Nicotine mg comparison

[Boy have I got an eGo!]

Um... I am looking at the mg of nicotine in analogs, and they are coming up with numbers of .8 or 1.1.
I have 20ml of Marlbro ejuice that is 24mg of nicotine. How are these numbers figured out? Can they be compared?
Thanks
Harold

 

[FreakyStylie]

20 analogs X .8 = 16mg in a pack. The juice is 24mg/ml concentration. I don't think it translates directly across though.

 

[Boy have I got an eGo!]

That helps a lot! so it's 24 mg per ml. so I have a 20 mil container so that is 480mg for the entire bottle. How much nicotine I get a day depends on how much of the bottle I smoke up. Same with analogs. I used to smoke 30 analogs at .8. So that means 24 mg of nic a day. So If I vape 1 ml a day, I am getting about the same nicotine. Is this about right, or is my math/train of thought way off.

 

[mtisi]

20 analogs X .8 = 16mg in a pack. The juice is 24mg/ml concentration. I don't think it translates directly across though.

Okay, so it is per ml! I thought so, but I wasn't sure. I was having a hard time figuring it out. None of these e-liquid vendors bother to explain it.

 

[JD1]

I'm not an expert at all, but I've researched this a little and my understanding is that these numbers can be compared but not with any degree of accuracy. Basically, the 24 mg means the nicotine was added at a ratio of 24 mg per 1 ml. Assuming 20 drops per ml, that would be 1.2 mg per drop. Assuming 4 drops per 20 puffs, that would be 4.8 mg of nicotine contained in your 20 puffs as compared to .8 mg for 20 puffs from a filtered cigarette. . . . . . . . . . . Looks bad doesn't it. lol. The problem is, we've done a lot assuming there. Drop size varies and so does vapor per drop. as does puff sizes and amounts. Then we get to the really big variable because, by far, the biggest variable of all is the efficiency of the delivery system. Some studied have indicated that vaping may be very poor at delivering nic to the blood stream. . . . . . From reading on the forum here, it seems that most folks use trial and error to get to their comfort zone, sometimes with surprising results as light smokers sometime need high nic juice and heavy smokers sometimes settle in as very moderate levels. I use 24 in the morning, 18 there after. Again, this is just my understanding and may be totally wrong! lol ...... JD

 

[daleaik]

Assuming 4 drops per 20 puffs, that would be 4.8 mg of nicotine contained in your 20 puffs as compared to .8 mg for 20 puffs from a filtered cigarette. . . . . . . . . . . Looks bad doesn't it. lol.

While I agree that we are doing a lot of assuming here, I don't believe most of us get 20 puffs from an analog. I would guess 10 or 11 puffs, which would make things a bit closer in terms of total consumption of nicotine. Still, I agree that we are not really sure about the efficiency of the delivery system...

 

[harley05]

I think this all works out to around a buck three eighty!! lol

 

[phorbin]

I'm not an expert at all, but I've researched this a little and my understanding is that these numbers can be compared but not with any degree of accuracy. Basically, the 24 mg means the nicotine was added at a ratio of 24 mg per 1 ml. Assuming 20 drops per ml, that would be 1.2 mg per drop. Assuming 4 drops per 20 puffs, that would be 4.8 mg of nicotine contained in your 20 puffs as compared to .8 mg for 20 puffs from a filtered cigarette. . . . . . . . . . . Looks bad doesn't it. lol. The problem is, we've done a lot assuming there. Drop size varies and so does vapor per drop. as does puff sizes and amounts. Then we get to the really big variable because, by far, the biggest variable of all is the efficiency of the delivery system. Some studied have indicated that vaping may be very poor at delivering nic to the blood stream. . . . . . From reading on the forum here, it seems that most folks use trial and error to get to their comfort zone, sometimes with surprising results as light smokers sometime need high nic juice and heavy smokers sometimes settle in as very moderate levels. I use 24 in the morning, 18 there after. Again, this is just my understanding and may be totally wrong! lol ...... JD

absorption rate into the system is also a factor in vaping....about 75% of nicotine per puff is absorbed while smoking, i think the number for vaping is much lower, more like 40%...so again, while it looks bad at first, all the factors added up means you're getting less per puff, and doing a lot more puffing on a PV.

 

[hittman]

Also at the same time that you are trying to vape and not smoke, your body is cleansing itself of the chemicals that you are not getting that you used to be getting from cigarettes. It seems that alot of people go thru alot more liquid in the beginning and level off later. Besides the chemicals, none of the liquids contain the whole tobacco alkaloids that are in tobacco. For many, this is not a problem but for some like myself, we do not function well without the WTA's and substitute vaping with other lower risk types of tobacco like swedish snus. Sorry I got off on a bit of a tangent there. What I really wanted to say was don't worry about how much you vape at first. Use as much as you need to break you of the cigarette habit and worry about scaling back later.

 

[msjay]

I was wondering about the comparison also. I'm trying to budget out my e-liquids and get some idea as to the analog vs. vape to nicotine ratio. I guess there's really no set rules, but I have been looking around the forum trying get an estimate. It seems to be by trail and error?

 

[hittman]

There is a person that goes by Dvap who has done quite a bit of research and thought that I would post a link to one of the pages of his blog entries that might be of interest.

E-Cigarette Forum - DVap - Blogs

 

[FreakyStylie]

The math looks correct.

What I've read, like phorbin said, is that the nic in the juice is different than the nic in cigarette smoke. There are a ton of factors. I'm sure you could put "freebase nicotine" into google and get some more exacting answers, but to sum up . . . BT puts ammonia into cigarettes because ammonia breaks the bound nicotine molecules into free molecules allowing you to absorb more into your lungs . . . it's called freebasing.

That is just one of the factors of why the nicotine is absorbed differently into your body via vape vs smoke. I've found that I pretty much vape for about 5 minutes 4 to 5 times per hour (5 minutes on, 5-10 minutes off). My nic is usually 18. Sometimes, particularly during the weekends, I feel like I am getting a little too much and drip 2 drops juice followed by 1 drop vg. It's a matter of finding your "zone" I guess - kinda like when you were trying to find if you wanted full, light, etc smokes.

 

[JD1]

"I would guess 10 or 11 puffs"

I also think that would be more accurate. I also think that the drop count is off for the vapor also. I use about 2.5 ml per day but I think quite a bit of that is wasted. The drippers claim eight to ten good puffs from three drops, but man, look at the clouds some of those folks create.

Later, JD

 

[FreakyStylie]

There is a person that goes by Dvap who has done quite a bit of research and thought that I would post a link to one of the pages of his blog entries that might be of interest.

E-Cigarette Forum - DVap - Blogs

Thanks for posting that! Very interesting read.

 

[hittman]

You are welcome. Dvap is a chemist and has many interesting blog entries that are definitely worth taking the time to read.

 

[DVap]

The math looks correct.

I feel so much better.

When it comes to ecigs vs analogs and nicotine absorption, I spent a lot of effort trying to gather evidence that we were dealing with "The Tortoise and the Hare". This blog entry really doesn't get quoted nearly as much as some of my other entries, yet it discusses the whole basis of the oft-repeated misconception that analogs deliver nicotine far better than ecigs. They don't, they're merely faster.

 

[ScotTex]

I, being very new to vaping will agree that people who NEED a rush of nicotine NOW will choose an analog over an e-cig. I have come very close to buying analogs twice since I began to vape. Once when my battery died and another when a great-big trigger told me I needed a cig. :-O ...
I love how I do not want nicotine at the exact moment I wake up, big change for me.

I use to smoke 25 marlbro red-100s a day for 22 years. I have been vaping just over 2ml of 24mg juice a day.

 

[hittman]

Thanks for jumping in on this one DVap.

 

[FreakyStylie]

I feel so much better.

When it comes to ecigs vs analogs and nicotine absorption, I spent a lot of effort trying to gather evidence that we were dealing with "The Tortoise and the Hare". This blog entry really doesn't get quoted nearly as much as some of my other entries, yet it discusses the whole basis of the oft-repeated misconception that analogs deliver nicotine far better than ecigs. They don't, they're merely faster.

Very interesting. No wonder the gum fails for so many people. Most smokers crave that "nic fix" that the gum just won't deliver in the way their craving wants it.

It's funny, when I smoked, I would be just fine lighting one up, taking a couple drags, then putting it out. I would be fine with this for a shorter period of time though. This data shows an excellent example of why. Odd though, now that I'm vaping, I don't crave it immediately upon waking, but vape constantly after I start. Also, I can put it down, as opposed to smoking, I would still want one after getting ready to sleep.

Thanks for posting that. I'll have to check out more of your info!

 

[divinityman]

I thank you for the information,