nicotine -- catch 22 -- irony

[Vapture]

I still have a few cigs per day ... sometimes a little more ..

what's happening is ... the less cigarettes I have ... the more sensitive I become to the nicotine "taste" / nausea.

So trying to switch to vaping exclusively, increases nausea consistency. Seems like as soon as my taste/smell improves from not using cigarettes, my aversion to nicotine from vaping increases.

Tried switching to VG and different nic strengths .. but can't get rid of the nausea effect.

Probably the best I can use vaping for is to kill of cigarettes for a day or so and then stop vaping straight into not using nicotine at all.

As as aside, I do remember using not nic ecigs in the past, for a cigarette replacement and I found that frequent deep inhales/exhales on the ecig did indeed help with some withdrawal effects, didn't really notice it much but I was occupied video chatting with friends on the net, as well. Seems like deep breathing really helps relax potential cravings etc.

Anyways tried getting around the nausea thing for a week or so ... to no avail ... If anyone else ran into the issue and found a solution, like to hear it.

 

[Eddie.Willers]

Personally, I didn't have a problem when making the switch but in order to make sensible suggestions we need to know:
* what equipment are you using?
* what nic strength (mg) are you using?
* what is the PG/VG ratio of the liquid you are using?
* how much liquid are you using per day? (approx)

 

[Vapture]

It's a zerocig ecig (280mah) cartomizers ... that I refill. Not a great ecig but it pretty good for what it ... easy draw, lots of vapor .. it's a cig look alike, but seems to be decent compared to others in that range. I'm happy enough with it, I ordered it since they were ok sending nic to canada ... or at least letting me assume the risks.

I doubt I've ever gone above 3ml/day, more likely 2ml. Small amounts go a long way. I don't make a special effort to refill cartos all the way too often .. just drop in 10 drops or so when I notice less flavor or effect.

Nic levels are 18mg and 11mg and one mixed(at about 15mg) ... all 100% VG based.

 

[tribe]

Crazy thing!... I didn't even know that nicotine had taste...

The first thing that comes to my mind is vaping 0 mg nic and using a patch or some other NRT

Whatever you do I wish you all the luck!!

 

[MickeyRat]

Personally, I didn't have a problem when making the switch but in order to make sensible suggestions we need to know:

Most people don't but, I know exactly what he's talking about because I did have that problem and it took me a couple months to come up with a solution that worked for me.

Vapture I started at 24mg and very soon it was making me sick. I kept reducing it till I found that I could vape 12mg all day. The problem is that wouldn't keep the cravings at bay. Here's what worked. At the time I was using cartos but, I'd keep some 24mg juice and an atomizer with me. When I got to craving or I noticed I was sucking on my PV desperately, I would switch out to the atomizer and drip 3 drops of the 24. When those drops were gone (flavor falls off), I would go back to the 12. The craving would take about 10 minutes to pass. Don't vape the higher nic till the craving's gone you'll get too much.

 

[YoursTruli]

Nicotine is tasteless and odorless honest.
Rather than resorting to going back to analogs when you start feeling nauseated you probably need to lower the nic level you are currently using a bit. Your body will make that clear to you if you are getting too much nic... nausea, dizziness, headaches, upset stomach, sweating, shakes, etc. are all symptoms you need to lower your nic level or cut back on how much you are vaping a day.
You also you need to seriously increase your your water intake (not sodas, etc...) because vaping will dry you out and dehydration could also lead to the nausea you are experiencing. Your body needs time to adjust to this new vaping venue, it is not just missing the nic it is also missing all the other 4000+ chemicals that have been continually put into it from analogs and increasing your water intake will help flush your system too.

 

[Vapture]

That's a pretty good description of what I'm experiencing. The 18mg worked well, but quickly became too much. So I figured drop it down to 11mg. That worked for a while, to keep things even, but at some point it wasn't enough and I just ended up taking in too much as well but never getting the craving relief. I did try the 18mg for a few hits to kill the craving, but that doesn't seem to be a big enough jump from 11mg for me to get the kick. I'll try a bigger spread between nic levels, with 18 and 6 or 24 and 11. Hopefully that will prevent taking in too much nicotine, below the levels required to kill the craving.

thx

Most people don't but, I know exactly what he's talking about because I did have that problem and it took me a couple months to come up with a solution that worked for me.

Vapture I started at 24mg and very soon it was making me sick. I kept reducing it till I found that I could vape 12mg all day. The problem is that wouldn't keep the cravings at bay. Here's what worked. At the time I was using cartos but, I'd keep some 24mg juice and an atomizer with me. When I got to craving or I noticed I was sucking on my PV desperately, I would switch out to the atomizer and drip 3 drops of the 24. When those drops were gone (flavor falls off), I would go back to the 12. The craving would take about 10 minutes to pass. Don't vape the higher nic till the craving's gone you'll get too much.

 

[elfstone]

I don't want to be Captain Obvious, but is that the only juice you tried? Maybe it is nauseating? A lot of these pre-filled crapomizers from cigarette lookalike vendors are.

 

[Vapture]

The pre-filled crapomizers from the cigarette lookalike vendor, is less than stellar for sure, but was OK at first ... I'm also trying ejuice from two other suppliers. I'll try a different supplier as well, for more ejuice. .. .. ..

I don't want to be Captain Obvious, but is that the only juice you tried? Maybe it is nauseating? A lot of these pre-filled crapomizers from cigarette lookalike vendors are.

 

[elfstone]

Hmmm... this is unlikely because you would have mentioned it - you do not get juice in your mouth, right?

And it's just nausea - no palpitations, flushing, headache, tremors, dizziness etc.?

 

[JohnsWorld]

I agree with captain obvious....sometimes the prefilled carts are nauseating. There's only certain ones I can use and then not all day. Not to say this is the problem with your nausea, but it may be worth trying an ego and some delish flavors.

 

[Vapture]

Just nausea ... feels like too much nicotine/ejuice coating mouth/throat/etc. ... but not too much nicotine in terms of overdose. No juice spillage.

No signs of nicotine overdose, in terms of palps, dizziness etc.

So ... the juice (vendor) or ecig capability could be the issue.

Hmmm... this is unlikely because you would have mentioned it - you do not get juice in your mouth, right?

And it's just nausea - no palpitations, flushing, headache, tremors, dizziness etc.?

 

[elfstone]

The honest answer is "I don't know".

But it couldn't hurt trying to get more of a proven vaping setup.

There's a lot of info around here, and if you ask you're sure to get a thousand answers, but from where you are you have two main choices - the mainstream (in terms of this forum), which is an eGo clone, preferably a 3.7 V device such as KGO or Riva (in kits of two), or if you do not care spending a little more then two eGo Twists; or look into the Smokeless Image Volt devices - they have cigarette sized KR808 or even an eGo clone with KR808 threading that has excellent specs called X2.

Then, I would get several empty cartomizers and a couple of clearomizers / Stardust / CE4+ and sample packs from at least three-four juice vendors that are highly regarded around here.

That should, at best, propel you on the correct orbit in terms of vaping or, at worst, assure you that there is something with you that is incompatible with vaping. Do get at least some juice in all-VG and some in all-PG just to rule each of those out, and get one sample of 0 nic, for reference.

That's all I can think of for now...

 

[Vapture]

Agreed, the current ecig is my first try at the vaping thing. I didn't look into too much as this stuff was challenging to get in Canada in the past. Would have went with ego if I looked into it more. ... it's a learning curve.

I agree with captain obvious....sometimes the prefilled carts are nauseating. There's only certain ones I can use and then not all day. Not to say this is the problem with your nausea, but it may be worth trying an ego and some delish flavors.

 

[UncleKevin]

Another thought that I have not seen mentioned is that a lot of people "swallow" a portion of the smoke they take in while smoking. It could be that doing something similar while vaping is causing your nausea.

I do not think I do that but I know I had some frustrating days trying to adjust to the technique required to vape and actually get some nicotine.

Have you taken an honest look at your inhaling technique?

 

[elfstone]

Another thought that I have not seen mentioned is that a lot of people "swallow" a portion of the smoke they take in while smoking. It could be that doing something similar while vaping is causing your nausea.

I do not think I do that but I know I had some frustrating days trying to adjust to the technique required to vape and actually get some nicotine.

Have you taken an honest look at your inhaling technique?

Good point. But I also found it's easier to get the right technique with a manual battery (push button) than with auto ones (puff activated). So, yes, my recommendation is to get manual batteries from now on.