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i was just talking about the actual product...
but yeah,the target thing was bound to happen eventually...
unfortunately its happened way too soon.
these devices are not fit for use by the general public yet.
i think this is gonna be damaging...
what are njoy thinking of?making a quick buck,im afraid...they could actually be hastening their own doom,and damaging acceptance of esmoking in general.
but yeah,the target thing was bound to happen eventually...
unfortunately its happened way too soon.
these devices are not fit for use by the general public yet.
i think this is gonna be damaging...
what are njoy thinking of?making a quick buck,im afraid...they could actually be hastening their own doom,and damaging acceptance of esmoking in general.
I think Casino sales are a good idea though. My brother's snooker hall folded last year shortly after the ban came in. The only thing that was keeping the place going was his Texas Hold 'em school, and as soon as the players couldn't smoke, it was sayonara. He's driving a lorry these days...
Oh hell no they're not! Anybody wanna join me and start a pile of our broken parts?
And I've only had my Njoy for a little over 2 months and I'm working on my 3rd atomizer. C'mon!
You're absolutely right T-Bo. I don't see anything good coming out of this, I'm afraid.
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Hi VP:
Let us know if it's like the Smart Fixx mini and if it works any better -- the same, or worse. I'd be interested to know.
As I understand it from both Jims, Jim Palasota of Njoy supplies Jim Youngblood of Smart Fixx. I'm not clear if that means EVERYTHING Smart Fixx sells is from Njoy, though; however, Jim Palasota of Njoy says they back up (1-yr. warranty) every Njoy product regardless of where the consumer purchased it.
And good thing you pointed out that the coupon code Smokey (case-sensitive) didn't work for you. I'll let Jim know as well.
I don't know who else works there besides Jim and Mark. And, yes, they are out on the road. They are coming back briefly tonight before heading out to Atlantic City tomorrow.
The one thing that worries me about nationwide rollouts (at least here in the UK) is that if our government gets a sniff that they might be losing out on lost revenue (a packet of cigs here costs on average £4.50 - $9 approx, of which 84% is tax) to the e-cig, they'll slap a horrendous tax on it to bring it inline with tobacco cigs. Our government has a vendetta against both smokers and motorists, seeing both as cash cows but with the added vindictiveness of the smoking ban and persecution of smokers
Precisely! That has been my worry all along, and I just see this getting the boot once the public becomes aware that we evil smokers are gettign our nicotine hits in public again- they'll start whining about 'the smell', about becoming ill around them, about how not much is known about hte safety of PG etc- them ore exposure this product gets, the quicker it will be banned because it's an unregulated nicotine delivery system. Special interest groups will be whining on Congress' doorsteps until they get this banned altogether- either that or it will become medically mandated- meaning we'll need a perscription to get them- so the medical comunity can get millions of dollars in patient visits to 'assess our medical needs & evaluate how well the eevice is workign' etc- which would be fine- except that it's a major hassel havign to go back to health center evertime our perscriptions run out
Seems we can't kill ourselves all by ourselves, we have to be taxed and regulated by hte medical comunity in order to kill ourse4lves enjoyably.
Oh hell no they're not! Anybody wanna join me and start a pile of our broken parts?
And I've only had my Njoy for a little over 2 months and I'm working on my 3rd atomizer. C'mon!
You're absolutely right T-Bo. I don't see anything good coming out of this, I'm afraid.
I'm workign on my 4th and it hasn't even been a month yet- SmartFixx- but I will say they have been really good about sending out new ones so far
All these starter kits hsould come with a minimum of 3 atomizers- two batteries, etc. Especially since it's in it's infancy & we the consumers are being hte companies guinne pigs- My goodness- we are after all taking a risk not knowing if the product's PG is even really as safe as these sompanies claim- Being htat we are essentially the control group for hte company tests, we should at the very least have a couple of atomizers and batteries offered to us with the purchase of hte products- especially for hte prices they are charging us & for hte fact that hte product is known to be unreliable with high failure rates
Ahh well I didn't know that. I don't want another of the same thing -- honestly it's just not that good and I actually like the pen style much better than the super mini. I definitely do not want another super mini. I think I'm just going to cancel my order.
Thanks for that info!
~VP~
i agree Emp,but i think the only thing on the market today that is practical for the purpose of casino sales etc,is the ruyan vegas disposable cigar...and it still needs to come down in price...
hopefully there will be cheaper and more discrete throwaways available eventually...
and then theres the inevitable backlash from the antis and the government to contend with...
Looks like I'm going to have to be a contrarian.
I think the Target roll out is fantastic. I too am worried about the failure rates of these things, but maybe, just maybe, a nation-wide rollout with one of the largest retailers in the US will give NJOY the money they need to do the research necessary to improve things. In addition to the extra money, having a billion times more irritated customers returning parts might provide another push for them to figure out how to make cheaper, better ecigs.
Or maybe the whole endeavor will cause NJoy and all the rest of this ecig business to implode and never be heard from again. I certainly hope not. But, regardless of the outcome, this is indeed an exciting development for us diet smokers.
I think the Target roll out is fantastic. I too am worried about the failure rates of these things, but maybe, just maybe, a nation-wide rollout with one of the largest retailers in the US will give NJOY the money they need to do the research necessary to improve things. In addition to the extra money, having a billion times more irritated customers returning parts might provide another push for them to figure out how to make cheaper, better ecigs.
Or maybe the whole endeavor will cause NJoy and all the rest of this ecig business to implode and never be heard from again. I certainly hope not. But, regardless of the outcome, this is indeed an exciting development for us diet smokers.
I'm with UncleMidriff on this one. While I share concerns about the quality, overall I think this association puts a stamp of credibility on ecigs like little else could. Yes there's Big Pharma or Walmart, but if I had to choose I'd much rather start with Target rather than Pfizer or Wally World.
If ecigs hit their brick and mortar stores they'll be in the Smoking Cessation/Alternatives aisle right next to the patches and nicotine gum. It's the best link we could ask for in the minds of the general public - just another one of those things for smokers, you can get 'em at Target over by the toothpaste.
I'm certain the relatives who've been ogling my ecigs will lose their leeriness about the product the second they view the Target webpage.
Having Target negotiate [pressure] for product and quality improvements will be a harpegazillion percent more effective than anything we write on this forum. And as UM says, the money from a Target placement will also speed the process exponentially.
Is there a chance the government or the poor quality could cause Target to stamp this a bust deal? Yes, of course, and I don't discount the concerns, I share them. However for the first time I see good reason to be optimistic about the future of ecigs and even their public usage.
I'm quite looking forward to wandering into Target this weekend, wearing my lanyards proudly! Well, wearing my lanyards dorkily, but let's not split hairs eh....
If ecigs hit their brick and mortar stores they'll be in the Smoking Cessation/Alternatives aisle right next to the patches and nicotine gum. It's the best link we could ask for in the minds of the general public - just another one of those things for smokers, you can get 'em at Target over by the toothpaste.
I'm certain the relatives who've been ogling my ecigs will lose their leeriness about the product the second they view the Target webpage.
Having Target negotiate [pressure] for product and quality improvements will be a harpegazillion percent more effective than anything we write on this forum. And as UM says, the money from a Target placement will also speed the process exponentially.
Is there a chance the government or the poor quality could cause Target to stamp this a bust deal? Yes, of course, and I don't discount the concerns, I share them. However for the first time I see good reason to be optimistic about the future of ecigs and even their public usage.
I'm quite looking forward to wandering into Target this weekend, wearing my lanyards proudly! Well, wearing my lanyards dorkily, but let's not split hairs eh....
The gov concerns me. Will they bite tax or ban it? I fear that our scumbags will ban - they really are a joyless bunch of freaks. On the other hand, the git in charge is so inept that he may not be able to pass up the income stream.
That's a good point. This might give them the push they need to improve the product. Also maybe lower their cartridge prices.
If I was to pick a major store to carry them, it would probably be Target. I feel less dirty shopping at Target than I do Wal Mart.
But yeah I also agree that they're not ready for mainstream. The product needs to be improved upon first.
It also depends on how they market it. If it's sold as a quit smoking device, or an alternative to cigarettes. Maybe as both...
I'm very interested to see what happens...
Just remember that Obama is an ex-smoker and only quit because his wife made him quit before he ran for president.
If he gets into office, having he may be on our team.
That is if he isn't a generic politician, and he's starting to look a lot more like one these days.
Just remember that Obama is an ex-smoker and only quit because his wife made him quit before he ran for president.
If he gets into office, having he may be on our team.
That is if he isn't a generic politician, and he's starting to look a lot more like one these days.
Yeah all those comments about his chewing bubble gum that his kids made in that family interview series? It's nicorette, not bubble gum.
~VP~
Just remember that Obama is an ex-smoker and only quit because his wife made him quit before he ran for president.
If he gets into office, having he may be on our team.
That is if he isn't a generic politician, and he's starting to look a lot more like one these days.
What good would that do? He'll raise taxes on everythign and we'll all be so poor we won't be able to afford to feed our vices anymore
Just remember that Obama is an ex-smoker and only quit because his wife made him quit before he ran for president.
If he gets into office, having he may be on our team.
That is if he isn't a generic politician, and he's starting to look a lot more like one these days.
I agree with Naz about the taxes. And if you think that somebody so liberal that he actually is less interested in immigrants learning to speak English than he is in Americans learning to speak Spanish, you got a real shock coming if this ..... ever gets into office and turns this whole country into an Obamanation.
Sorry, really a bad topic for this forum. It was a harmless thought that has the potential to open a political Pandora's box.
I withdraw and will make no further political comments.
Being a conservative, I just couldn't help myself, sorry.
That being said. Now for the reason I came here in the first place.
One of the problems with great service, like NJoy, is when all of a sudden that great service starts turning to good service and then to acceptable service.
1st, my emails read and answered right away, parts shipped 1st working day, then my emails read and answered right away, parts shipped a week later after prompting for shipment, to now, wonder when he's going to even read my email?
My respect for NJoy Mark, is really going straight down the tubes.
Maybe this new contract with Target has given them the feeling they don't need to give good service anymore.
Is anybody else having similar problems with NJoy?
One of the problems with great service, like NJoy, is when all of a sudden that great service starts turning to good service and then to acceptable service.
1st, my emails read and answered right away, parts shipped 1st working day, then my emails read and answered right away, parts shipped a week later after prompting for shipment, to now, wonder when he's going to even read my email?
My respect for NJoy Mark, is really going straight down the tubes.
Maybe this new contract with Target has given them the feeling they don't need to give good service anymore.
Is anybody else having similar problems with NJoy?
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