Nicotine Solution

[90quattrocoupe]

Even in that FDA document, it talks about the Granfather Clause. If you could buy Nicotine, prior to 2007, then you should be able to buy it after regulations.

Greg W.

“tobacco products” marketed as of February 15, 2007, which have not been modified since then are considered “grandfathered” and are not subject to premarket review as “new tobacco products.” A “tobacco product” that is not “grandfathered” is considered a “new” tobacco product, and it is adulterated and misbranded under the FD&C Act, and therefore, subject to enforcement action, unless it has received premarket authorization or been found substantially equivalent. FDA has already developed draft guidance explaining how manufacturers can request a determination from FDA that a “tobacco product” is “grandfathered.”

 

[unknown_shooter]

Even in that FDA document, it talks about the Granfather Clause. If you could buy Nicotine, prior to 2007, then you should be able to buy it after regulations.

Greg W.

“Tobacco products” marketed as of February 15, 2007, which have not been modified since then are considered “grandfathered” and are not subject to premarket review as “new tobacco products.” A “tobacco product” that is not “grandfathered” is considered a “new” tobacco product, and it is adulterated and misbranded under the FD&C Act, and therefore, subject to enforcement action, unless it has received premarket authorization or been found substantially equivalent. FDA has already developed draft guidance explaining how manufacturers can request a determination from FDA that a “tobacco product” is “grandfathered.”

The danger there is that the FDA may not be able to outright "ban" the sale of nicotine in solution, they certainly would have the ability to regulate how & where it's bottled and packaged. They certainly can make things difficult for domestic suppliers by claiming the product is "adulterated" or packaged in "unsafe" conditions. As someone with restaraunt experience, I know that I could find a health code violation in any restaraunt in just a couple of minutes. It might be "nit picky", but that's all it takes to shut someone down, and if you've got a bug in your behind you can do it multiple times & force them out of business.

I'm also not so sure I'd hang my hat on an exemption based on nic juice being "available" in 2007 - was there anyone actually selling nic juice in 100mg/ml concentrations in the US in 2007? Were they using pharma-grade nic and VG, PG, etc? If we're talking about a "pharma grade" product, is it bottled like I.V. bags are prepared? - because there's a huge difference between "clean" and "sterile" when you're in the medical field..

If we're talking about a mixture of nic and juice, that isn't really the same thing as ground-up tobacco leaves.(it's a mixture of products being sold, not a single plant product). lots of room for an interpretation in there, and we know what side FDA is on.. and we also know that they can tie things up in court for years.

Not only that, but they can use the warnings right off our own DIY juice forum claiming that 100mg/ml unflavored nic juice is "dangerous", "kills puppies" and is used in "illicit labs" to create "kid friendly" flavors.. What about those poor postal-workers who could die a horrible death from a leaky bottle of nic-juice in shipment? If experienced vapers want to create their own monster warning label warning about the dire consequences of handling nic juice, who could blame the government for "protecting" us from it? I think we may have handed that one to them on a platter..

 

[Jcdew67]

I think they will just work on anything with Nicotine in it.

We use vapor in Haunted Houses,Concerts,school plays and other various events.To restrict anything that creates vapor would be a mess and anything that used it would require you to be 18 or older to be around it.

To tax the ingredients would raise the price of many other items since they are commonly used in many household items.

 

[Exhaler]

I would GUESS anything with nicotine in it will be targeted. Pretty hard to go after all the hardware too. You might have to buy the nic in person with a solid ID, pay the tax and grin and bear it. I would hope the nic juice itself won't be outlawed but with this administration's FDA, like their EPA, anything is possible just ask anyone in the coal industry.