Ok, so I've just gotten into DIY. The question I have is this. I normally vape 6mg/ml nicotine prebougt liquid. The two batches of DIY liquid I've made so far at 6mg/ml seem to have more of a nic hit than my premixed liquids. I've checked the amount of 100mg nic to use in two different calculators and gotten the same result. What could be causing the perceived difference in nicotine effects between my prebought and diy recipe? I mix using syringes and ml measurements instead of drops. I'm also using Nude Nictotine nic and flavorings atm. Maybe I should shoot for a lower level of nic in my recipes? I've noticed this at .8 ohm on dual coil build as well as 1.8 ohm on a single coil build.
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What is the PG/VG ratio of the commercial juice your buying and that of your DIY? Throat hit or harshness can be caused by increased PG versus VG. Also, many DIY calculators assume 100 percent PG as a base of most flavorings (if you select PG as the base), but not all flavors use all PG, some don't even use PG at all, like TFA's Absinthe, which is 10 percent Star Anise Oil, and 90 percent alcohol. The result is, you may end up with a thinner juice due to slightly more PG, and thus more harshness in the throat. Alcohol they say can also increase throat hit. The higher the power (ie. lower the resistance coil) the less nicotine you are gonna need. I vape at 18 mg, have always, at about 1.5 to 2 ohms.
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I do 40/60 mixes and prefer to buy that mix also, when I get the option. The flavorings I've been using are 100% VG. It's not throat hit I'm noticing. That's identical between my mixes, so I'm pretty sure I'm getting the PG/VG mix correct. It just feels that the nicotine strength is higher in my DIY mix when calculated at 6mg/ml using 100mg/ml base than it is in my store bought juices. So, I'm just wondering if my calculators are off, if i'm mixing incorrectly, or are store bought juices mixed a little below the stated nic content to avoid going over?
This is indeed strange. Frankly I don't know. I've never been able to fully distinguish or measure how much nicotine I am actually getting, aside from me needing to vape more or less frequently or getting a nic rush. You could invest in a nicotine testing kit, which may help answer your question. Also, yes, they might be less than accurate in terms of the specs on their juice. Good thing about DIY is YOU KNOW whats going into it and how its made for the most part, but when you buy commercial juice, all you know is what they tell ya.
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Some Nicotine's have a peppery bite. So maybe your using a different brand. Could be what you have been buying isn't truly 6mg. I would suggest that you just lower your nic level to say 4-5mg and see if that feels right to you.
What happens is....probably you are experiencing real 6mg/ml nicotine just now! I've seen that before, bunch of vendors seem to sell e liquids with lower nic than advertised, so in you are uncomfortable with your 6 mg/ml...try lower.
Have you made a Small batch on Unflavored 6mg/ml in you desired PG|VG ratio and then Tested it for Taste?
It shouldn't have Much Taste.
zoiDman's suggestion is a very good one. Your mix wont be right if your base is not right. Not all nicotine is created equal Some Nicotine is harsh and others are smoother. Testing and adjusting this is easy. Read my blog on adjusting your base.
Also remember venders are not all the pros that you think they may be and it's not unusual to get mixes rated at one thing and are actually lower. After all this is not always an exacting science. I've seen lots of venders use premixed base at lets say 6mg and as soon as they add flavor or DS the mg amount is reduced by the dilution effect of what they add into the base (Flavoring, DW, saline etc..). The more flavoring and additive percent they use the more the final effect that you see is under NIC'ed so the final mix seems smoother then if it were done the right way.
How to adjust your base to reduce that peppery harsh Nicotine taste
Also remember venders are not all the pros that you think they may be and it's not unusual to get mixes rated at one thing and are actually lower. After all this is not always an exacting science. I've seen lots of venders use premixed base at lets say 6mg and as soon as they add flavor or DS the mg amount is reduced by the dilution effect of what they add into the base (Flavoring, DW, saline etc..). The more flavoring and additive percent they use the more the final effect that you see is under NIC'ed so the final mix seems smoother then if it were done the right way.
How to adjust your base to reduce that peppery harsh Nicotine taste
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Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Again, the problem isn't the taste, but the strength. Like the difference between an ultralight stinky and full strength stinky. I think Art Mustel may be on the mark, the premade liquids I buy aren't actually 6mg, but close to 6mg. I know if I sold liquid, I'd probably mix a little light to keep from going over. Much the same way restaurants slightly undercook your steak in case it has to go back. Much cheaper and easier to cook it a little bit longer to get it closer than to have to totally redo an order because it's over done.
Can you Post your Recipe for your 6mg/ml
Maybe there is a Calculation error that you are just Not Seeing?
Ok. Here it is. This is v1 of recipe I'm working on. Tastes awesome, but I think I'd like to add something to get a creamy or custardy note in the background.
Tropical Cream Pie V1
| Nicotine Strength | 6.00 mg |
| PG Level | 40.00% |
| VG Level | 60.00% |
| Flavor Level | 10.00% |
| Amount to Make | 15.000 ml |
Ingredients | Ing % | Drops | Weight | Volume |
| Nicotine Base | 6.00% | 18.0 | 0.900 g | 0.900 ml |
| Nude Nicotine PG | 33.00% | 99.0 | 4.950 g | 4.950 ml |
| Nude Nicotine VG | 51.00% | 153.0 | 7.650 g | 7.650 ml |
| Nude Nicotine Banana Cream Pie | 5.00% | 15.0 | 0.750 g | 0.750 ml |
| Kiwi-Strawberry | 2.00% | 6.0 | 0.300 g | 0.300 ml |
| Mango Creme | 2.00% | 6.0 | 0.300 g | 0.300 ml |
| Sucrolose | 1.00% | 3.0 | 0.150 g | 0.150 ml |
I don't know why exporting this as bbcode from the calculator shows ingredients to be mixed in drops and g, when in the software it clearly shows milliters with no drops or grams
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As long as you put .900ml of 100mg/ml Nicotine Base and 14.1ml of Everything else, you will end up with 15ml of 6mg/ml e-Liquid.
And you Flavoring/Sweetener levels look Normal.
So here is my Last Question. Is the Retail 6mg/ml e-Liquid that you like 50%PG | 50% VG?
Nah, I prefer 40/60. When I'm given the option that's what I order. I do have some juices that you get whatever they decide to mix it at, but I prefer 40/60.
Well, if your Nicotine Base is 100% PG, and if you Flavoring is PG Based (most likely), then you Final ratio should be Close to 50|50. Not all that far from you Preferred 40|60.
Hard to say what is going on? How long have you let the Mix sit before you tried it?
Maybe you should try doing a 3mg/ml batch and see if you Like that better?
the nicotine could very well be the source of the problem - there are a couple threads on reddit talking about recent nicotine purchase from the same vendor (that you got yours from) that when tested was way over the 100mg/ml. the poster tested several times and has sent some off to the vendor.
Quality could play a factor too.A better quality nic may feel stronger than a low quality one would.I have noticed this when i switched between 2 suppliers,1 i could chain vape and have no effect,the other if i tried to chain vape,i would get that rush after a short time.
You may want to read this re: Nude Nic
http://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/2xz1ol/nude_nicotine_is_ridiculously_strong_follow_up/
Bottom line - his 100mg concentration was testing between 170-190mg, so what you're mixing as 6 might actually be closer to 12mg
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