No Resistance wire?

[Quoiyaien]

Hey guys,

Just vaping Halo Tribeca for the first time, and I must say this is one delicious tobacco juice...

I was browsing the rebuildable parts for my incoming Zenesis, and I came across no resistance wire... Can someone illuminate me on where, why, and how exactly one uses no resistance wire? I look for every excuse to tweak, and this seems like there may be something to it...

Cheers!

 

[purelyscientific]

There is no such thing.

Silver is the absolute best conductor, followed by copper, gold then aluminium.

If you put a current through a wire it loses some of its power. There is no getting around this. Its electricity 101.
The thicker and longer the wire, the more resistance it will have.
So a really fat wire a mile long will have a ton more resistance than a hair thin one an inch long.

Also, resistance increases as temperature increases.

The vendor is lying. I wouldn't buy from them.
That's false advertising and just plain stupid.
Please give a link to the website so I can confront them about it.

Happy vaping!

 

[Quoiyaien]

Ive seen it on several sites...

here is the one I was browsing:
NR Wire- .999 Fine Silver 30 Gauge Round Wire - $2.99 : Stormys Vapor Cellar, Electronic Cigarettes & More

Also, the lower the gauge (thicker) the wire, the less resistance it has...

In building guitars and amps, I understand how using low resistance connectors helps things along the signal path, and assume that one would somehow splice the kanthal with the fine silver wire... but again, I dont understand why and how to apply this to rebuildables... Is it simply to reduce the resistance of the coil?

Cheers!

 

[classwife]

Moved to Rebuildable Atomizer Systems

 

[nomi]

There is no such thing.

Silver is the absolute best conductor, followed by copper, gold then aluminium.

If you put a current through a wire it loses some of its power. There is no getting around this. Its electricity 101.
The thicker and longer the wire, the more resistance it will have.
So a really fat wire a mile long will have a ton more resistance than a hair thin one an inch long.

Also, resistance increases as temperature increases.

The vendor is lying. I wouldn't buy from them.
That's false advertising and just plain stupid.
Please give a link to the website so I can confront them about it.

Happy vaping!

Are you saying there is no such thing as a no resistance wire?

 

[cyclotron]

No resistance wire as it is talked about for e-cigs is used to connect your posts to the resistance wire/coil. This is done in some attys and such to make sure the heat is applied where you want it. You may or may not need to use it and you will find that some use it in places where others do not. For the Zenesis you might make a coil by putting silver wire on each end of nichrome or kanthal. In this way you can measure out your nichrome/kanthal to a set resistance and put silver wire leads on each end to connect to your posts. This means only your coil will heat up for the most part.

I also came up with the idea to wrap silver wire around the legs of the coil when rebuilding a VIVI head to eliminate the hot spots at the connector grommet.

 

[cyclotron]

Are you saying there is no such thing as a no resistance wire?

Unless you have a superconductor you have some resistance. This is just electric 101 stuff and is fairly irrelevant to e-cig discussion.
A more accurate description is low resistance vs. high(er) resistance wire. Resistance is just a measure of how readily the electrons flow across the medium and which is generally predictable by medium material and size. Bigger medium will typically produce lower resistance materials being the same. Silver is a very good conductor of electricity and as such, for the purposes of e-cigs, is "non-resistant".

 

[nomi]

Did it make a difference with the vivi nova? Also did you notch the sleeve or completely removed it?

Thanks.

No resistance wire as it is talked about for e-cigs is used to connect your posts to the resistance wire/coil. This is done in some attys and such to make sure the heat is applied where you want it. You may or may not need to use it and you will find that some use it in places where others do not. For the Zenesis you might make a coil by putting silver wire on each end of nichrome or kanthal. In this way you can measure out your nichrome/kanthal to a set resistance and put silver wire leads on each end to connect to your posts. This means only your coil will heat up for the most part.

I also came up with the idea to wrap silver wire around the legs of the coil when rebuilding a VIVI head to eliminate the hot spots at the connector grommet.

 

[cyclotron]

Did it make a difference with the vivi nova? Also did you notch the sleeve or completely removed it?

Thanks.

I can tell you for certain that wrapping your legs on a VIVI works. It isn't all that pleasant to do but it certainly eliminates the heat on the legs and the grommet. I came up with the idea and sat and watched a buddy build the one I'm using yesterday. We just threw the sleeve out completely. It isn't needed with silver wrapped legs.

If I could come up with a good/easy way to wet the legs with silver or other decent conductor it would be the bomb.

 

[nomi]

I can tell you for certain that wrapping your legs on a VIVI works. It isn't all that pleasant to do but it certainly eliminates the heat on the legs and the grommet. I came up with the idea and sat and watched a buddy build the one I'm using yesterday. We just threw the sleeve out completely. It isn't needed with silver wrapped legs.

If I could come up with a good/easy way to wet the legs with silver or other decent conductor it would be the bomb.

I am thinking of rebuilding it myself. Waiting on the wire to be delivered. Will have a go at it and see how it goes.

Thanks.

 

[MISTer E]

Quoiyaien here is an example of what cyclotron means with

This is done in some attys and such to make sure the heat is applied where you want it. You may or may not need to use it and you will find that some use it in places where others do not.

Here:

I used some low resistance pure nickle wire (& a toothpick) to set the hot resistance part coil where I wanted it. The low resistance wire keeps cool & only the resistance wire gets hot. An added + for my use here is that the air hole hits direct & I get more room under the hood to play with to insert a bigger coil width & diameter than I could achieve without using it.

*pure nickle has slightly more resistance than silver, but not enough to get it hot. I use both, but find silver very fragile & soft. Cool fact about silver: Its tarnish/oxidation does not hinder conductivity @ all!

 

[purelyscientific]

Are you saying there is no such thing as a no resistance wire?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. I just asked my dad, who is a been an electrician for over 20 years, and he confirms this.
Any wire will have resistance EVEN SUPERCONDUCTORS.

Furthermore, he says that resistance is what causes the heat. NO HEAT=NO VAPOR

So If there was such a thing as no resistance wire then it would NOT heat up when a current is put to it.
Resistance is what causes heat. No resistance = No heat. No heat = No vapor. No vapor = Bad for vaping!

Unless you have a superconductor you have some resistance. This is just electric 101 stuff and is fairly irrelevant to e-cig discussion.

Actually, my pops says that even superconductors have resistance.

He works at the Global Foundries Nanotechnology Chip plant in Malta, NY. So yeah, his credentials are pretty friggin solid lol

Happy vaping!

 

[j4mmin42]

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. I just asked my dad, who is a been an electrician for over 20 years, and he confirms this.
Any wire will have resistance EVEN SUPERCONDUCTORS.

Furthermore, he says that resistance is what causes the heat. NO HEAT=NO VAPOR

So If there was such a thing as no resistance wire then it would NOT heat up when a current is put to it.
Resistance is what causes heat. No resistance = No heat. No heat = No vapor. No vapor = Bad for vaping!


Actually, my pops says that even superconductors have resistance.

He works at the Global Foundries Nanotechnology Chip plant in Malta, NY. So yeah, his credentials are pretty friggin solid lol

Happy vaping!

Over short runs, though, and in the power ranges we're dealing with, the "NR" wire that we use has a resistance that is not significantly higher than 0. It has a measurable resistance- but only if you use very precise, expensive instruments to measure it. A few feet of silver wire, on the other hand, WILL have a measurable resistance- but it will still be relatively low when compared to most everything else.

 

[purelyscientific]

I agree, but thats not my point. 0 resistance is 0 resistance. They guy shouldn't be marketing it as 0 res because there is no such thing.
Its akin to false advertising. Besides that, 0 res wire wouldn't work in a atty. He is just trying to lure stupid people in who know nothing about electricity.(No offence to the OP, who, by using logic figured that the lower the res the better the wire)

Of course a 1/16 inch wire .1 nanometer thick is going to have damn near close to 0 res. But that wasn't my point. Res is res no matter how small.

 

[j4mmin42]

I agree, but thats not my point. 0 resistance is 0 resistance. They guy shouldn't be marketing it as 0 res because there is no such thing.
Its akin to false advertising. Besides that, 0 res wire wouldn't work in a atty. He is just trying to lure stupid people in who know nothing about electricity.(No offence to the OP, who, by using logic figured that the lower the res the better the wire)

Of course a 1/16 inch wire .1 nanometer thick is going to have damn near close to 0 res. But that wasn't my point. Res is res no matter how small.

I better read the rest of the thread lol.

Ok now that I read thru, I see you're prolly talking bout SVC...I personally just think he's using the term colloquially-I don't find it to be misleading. Again, in our usage of the term AND the product, it is, for all intents and purposes, correct.

It's akin to telling someone they can't call the sky blue anymore because it's just the way the light bends, not it's actual color...

...and it DOES have a place in an atty-if you know how to use it. Stupid people might try to make coils out of it and pop their $20 AW batts, but everyone has to learn the hard way now and again... LOL

 

[taofishdude]

"This is the most blatant case of false advertising since my suit against the movie The Never-Ending Story."

 

[j4mmin42]

"This is the most blatant case of false advertising since my suit against the movie The Never-Ending Story."

I LOL'ed after thinking about it for a moment.

 

[LucentShadow]

I agree, but thats not my point. 0 resistance is 0 resistance. They guy shouldn't be marketing it as 0 res because there is no such thing.
Its akin to false advertising. Besides that, 0 res wire wouldn't work in a atty. He is just trying to lure stupid people in who know nothing about electricity.(No offence to the OP, who, by using logic figured that the lower the res the better the wire)

Of course a 1/16 inch wire .1 nanometer thick is going to have damn near close to 0 res. But that wasn't my point. Res is res no matter how small.

You're confusing the issue, and made a confusing, incorrect earlier statement (FYI: Larger wire diameter does not increase resistance.)

Call it nearly non-resistant wire if you like, but for the purpose of building an atomizing coil, it is often used as the 'legs' of the wire that attaches to the connector. This concentrates the heat in the coil portion of the wire only, increasing the overall efficiency, and decreasing any damage that the heat may cause to any plastic or rubber insulators at the connector.

As for the rest of the original question:

It's often used by twisting two lengths of the nearly non-resistant wire onto either end of a length of resistant heating wire, then trimming the excess. Here's a tutorial on how one might use it in a rebuilt Vivi Nova head:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ystems/295410-vivi-nova-rebuild-tutorial.html

I sourced mine by removing strands from some old speaker wire. Some like to get .999 silver from jewelry-making vendors like Twisted Jewels.

 

[Quoiyaien]

Just so were clear, I never intended on making a coil out of the no resistance wire... I saw it sold alongside other rebuildable supplies which piqued my curiosity...

When modding amp circuitry (like a re-cap job on old vintage fenders), or building high end guitars, I always use silver solder because it causes less attenuation in the signal path, and as an OCD gear head, I like my signal path as neutral as possible... certain solders, wires, connectors, pots etc... attenuate the high frequencies and muddy up the sound... I like the notes to jump off the fretboard, and the better the dynamic response the more control I have over the drive of the tubes with my pick....

Being new to vaping, I was just curious how it was used in rebuildable atomizers (which has been answered quite thoroughly, thank you! )

Cheers!

 

[j4mmin42]

Just so were clear, I never intended on making a coil out of the no resistance wire... I saw it sold alongside other rebuildable supplies which piqued my curiosity...

When modding amp circuitry (like a re-cap job on old vintage fenders), or building high end guitars, I always use silver solder because it causes less attenuation in the signal path, and as an OCD gear head, I like my signal path as neutral as possible... certain solders, wires, connectors, pots etc... attenuate the high frequencies and muddy up the sound... I like the notes to jump off the fretboard, and the better the dynamic response the more control I have over the drive of my tubes with simple pick dynamics...

Being new to vaping, I was just curious how it was used in rebuildable atomizers (which has been answered quite thoroughly, thank you! )

Cheers!

As you said: QUITE thoroughly.