newbie:what should i buy first? "Answer-is-here"

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bodrell

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To be honest, were I still a rank newbie, the OP would confuse me even more - leaves the impression you have to buy one of everything separately. Which would be a baffling process, for someone who doesn't have a good sense of what a cartomizer is! I think most new vapers - in my case certainly it was the case - are best served by getting a kit - quite a few good PV kits to choose from for under $50.00. Once you have all the components in your hands, it starts to make sense.

Also, as sailorman pointed out - one battery won't cut it at all. For that matter, nor will one carto....you gotta have backups for everything! Including chargers, BTW - I had a charger break on me almost out of the box; luckily I had a spare.
I take two 1100 mAh batteries to work with me and alternate - not sure if one would last me 8-10 hours. It probably would but why take the chance?

No opinion of JC juice, I haven't tried it. As a recent newbie, I'd strongly suggest new vapers splurge on an assortment of flavor types in small amounts or samplers first. Taste is such a subjective thing....I've bought some high end US-made juice flavors that many on ECF recommended highly and loathed them; other oddball flavors I bought out of curiosity have become favourites of mine.
 

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For the most part I agree. For me I like the simplicity of a standard 1000mah ego battery (non-vv) and Boge LR cartos. I like Juice from Halo or Liberty Flights. Simple. I have experimented with VV and with different (some cheap) juices but always come back to that simple setup. It isn't for everyone but it makes it easy for newbies to understand.
 

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simplifying the ground is what is this thread is all about, yet u have some ppl come in here and fighting u over the simple choices u left for some one NEWBIE.
they want u to say the things they want or u don't have an idea, u embarrassing only ur self though.

i'm new in here ECF, but sure i'm not new in vaping.

sailorman i bet u had really hard time getting all the vaping infos together in ur head, that's y u r feeling offended by simplifying any thing, you want all people to go hard time in first step.

thank god there some people who simplify things for others, and not forgetting to say this set is for newbie.
 

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simplifying the ground is what is this thread is all about, yet u have some ppl come in here and fighting u over the simple choices u left for some one NEWBIE.
they want u to say the things they want or u don't have an idea, u embarrassing only ur self though.

i'm new in here ECF, but sure i'm not new in vaping.



sailorman i bet u had really hard time getting all the vaping infos together in ur head, that's y u r feeling offended by simplifying any thing, you want all people to go hard time in first step.

thank god there some people who simplify things for others, and not forgetting to say this set is for newbie.
No, simplifying things is not what you do when you send people to 3 different places to get one variable voltage battery and one carto and one tank.

Simplifying things is a kit with 2 batteries, a charger, a pack of cartos that work with that battery, an atomizer, some juice and maybe a spare pack of cartos....All from the same place and all designed to work out of the box with minimum fuss. That can be accomplished for $50-80 and it can be done with any number of models of varying simplicity.

If you're not new to vaping, you don't demonstrate it. You make the same mistakes I would expect from a noob who thinks he had an epiphany and discovered something nobody had ever thought of before.

Personally, I didn't have a really hard time at all getting the "vaping infos" together in my head. And I'm not offended in the least. I started with a kit, a simple kit that included everything I needed to vape for a couple weeks while I learned the simple principles that allowed me to wisely choose my next PV. Because I started that way, I was able to quit a 3 pack, 40 year habit on the first day and never went back to analogs because my battery ran out, or my carto popped.

There is a difference between simplification and deficiency. Simplification doesn't mean patronization or condescension. Your so-called "newbie set" is not a newbie set. It is what someone would buy as a second PV. It's what they would buy if they knew the variability was sufficient to deliver the power level they prefer to vape at. A device with a 1.5 volt range, in 0.2V increments no less, is not a variable voltage device. Given the upper range, and the voltage sag it undoubtedly has, it's barely more versatile than a selectable voltage device. You continue to ignore the stupidity of relying on one battery. By the time you bought two of these Twists, and sufficient spare heads, you could buy any number of full kits, even a fully functional VV PV like a Lavatube which, BTW, is non-disposable, simple, and out performs the Twist in every respect.

The newest version of the Lavatube can be gotten for $75 shipped, including 2 batteries and charger. All you need is one resistance of cartomizer. How simple is that? Add $10 for 2 boxes of 3ohm Boges and you're up to $85. Two Twists, a tank and a carto or two will cost you within $10 of that and when the battery dies, you throw it away.

Or, if you really want simple, you can get a Volt with a bunch of cartridges, a charging case and juice for $60-75. That's simple enough for a 5 year old.

I have no problem with simple. I don't like stupid.

And, what the heck does this mean? Please re-state it in English. This isn't texting. You aren't being charged by the letter.
hey want u to say the things they want or u don't have an idea, u embarrassing only ur self though.
 

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I started with a kit, a simple kit that included everything I needed to vape for a couple weeks while I learned the simple principles that allowed me to wisely choose my next PV.

This is the advice I would give. Just get a basic kit that includes everything to start. I also think that all starter kits should come with a couple small bottles of juice to get you started. My eGo kits didn't come with any, but fortunately, I ordered a small bottle on the side, just in case. It seems to me that getting a starter kit with no juice is like getting a car delivered to your house with no fuel in the tank.


This isn't texting. You aren't being charged by the letter.

This was very good. I might steal that from you.
 

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This is the advice I would give. Just get a basic kit that includes everything to start. I also think that all starter kits should come with a couple small bottles of juice to get you started. My eGo kits didn't come with any, but fortunately, I ordered a small bottle on the side, just in case. It seems to me that getting a starter kit with no juice is like getting a car delivered to your house with no fuel in the tank.

I agree, but I understand why they don't usually include it. In the old days, they'd include pre-filled carts. They were usually pretty bad. Some kits STILL come with those nasty carts. Some vendors include a bottle of the juice they sell, but unless the customer can choose a flavor the chances are they won't like it anyway. Unfortunately, the best juice usually comes from a juice company that doesn't have the best hardware deals. Maybe some of the hardware vendors can get with the juice vendors to offer a certificate for free juice when you buy their kits. The hardware vendors would sell kits and the juice vendors would get a new lead.

This was very good. I might steal that from you.
Thanks. It's yours.
 

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Sailorman, I get you about the juice. And I agree that the decent hardware suppliers would do well to work with the decent juice suppliers some how.

I'm just remembering the first ecig I bought at the store a couple of months ago. I knew nothing about them. I didn't even know it was vapor instead of smoke. I surely didn't think to ask if it came with juice or did I need to buy juice separately. I just wanted to smoke an ecig. I've noticed some sites do include a little bit of juice with their kits.. or like you said, prefilled cartridges. Even if their juice sucks, though, it's still something to get started. I've even seen some supplier sites that have little dropdown menus of options that include choice of color, and even juice, under the product. Most that I've seen don't.
 

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Yeah, it sure would be a good idea to include juice. I think most B&M stores probably would, since they sell juice as well as hardware, and they also have you face to face so they know if you're a noob and they can ask you your preferences. Most sites seem to specialize in hardware or juice. Only a minority handle both lines. They get these things from China with no juice (or horrible juice) and unless they sell juice, they're kind of stuck as far as adding it to their kits. They just don't have the inventory.

Some of the sites that also sell juice will throw in samples without even asking you. The last time I bought some carto's the vendor added a 10ml bottle of juice for free.
 

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no prbm dood im nt ngry u dnt ned 2 wry bout it, if the shu fts wr it try nt 2 giv bd advise 2 othr noobs tho ur playn wit thir lifs.
Lol!!! That is hysterical. But you know, there are millions of teens who write like that - SMS style- and can't spell or use punctuation to save their lives and basic grammar is a mystery to them. It drives me nuts. I hope Mad is not a teen.....or..

Anyway Mad, please write and spell properly like everyone else here. If you can't spell, use a spell check. People will take you more seriously.
 

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Warren, are you aware of any more than two Chinese companies that make juice sold in the US and identifiable as Chinese? I'd be interested in Cheap Chinese juice that's not made by Dekang or that other company that starts with an "H". I'm sure there are some Chinese companies that make juice, but AFAIK they aren't sold in the U.S., at least not under any name that's identifiable as being made in China. Every Chinese made juice I've ever seen has either been Dekang or that "H" company.

Nope, seems like I've seen another one or two mentioned somewhere on ECF but can't remember; the "H" one you mention is "Hangsen" or something like that I think (Caffeine deficiency here). As far as being sold here in the US I expect these two have the Chinese market fairly well covered. And come to think of it, I don't know that there'd be much of a "mom & pop" presence in China, or if that sort of enterprise would be culturally or politically compatible there. (Not being critical, just confessing ignorance in these matters.) :D
 

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Nope, seems like I've seen another one or two mentioned somewhere on ECF but can't remember; the "H" one you mention is "Hangsen" or something like that I think (Caffeine deficiency here). As far as being sold here in the US I expect these two have the Chinese market fairly well covered. And come to think of it, I don't know that there'd be much of a "mom & pop" presence in China, or if that sort of enterprise would be culturally or politically compatible there. (Not being critical, just confessing ignorance in these matters.) :D
Yes, you are right -giantic companies. I have seen videos on YouTube taken (by US venors) inside the factories of ecigs and juice. Huge, efficient, spotlessly clean factories, with hundreds (or maybe thousands) of workers wearing white labcoats, lab head covering, face masks and even those lab booty things. Extemely strict security, several layers of quality control etc. This is a big business for China, and they don't intend to make any mistakes. Quite amazing really. On the flipside, I'd be terrified to see inside a US Mom&Pop homebrew factory hehe... Just saying :).
 

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Lol!!! That is hysterical. But you know, there are millions of teens who write like that - SMS style- and can't spell or use punctuation to save their lives and basic grammar is a mystery to them. It drives me nuts. I hope Mad is not a teen.....or..

Anyway Mad, please write and spell properly like everyone else here. If you can't spell, use a spell check. People will take you more seriously.

I had no problems at all understanding one word that the OP posted.
 
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