nicotine base question

[godspeed1208]

Hi there , i see that there are many variants like 100mg/ 36 mg nicotine bases etc.. what is the right one i should get ? please correct me if i'm wrong ... but would getting the 100mg help me make more amounts of e liquid and last longer? And also they come in vg or pg. My target is around 50-60% pg and 40% vg. So what should i get to achieve this ?

also there is the propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine . which one should i get?

last question is that in the e juice calculators, there is the option to add water/h2o... what difference would this make if i add this? would i still get the same flavor or will i be able to make more ml's of e-liquids?

thanks alot

p.s: It's not easy to get hold of e juices here locally and suppliers prices are quite high. So would like to diy so that i could save on cost and get more juice,thanks

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[purelyscientific]

Don't go higher than 60mg/mL.
Wear gloves and goggles.

Get PG based nicotine if you are using a higher ratio of PG.
Get both PG and VG, as well as nicotine.

Adding water would save VG/PG but it takes away from vapor production. Some people add it to thin out their VG.

Yes, if you use 100mg/mL nicotine it will make more juice as opposed to an equal amount of lower concentration nicotine solution. But if you have to ask that question, you shouldn't be using that high of a concentration.

Nicotine is very poisonous. I highly recommend you start of with 60mg/mL or lower.

What mg/mL do you plan on vaping?(ex. 12, 16, 18, 24mg)

 

[godspeed1208]

Don't go higher than 60mg/mL.
Wear gloves and goggles.

Get PG based nicotine if you are using a higher ratio of PG.
Get both PG and VG, as well as nicotine.

Adding water would save VG/PG but it takes away from vapor production. Some people add it to thin out their VG.

Hi thank you for the fast reply, i'm about to make an order now. Please correct me if i'm wrong, when you mentioned don't go higher than 60mg/ml is that the nicotine base you are referring to?

and could you briefly explain what is the difference btw a nicotine base with either pg or vg? it's really confusing .

and also does the flavouring also have to be in pg or vg?

 

[purelyscientific]

Yes, I was referring to the nicotine base.

Nicotine with VG base will be thicker than PG based nicotine. If you give me the ratio of what you like to vape and the mg/mL I can tell you what you need to get.

 

[godspeed1208]

Thank you, i'm trying to get 18mg nicotine... and would like to get better taste and throat hit. so my guess is 60% pg and 40%vg? and please let me know what i would need to get all this? thanks alot

 

[purelyscientific]

The average percentage I use flavors at is 7%. I'm going to base these figures off my average, your ratio, and final nic level.

For juice at 60/40 18mg with 7% flavor you need-
Either
Option A-
You will need...
468.75mL nic. So buy a 500mL of 48mg/mL nicotine
193.75mL PG. So buy a 250mL bottle of PG
500mL VG. So buy a 500mL bottle of VG
87.5mL of flavor. So buy 11 WL flavor vials, at least)

With this you can make 1250mL of juice. You will end up with PG and some nicotine left over which will be good if you end up wanting to up your nic level or make some ethyl maltol solution

Alternately you can cut that in half and get
Option B-
A 250 bottle of 48mg/mL of nic
A 120mL bottle og PG
A 250mL bottle of VG
5 WL flavor vials(Get at least 5, you are bound to not like some of them)

 

[godspeed1208]

The average percentage I use flavors at is 7%. I'm going to base these figures off my average, your ratio, and final nic level.

For juice at 60/40 18mg with 7% flavor you need-
Either
Option A-
You will need...
468.75mL nic. So buy a 500mL of 48mg/mL nicotine
193.75mL PG. So buy a 250mL bottle of PG
500mL VG. So buy a 500mL bottle of VG
87.5mL of flavor. So buy 11 WL flavor vials, at least)

With this you can make 1250mL of juice. You will end up with PG and some nicotine left over which will be good if you end up wanting to up your nic level or make some ethyl maltol solution

Alternately you can cut that in half and get
Option B-
A 250 bottle of 48mg/mL of nic
A 120mL bottle og PG
A 250mL bottle of VG
5 WL flavor vials(Get at least 5, you are bound to not like some of them)

HI thank you, one thing i want to make sure is ... for the nicotine base , should it be in vg or pg? as i see that when i'm about to place and order i have this option to choose... thanks

p.s: What is WL by the way? liter?

 

[godspeed1208]

This is where i'm going to order it from:

Our Unflavored Smoke Juice (Nic. Juice, Nicotine Juice) - My Freedom Smokes

p.s: if you notice it has the option, strength and pg/vg mix. i'm not sure what pg/vg to go for? Thanks alot

 

[cedric212]

Which Nic to get depends on or target nic level (more variance if you're using high conc. nic when your target nic is low). The higher nic conc. does allow you to mix a wider range of PG/VG ratios. There's nothing wrong with 100mg/ml if you know what your doing and take precautions (vented space, droppers, pipettes, syringes, graduated cylinders, etc.).

For a 5ml of 18mg/ml 60/40 PG/VG @15% flavoring (PG based flavoring)

From 60/40 PG/VG 60mg/ml (cap @ 85/15 PG/VG and 35/65 PG/VG):
1.5ml of nic
1.35ml of PG
1.4ml of VG
0.75ml of flavoring

From 60/40 PG/VG 100mg/ml (cap @ 90/10 PG/VG and 10/90 PG/VG):
0.9ml of nic
1.71ml of PG
1.64ml of VG
0.75ml of flavoring

Note that the PG and VG depletion is close to 1:1, maintaining somewhere close to this ratio is convenient such that you won't deplete one significantly faster than the other which allows you to order them at the same time to save on shipping. From the above calculation, you'll be mixing 1:1:1 PG/VG/nic ratio for 60mg/ml and 2:2:1 ratio for 100mg/ml. Personally I would prefer getting 100mg/ml so I can work with a wider range of PG/VG ratio, but 60mg/ml is fine if you don't plan to mix anything above 65% VG.

WL = Wizard Labs: Wizard Labs

PS. WL's nic is cheaper (more PG/VG choices as well) and so are their flavorings ($1.50/8ml), good place to try out different flavors (can purchase bulk TPA flavoring cheaper in other places).

 

[glassmanoak]

You might check out Wizard Labs for prices. If you are going to be mixing 60PG/40VG, then buy your nic base in PG. Also, 7% flavor is a little light for me. I usually go around 15% for fruit flavors, so you might get a bit more flavorings.

 

[godspeed1208]

wow WL prices are much better. thank you so much if not i would have spent more. I think i understand so much clearer now. thanks everyone.

 

[godspeed1208]

wow WL prices are much better. thank you so much if not i would have spent more. I think i understand so much clearer now. thanks everyone.

i spoke too soon, they do not ship to my country

 

[cedric212]

Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the Singapore's customs policy, perhaps you can try contacting John from WL and see if arrangements can be made to have it shipped to your country.

Contact Us

 

[godspeed1208]

yes i have sent them a email.i'll try to find out more websites in the mean time, thanks alot

 

[purelyscientific]

My friend lives in canada and he sent john a message a while back to see if he would ship to him and never got a reply.

Your nic should be PG based.

 

[godspeed1208]

My friend lives in canada and he sent john a message a while back to see if he would ship to him and never got a reply.

Looks like i need to pay more at other websites. The prices are way different from WL. haha also the shipping cost is real cut throat.

 

[purelyscientific]

WL stands for wizardlabs by the way. Not liter.
Sorry, We habitually use wl for wizardlabs around here.

 

[godspeed1208]

Ok i just got my stuffs and need some help...

48mg nic base 100% pg.
pg
vg
flavours.

Now i want to make it into 40% pg and 60% vg with 16mg nic. using the ejuice calculator this is what i got:



if you see under ingredents, at pg/vg 0 nicotine it says -0.8. So what when wrong? This is the pg that i'll be adding into my recipe right?

thanks for any help

 

[godspeed1208]

WL stands for wizardlabs by the way. Not liter.
Sorry, We habitually use wl for wizardlabs around here.

thank you, i have contacted WL and they replied saying they do not ship to my country. I had to looks else where.

 

[purelyscientific]

Your flavoring is too high.
You can also change the ratio to 50/50 and it will work.
Or lower your nic 1-2mg