No Flavor Lemo!

[fishgod]

I haven't been at this long but wow it can get frustrating. I picked up a Lemo RTA and a Magma rda at the local shop along with some building supplies. My goal is flavor and not clouds. I have an IPV Mini 2 5-70 watts powering my atty's. I have tried various diameters, AWG's (24, 26, 28), and various ohm coils. I have tried sub-ohm, 1.1, 1.4, 1.8 home in 2mm, 2.5mm, 3mm. Just cant seem to find the magic combination. Using organic cotton for wicks. I have an Aspire Atlantis that currently is my standard and a close second is my Kanger Subtank Micro.
With the Magma RDA I have seem to find a sweet spot on dual coils It just seems to be the Lemo that is giving me troubles. Any help or direction would be much appreciated.

 

[edyle]

I haven't been at this long but wow it can get frustrating. I picked up a Lemo RTA and a Magma RDA at the local shop along with some building supplies. My goal is flavor and not clouds. I have an IPV Mini 2 5-70 watts powering my atty's. I have tried various diameters, AWG's (24, 26, 28), and various ohm coils. I have tried sub-ohm, 1.1, 1.4, 1.8 home in 2mm, 2.5mm, 3mm. Just cant seem to find the magic combination. Using organic cotton for wicks. I have an Aspire Atlantis that currently is my standard and a close second is my Kanger Subtank Micro.
With the Magma RDA I have seem to find a sweet spot on dual coils It just seems to be the Lemo that is giving me troubles. Any help or direction would be much appreciated.

First of all, its no surprise that you found the sweet spot on the rda; that's the good thing about an rda; easy accessibility so you can adjust .

Once you find what works on your rda, you should be able to apply that to the rta - although if you do a very high powered build on the rda it may not work out so good on the rta.


you can use the steam engine calculator to figure out the coil

Kanthal A1
gauge ----- watt per ohm (per coil) for 200mW/mm2
34 ----- 1.4
32 ----- 3
30 ----- 6
28 ----- 10
26 ----- 23
24 ----- 45
22 ----- 91
20 ----- 182

Coil wrapping | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

Current might be a more intuitive way of thinking about it.

gauge ----- current (Amps) for 200mW/mm2
34 ----- 1.2
32 ----- 1.7
30 ----- 2.4
28 ----- 3
26 ----- 5
24 ----- 7
22 ----- 10
20 ----- 13

 

[fishgod]

edyle,
The steam engine calc is my friend. I read lots of threads on the Lemo and the rave reviews of flavor. I have tried duplicating some of the builds but there seems to be no joy in my Lemo world.

 

[mesamay2003]

Maybe your coil is raised to high from the airflow hole in the build deck...I have had great results with my lemo drop

 

[jleeper]

Odd, I have a Lemo and a Magma that I use on a Smok M-80+, and I find that sometimes the Lemo rivals the Magma for flavor. I use a 1 ohm, 26AWG, 7 wrap coil, 3mm. And I wick it with either japanese organic cotton or rayon, each seem be quite similar in performance. You've probably tried that combo before; wish I could help more.

 

[edyle]

edyle,
The steam engine calc is my friend. I read lots of threads on the Lemo and the rave reviews of flavor. I have tried duplicating some of the builds but there seems to be no joy in my Lemo world.

My guess is your deck is probably flooding;
the build and wicking is very much like on a kayfun, so maybe check some youtube builds of kayfun.

other thing to watch is the seal at the top of the chimney; if it does not seal, your liquid will tend to leak and flood the fog chamber

 

[WeirdWillie]

All the answers to any Lemo question have been answered here

 

[Wolfenstark]

My build for quite a while now has been
26 gauge 3mm 8 wraps 1.2Ω. KGD tight in the coil then down to just touching the deck and away from the juice holes.
I used to juice the wick and paste it against the deck but found sometimes with a wide bottom going to a narrow top where the coil is it was getting a tad slow wicking. Now I put the chamber on and juice it up and push the wick ends away from the chamber, trying to keep the wick sort of uniform thickness from deck to coil but away from sides of chamber.
If It goes harsh its usually after i refill it and the wick has moved to block the holes.
I run it 18-22 watts.

 

[roxynoodle]

My newest build is my favorite, but its had good flavor with everything I've thrown in there. I'm using 27g, 2.5mm diameter, and 8 wraps for 1.3 ohm.

 

[fishgod]

My build for quite a while now has been
26 gauge 3mm 8 wraps 1.2Ω. KGD tight in the coil then down to just touching the deck and away from the juice holes.
I used to juice the wick and paste it against the deck but found sometimes with a wide bottom going to a narrow top where the coil is it was getting a tad slow wicking. Now I put the chamber on and juice it up and push the wick ends away from the chamber, trying to keep the wick sort of uniform thickness from deck to coil but away from sides of chamber.
If It goes harsh its usually after i refill it and the wick has moved to block the holes.
I run it 18-22 watts.

Wolfenstark
I just followed your build and it seems to be much better. Not better than the Aspire Atlantis but better. I think more of it had to do with your wicking explination. I will continue to try and tweek the build

 

[fishgod]

Well still working on getting a good combination for flavor. Currently running a .7 ohm coil of 26awg, seems to be decent but not great. Continuing the search for the best flavor coil.

 

[93gc40]

Well still working on getting a good combination for flavor. Currently running a .7 ohm coil of 26awg, seems to be decent but not great. Continuing the search for the best flavor coil.

OK, so you found OK flavor.. NOW using the exact same build as you have now add or subtact up to 1 wrap from the coil at a time till you get closer, to the flavor you are chasing. The key to flavor is SURFACE contact area of the coil, all other factors involved are just, ingredients, to make the surface area work. OH and I find if your are building for flavor. DO NOT LOOK AT THE CLOUD. Neither your EYES or "logic" need get into the tasting act.

 

[EdT586]

Depending on your e-juice mix, try it with a standard coil instead of a micro coil, you will get better flavors with a standard coil when using a thicker juice.

 

[wa9w00d]

Well still working on getting a good combination for flavor. Currently running a .7 ohm coil of 26awg, seems to be decent but not great. Continuing the search for the best flavor coil.

Hey fish, one thing I haven't seen mentioned here is airflow - I don't know what your "normal draw" is, but even before you start adjusting the restrictor, try slowing down your your draw. If the flavor improves, I would think you are thinning out the vapor, and need to close up the airflow some. Also keep "vapor tongue" in mind - sometimes you just get too much of a good thing, and have to give the taste buds a rest.

 

[orion7319]

^ this. If your going for lung hits and flavor, that's a bit harder. I'm not a lung hitter so I just adjust my airflow as I see fit. I use kayfuns and haven't tried a lemo though, so I can't really say what to shoot for with it. I know they supposedly have more airflow then the kayfuns, so I've never bothered with them for this reason.