuummmm I live in the U.K here it comes with a 3 pin mains to USB charger. In U.S. it comes with a 2 pin mains to USB I take it 120 VAC= 120 volt A/C which is what you get over there. So yes I THINK.

Sorry to correct you Hijack, but over here in the UK we have 240V a/c which is completely different to what they get over there but technology has advanced to the point where it doesn't matter any more, the chargers adjust themselves to the voltage

 

[SupplyDaddy]

Anything, other than ego style, ready to go, batteries, is going to seem "too big" at first. The MVP is smaller than it looks and my 4'11", 100lbs wife carries one around with no problems. purse, pocket, hand.
The common replaceable battery types, in your price range, are actually going to be bigger than the MVP.. The VAMO and SVD are great choices, and are tall, as well as wide, the diameter of a US quarter. Both are VV and VW with ohms readers and charge remaining.
Of course, you could go with the 14500 battery types, but you may be disappointed in the battery life and power output.

Unless you are staying with the ego type battery systems, the power consumption isn't going to be an issue.

One thing that you really must keep in mind though... You need a Backup! ..and a backup for your backup!

 

[tj99959]

Hi, I started to read the link, and the IMRs are the ones that got me wondering, along with some well-rated Panasonics that are not expensive (I can't put links here). So the next question that came to my mind was, "Where do they put these kinds of batteries? Inside of what?"
My budget is to be able to have charge and fluid loaded during the day, maybe a pack-and-a-half equivalent, buy the necessary charger, inverter, batteries, tank, fluid, and associated parts for around $100, and to be able to vape ongoing with good fluid prices, and not cartridges, and in terms of batteries, the thing that got me was looking at all of these $20-25 batteries, where I figured I would need 3 of them, and eventually they would die. I saw someone else mention here that 250 charges is typically what they're good for, so larger batteries sound more economical in the long run. Of course, I am really being frugal right now, but in the future, I don't think I'll have to do that. So, perhaps up to the first year is all I have to think about for now.

The MVP 2 seems really cool, albeit a bit big for carrying around. Maybe I should just find some non-mod type batteries, and pay for those with the associated charger. I would like to be able to walk around with around 30 cigs worth OK.

I'm having second thoughts about the power consumption of a dual coil. My understanding of the newer gen Kangers is that they get rid of common leaking/gurgle problems of previous ones (1 and 2). Would single coil (lower power consumption) types end up simplifying my application? I think I would like a clearomizer, but I am looking to not have a good enough build to not have leaking issues.

Inside any of these:

Like this for example:

 

[Hijack]

Ok Izan has a fair point you could get a VV/VW mod of tube design like the vamo v5 ' just an example and not my recommendation' and 2xBattery and a charger. Would probably cost a little more than $40 more like $60-70, and after a year when those batteries die, just replace the batteries. 18650 batteries are about 2000-2200 mAh. The MVP2 is 2600mAh and will die probably in a year in which case its a new MVP and another $40 or it might be $30 the rate the prices are dropping. It would have to be up you to decide.
Oh and yes the 18650's go inside.


Apic above of a VTR along side an SVD so tube mod are a fair bit taller. Excuse the tape on SVD Im going to customize it tomorrow like I did with the VTR

 

[Hijack]

Sorry to correct you Hijack, but over here in the UK we have 240V a/c which is completely different to what they get over there but technology has advanced to the point where it doesn't matter any more, the chargers adjust themselves to the voltage

lol that's what I said 120 volt ac over there meaning U.S. I think I missed a full stop after USB

 

[tj99959]

lol that's what I said 120 volt ac over there meaning U.S. I think I missed a full stop after USB

Not our fault that you live 'over there'

 

[Markgm]

Inside any of these:
................

That is an amazing collection! Well, I have a good idea of what to compare anything to. The MVP 2. The iTase VV v3 looks like it doesn't hold as much charge as I would like it to.

You have a bunch of APVs, with (quality) IMR batteries in them, no less. But from what I can see so far, AVRs are pretty expensive. What would be a safe but entry-level price for an AVR for an 18650?

 

[mkbilbo]

Hi, I started to read the link, and the IMRs are the ones that got me wondering, along with some well-rated Panasonics that are not expensive (I can't put links here). So the next question that came to my mind was, "Where do they put these kinds of batteries? Inside of what?"

Inside a "mod" or "APV" (Advanced Personal Vaporizer). Such as, mine is one of these: Innokin iTaste VTR.

Runs off an 18650 rechargeable such as: Efest IMR 18650 2000mAh Flat Top 3.7V Rechargeable LiMn Battery

Lots of variety out there. Like one of the high end "tube" devices: JOYE eVic Supreme | Joye e-Vic Ecig APV

And others.

My budget is to be able to have charge and fluid loaded during the day, maybe a pack-and-a-half equivalent, buy the necessary charger, inverter, batteries, tank, fluid, and associated parts for around $100, and to be able to vape ongoing with good fluid prices, and not cartridges, and in terms of batteries, the thing that got me was looking at all of these $20-25 batteries, where I figured I would need 3 of them, and eventually they would die. I saw someone else mention here that 250 charges is typically what they're good for, so larger batteries sound more economical in the long run. Of course, I am really being frugal right now, but in the future, I don't think I'll have to do that. So, perhaps up to the first year is all I have to think about for now.

Depends on whether you look at it short term or long term. My VTR runs around $120 and start up ran me maybe $200 (ish). On the other hand, a 2000 mAh battery is around $8 or so. An eGo style battery is around $20 to $30 and tops out around 1000 to 1300 mAh (or there abouts). So... twice the capacity for around a third of the price?

Over the long term, it should average out as less expensive.

[quote/]The MVP 2 seems really cool, albeit a bit big for carrying around. Maybe I should just find some non-mod type batteries, and pay for those with the associated charger. I would like to be able to walk around with around 30 cigs worth OK.

I'm having second thoughts about the power consumption of a dual coil. My understanding of the newer gen Kangers is that they get rid of common leaking/gurgle problems of previous ones (1 and 2). Would single coil (lower power consumption) types end up simplifying my application? I think I would like a clearomizer, but I am looking to not have a good enough build to not have leaking issues.[/QUOTE]

Dual coil is awful nice. But you do need an APV. They'd eat a "stick" style battery alive.

I'm using the top, dual coil iClear 30s and leaking isn't a problem. Gurgling sometimes maybe when the coil gets old.

Now, the MVP is a nice device with a big capacity battery (2600 mAh). But the battery is not replaceable. Still, that's a charge that'll last a good while. Lot of folks get all day (some more than one day) off the MVP. And it's not all that big. The VTR? That's big. And heavy. I believe I could fend off a mugger. Between puffs.