News Releases 20AUG2009 - Medical News Today and ASH

[Straykat]

Two new articles as of 20AUG.

This release from ASH:
E-Cigarettes Hit on Many Fronts; Now Facing Two New Legal Challenges

"Banzhaf suggests that many of these toxins and other cancer-causing chemicals, as well as nicotine and propylene glycol, will be found in the "vapor" given off by their products and also exhaled by users into the air around them. There they will be inhaled by e-cigarette secondhand smokers -- a group which may include infants and other young children..."

This one from Medical News Today:
E-Cigarette Public Smoking Bans Begin Use Of "Illegal" Product Prohibited Wherever Smoking Is
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"At A Press Conference Called By The Fda, Matthew Mckenna, M.D., And Who Is The Director Of The Cdc's Office Of Smoking And Health, Noted That The E-Cigarettes Can Be Used In Environments That Are Smoke-Free, And Therefore Weaken The Health Benefits Of The Antismoking Efforts."

Not new news, just same more of the same old PR.

 

[shivadance]

I Don't Trust Anyone Writing An Article In Medical News Today That Does Not Understand The Rules of Capitalization. Period. One Star.

 

[jexmex]

I Don't Trust Anyone Writing An Article In Medical News Today That Does Not Understand The Rules of Capitalization. Period. One Star.

My Thoughts Exactly. Plus, What Was Medical About It? It Looked Like Just About What ASH Has Done, Probably Written By Them To, Just So They Can Gloat!

BTW, typing like that sucks, it must be defined in their css styles, because I dont think anybody could write a whole article like that.

 

[BigJimW]

Now THIS is indeed interesting. Up until this article, ASH never used PRLog as a press release source. PRLog is not the best in the world to distribute the news. Trust me, I know.

But it is indeed interesting that they use it now. Especially since I use it quite vigorously.

Maybe Banzasshat is starting to be my #1 fan.

 

[DaMulta]

I still buy everything with paypal

 

[BigJimW]

Three Professors Of Medicine Attack Ash Health Claims

Let them read this.

 

[Scaralouche]

it let me vote as a medical professional...i do workforce coordination for a call center...haha. a scheduler weighed in as a doctor. my mom would be proud!

 

[Territoo]

it let me vote as a medical professional...i do workforce coordination for a call center...haha. a scheduler weighed in as a doctor. my mom would be proud!

I trust your medical capabilities are a lot more than Banzhaf's.

As stated by a liscensed physician......me.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

"At A Press Conference Called By The Fda, Matthew Mckenna, M.D., And Who Is The Director Of The Cdc's Office Of Smoking And Health, Noted That The E-Cigarettes Can Be Used In Environments That Are Smoke-Free, And Therefore Weaken The Health Benefits Of The Antismoking Efforts."

I find this quite extremely interesting.

Is the CDC's Office of Smoking and Health basically saying that the vapor is not the same as tobacco cigarette smoke?

This would lead one to believe that the vapor is maybe *safer* than smoke?

Wow! BigJim, you really want to do a number on a press release, quote Mckenna like this: "At A Press Conference Called By The Fda, Matthew Mckenna, M.D., And Who Is The Director Of The Cdc's Office Of Smoking And Health, Noted That The E-Cigarettes Can Be Used In Environments That Are Smoke-Free"

Obviously, use proper writing and capitalization as noted in earlier posts

 

[Tilly]

Maybe ASH should jump on this as well: WASHINGTON (Reuters) – tobacco plants might yield a cheap and easy-to-administer vaccine against a pesky stomach virus called norovirus, U.S. researchers reported on Tuesday.

They found a way to make tobacco produce a protein that can be used to make a nasal vaccine against norovirus, which causes ........ and vomiting, especially on cruise ships, in restaurants, schools and on military bases.
A team at Stanford University reported last year it used tobacco to make a so-called therapeutic vaccine to treat a type of blood cancer called non-Hodgkin lymphoma.

 

[ProtoType]

Too funny

 

[Skeezix]

I think they should ban antifreeze. Then they would have to say they found traces of DG - a substance found in weenies (allowable to 0.02%)

and of PG; a substance found in eyedrops and jelly donuts (OMG the children)!


The horror!

 

[shivadance]

I think they should ban antifreeze. Then they would have to say they found traces of DG - a substance found in weenies (allowable to 0.02%)

and of PG; a substance found in eyedrops and jelly donuts (OMG the children)!


The horror!

Aren't weenies and jelly donuts marketed specifically towards children?!?

I think eyedrops are ok, because no child would try to put in eyedrops of their own accord.

 

[DC2]

This one from Medical News Today:
E-Cigarette Public Smoking Bans Begin Use Of "Illegal" Product Prohibited Wherever Smoking Is
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This guy Banzhaf from ASH is my new Public Enemy Number One.

Here is the comment I left...

This guy Banzhaf from ASH is a shameless liar who has no problem vilifying a life saving device that harms no one, simply so he can get more money into his coffer. This guy is the worst of the worst, and is well known in many circles for his legal terrorist tactics.

Mr. Banzhaf, if you are reading this, you have taken up a fight that you will not win this time. Electronic cigarette users will fight you until our last healthy breath, and we will bring you down because the TRUTH is on OUR side.

He is really lucky I am not retired quite yet, because I would dedicate my life to fighting this guy.

 

[seminolewind]

Great comment!

 

[TropicalBob]

The McKenna quote deserves focus. His past reveals that he will never be a friend of e-smoking. But he raises an issue that will only grow as we parry the "unhealthy" allegations from the FDA and ASH. His point involves perception.

Perception has been discussed here for more than a year, probably the entire 19 months I've been e-smoking. E-smoking, from very little distance, appears to be smoking. And e-smokers, in the "public use" threads of ECF, have laughed about being told to "put it out" in public, non-smoking areas.

The objection is going to be that e-smoking confuses authorities and thwarts no-smoking law enforcement.

Is that enough to ban the practice? Lord knows, but these people seem hellbent on outlawing e-cigs. Perception cannot be overcome. Without vapor, we have Big Pharma's nicotine inhaler (without the approvals that device has). From posts made here, most e-smokers want lots of vapor. It's that vapor that confuses the no-smoking issue.

Antis have made great progress is stomping out smoking in public places. Now, we appear to be smoking. That is not going over well. This is further complicated by the incorrect idea that we exhale "water vapor." Nope. We exhale what we inhale, and more. What's in it? Have lab tests been done? The absence of fact allows rampant speculation on the effects of "second-hand vapor."

McKenna has made the first semi-official objection to e-smoking based solely on its appearance. ECA and those who speak for e-smoking had best prepare some intelligent counter-attacks for this, because it is not going away.

 

[Scaralouche]

by that rationale, lets ban the Wii! some games cause my kids to make .........ion motions with the wiimote. from a distance, that could look like it to the untrained eye.

education is the key. when people know what the glow from an LED means, and theyve seen the spot on 60 minutes or whatever on the thing, seen commercials on tv (why not? its not smoking...unless they rule it to be a tobacco product, that is), in magazines and newspapers, people will not be as discomfited by seeing what theyre seeing.

at work i have no problem going out with the smokers and getting a little second hand. my lungs took a 22 year beating, they can handle this. besides, i prefer to be around those people anyway, they dont suck like nonsmokers do.

at home, i wait til my kids go to bed before bring the 510 out of the bedroom. during the day, i just go to the bedroom for a minute or two and grab a few drags, come back out. the only time they see me do anything like smoking is on july 4th when my brother and i have a cigar. (for you cigar afficionados, i have a Cohiba Red Dot, or a Playboy by Don Diego...theyre both mild and oh, so silky).

ANYWAY....im just saying the hysteria ratchets up every day, and i dont know how it is going to go down. unless judge leon rules for SE/Njoy against the FDA, im not sure how we can fix it all.

 

[ladyraj]

Yes...I actually saw this one coming...how can the smoke police tell the difference between an e-cig's vapor and a cigarette to issue a fine or citation? The whole body of tobacco control efforts are hanging in the balance since smokers and quitting habits have declined the past 3 years and jobs are the issue of the day. The e-cig has been a boon to bump up their budgets for this new danger to health and....yikes...morality. These groups are positionoing themselves for the new fiscal year beginning October 1st. That is why ASH is promising more trouble for the e-cig in weeks to come.

The FDA report did simulate e-smoking via a higher temperature apparatus and again via the lower temp of standard e-cig:

"Simulated Use: Nicotine and tobacco Specific Impurities by Head Space GC-MS (HSGC-MS) and sparging apparatus
HSGC is likely to be less sensitive than the GC-MS technique that takes advantage of injecting all of the soluble components and then volatilizing them at 280 °C; however, the head space analyzer can be set to a specific temperature to mimic what may be volatilized during use of the products.
The temperature of the heating element in each e-cigarette was determined by inserting a thermocouple and then activating the e-cigarette by drawing air through it. These temperatures ranged from 40 to 65°C. HSGC-MS analysis was conducted at 60°C to simulate the temperature that would be encountered during activation of an e-cigarette. Nicotine was detected in both products for all cartridges containing low, medium and high levels of nicotine but was not observed in cartridges identified as containing no nicotine. Screening for the possible tobacco specific impurities cotinine, nicotine-N-oxide, nornicotine, anabasine and myosmine was negative. β-Nicotyrine was detected in all Njoy cartridges but was not detected in the Smoking Everywhere cartridges."

Please note the above statement of impurities directly disproves ASH's contention that the vapor contained anabasine, myosmine, and nornicotine, cotinine, and nicotine-N-oxide (which is posted on their site via links to PR sites). Very artful liars who are bold enough to misquote the FDA report. No matter to them because they have been making truth for quite a while. The links can be found at Introduction to Action on Smoking and Health, ASH

 

[westcoast2]

Yes...I actually saw this one coming...how can the smoke police tell the difference between an e-cig's vapor

Perhaps they can see where is comes from rather than focus on the vapour?

Cig - Glowing orange tip - glows brighter on longer drag.
PV - If you use blue tip, then blue! - constant glow.

Cig - Smoke from tip
PV - No vapour from tip.

Cig - Gets smaller
E-cig - Stays the same length. (oo er Mrs )

Cig - other parapha (er ) stuff like ash tray, lighter etc.
PV - Nothing else needed.

A test: Put that 'thing' in your pocket.
Cig - Pants on fire.
PV - No prob.

So only a minutes observation or a quick test would be needed.
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[LaceyUnderall]

Cig - Glowing orange tip - glows brighter on longer drag.
PV - If you use blue tip, then blue! - constant glow.

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All excellent observations. This one in particular is important.

Bill Godshall had originally made this comment to me months ago that the orange LED's are a problem when it comes to what people "assume". He noted that if people were to get on board with other colors, it would definitely help in public perception.

Personally, I have found the same thing. People ask me questions when I use my blue LED. People get mad at me when I use my orange LED. Conversation vs. Confrontation. I never use my orange LED in public places.