Non-Smoker took up e-cigs / Addiction Risk?

[Langston]

Some time back I started using a regulated mod for smoking e-cig juice. I really enjoy the flavor and find the thick smoke to be very appealing on some sort of cerebral level.

I have only been smoking between 3mg and 6mg of nic. I have seen plenty of posts from smokers who have started using e-cigs instead, and many of them warn non smokers to stay away because of the addiction.

I have not yet had the feeling that "I need to smoke" or anything associated with the addiction. However, I have not gone more than 24 hours without using it to see if I would have any type of craving for it. In my mind, I do not feel that I am addicted and could walk away at any time.

Is that the truth though? I am usually pretty critical on myself and what I am doing. If I feel I could be doing something that could affect me very negatively I will drop it, but don't sense that in this case.

How addictive could 3mg and 6mg be? Is it possible to smoke at those levels without any major repercussions or develop a strong addiction from it?

For those who were/are addicted, what was it like? What feelings do you have that make you feel like you need to smoke? If I share those feelings I fear that I may be addicted an unaware of it.

 

[dbrandt01]

Honestly why vape then? At least why not get 0mg nicotine? Why do you need nicotine? I just don't understand it, but I'm not your parent so it's your choice at the end of the day.
I used vaping to get away from smokeless tobacco and was very successful and my dad is being successful and went from 3 packs a day to none in 2 weeks.

The thing about being addicted everyone says they aren't. My dad is an alcoholic, but he'll deny it every time you mentioned it. Smokers say it all the time, hell i said it with Copenhagen in my lip I could stop anytime, but couldn't.

I'm at 6mg nicotine and and DIY so I cut mine down slowly with each batch. I constantly think about vaping if i leave house without it, even for 30 minutes. My hands shake and as weird as it sounds I get a headache when I don't vape for periods of time, but goes away when I vape.

 

[Baditude]

I was one of those who warned nonsmokers not to use e-cigarettes. Until my college-aged daughter (a nonsmoker) wanted to vape and changed my mind.

She rationalized that she found vaping a source of relaxation while she studied at college. She enjoyed trying my vape flavors and wanted her own vaporizer to use non-nicotine flavors. I reasoned she was at an age where peer pressure and stress could sway her to start smoking tobacco (remembering that's when I started smoking), and perhaps using a non-tobacco device could prevent a lifelong addiction to tobacco products.

She has been vaping no nicotine for a couple of years now and only uses the device intermittently. She is not addicted or dependent upon the behavior.

Please be aware that addiction or dependence can more than just for nicotine. The hand to mouth behavior, and inhalation/exhalation behavior, can be just as much a part of dependence or habit forming as the nicotine.

 

[Langston]

I should have mentioned in the post above, the reason why I used the juice with nic in it is because I like the light buzz and that kind of light relaxed feeling you get.

However, if that little nice feeling you get turns into a need rather than a want for that nice feeling I could be in trouble, but have not gotten to that point. At least I don't think I have.

 

[Langston]

I was one of those who warned nonsmokers not to use e-cigarettes. Until my college-aged daughter (a nonsmoker) wanted to vape and changed my mind.

She rationalized that she found vaping a source of relaxation while she studied at college. She enjoyed trying my vape flavors and wanted her own vaporizer to use non-nicotine flavors. I reasoned she was at an age where peer pressure and stress could sway her to start smoking tobacco (remembering that's when I started smoking), and perhaps using a non-tobacco device could prevent a lifelong addiction to tobacco products.

She has been vaping no nicotine for a couple of years now and only uses the device intermittently. She is not addicted or dependent upon the behavior.

Please be aware that addiction or dependence can more than just for nicotine. The hand to mouth behavior, and inhalation/exhalation behavior, can be just as much a part of dependence or habit forming as the nicotine.

That sounds very reasonable. What if she had wanted to smoke at the lowest 3mg and "planned", as they say, to go no further. How would that conversation have gone? What are your personal feelings on someone who decides to use low dose of nic to get a buzz and also flavor? Could it be a slippery slope?

 

[Susan~S]

What type of devise are you using?

Using 3mg-6mg on an ego twist style battery w/a protank is different than using some of the high vv/vw devises.

 

[Baditude]

She actually admitted that she has used up to 6 mg nic because, like you, she likes that little "buzz" feeling, which she feels helps her attention span like caffeine can.

She is an adult and is independent to do as she well pleases. To my knowledge she only vapes very infrequently. Not almost constantly like her father does.

 

[Langston]

What type of devise are you using?

Using 3mg-6mg on an ego twist style battery w/a protank is different than using some of the high vv/vw devises.

I am using the IPV3. It is adjustable up to 150w. Although I rarely go over 60w.

 

[CardinalWinds]

I don't know if vaping nicotine is addictive or not. A recent study has shown that in never before smokers, oral administration of rather high doses over a six month period in over 100 people produced not one case of addiction. The general consensus is that, absent the cigarette delivery system with its thousands of chemicals, nicotine has a much lesser potential for addiction. In fact, nicotine has some concrete positive benefits to certain mental health conditions and Alzheimer patients.

Rolygate has done a LOT of research on this: Is Nicotine Addictive ?

 

[Langston]

She actually admitted that she has used up to 6 mg nic because, like you, she likes that little "buzz" feeling, which she feels helps her attention span like caffeine can.

She is an adult and is independent to do as she well pleases. To my knowledge she only vapes very infrequently. Not almost constantly like her father does.

Those were my feelings on it. It is very similar to caffeine with a much shorter half-life so that I can actually sleep at night. It was only now that I started to second guess myself, and ask the question could I be becoming addicted. Or at the very least to watch out for the signs.

 

[Lessifer]

You might enjoy reading this:
Nicotine, the Wonder Drug? | DiscoverMagazine.com

The current science suggests that nicotine by itself(without tobacco smoke) is not addictive. That is not to say it can't be "habit forming." If you can go more than 8 hours without a vape and not feel like you're going to rip someone's head off or bounce off the walls, you're probably doing pretty good.

 

[Dmeinder]

It's also your choice to buy caffeinated or decaffeinated coffee.... I see no difference and continued association with smoking is what the politicians are using in efforts to ban.

I say power to Ya, and glad you enjoy it. Did you know there is thread on here somewhere of a university professor using vaping for positive nicotine effects?

Cheers!

 

[Langston]

It's also your choice to buy caffeinated or decaffeinated coffee.... I see no difference and continued association with smoking is what the politicians are using in efforts to ban.

I say power to Ya, and glad you enjoy it. Did you know there is thread on here somewhere of a university professor using vaping for positive nicotine effects?

Cheers!

This and the post above. This is great to hear. There is so much anti-smoking rhetoric it is hard to seek out the proper facts and become truly informed on what the risks are in reality. I wonder why nicotine is singled out of all the other chemicals found in cigarettes that make it addictive.

 

[BlueSnake]

My advice to any non smoker that wants to vape would be to do so without the nicotine.

I spent 50 years of my life smoking. I didn't think I would ever be able to quit cigarettes. Then I tried vaping 2 1/2 years ago and luckily haven't looked back. I also realized that this was also an opportunity to wean myself off of nicotine. So very gradually, every 2 to 3 months I would lower my nic level by 2mg. I started vaping at 20mg and now vape at 2 to 3mg. I do not feel the need to vape constantly and know if I had to I could quit vaping tomorrow.

I would say this, as someone who has been addicted to multiple substances in my lifetime, addiction creeps up on you without you even knowing it happening. What can seem harmless can over time become a full blown addiction without you even realizing it's happening.

My advice to anyone is to not introduce any foreign chemicals into your body unless you're willing to run the risk of becoming addicted or accepting the health risks. This comes from someone who spent a lot of my life making bad choices. JMHO

 

[mesamay2003]

Not sure where the myth started that you had to be a former smoker to start vaping...there are plenty of vapers out there who never smoked cigarettes. I suspect they either tried it with a friend and liked it, thought it was cool or whatever, or they considered smoking analogs, but resisted due to the known dangers and went the e-cig route instead. As for nicotine addiction, that is certainly a possibility, but to me there is much more to vaping and smoking than the lure of nicotine.

 

[jwitfield]

I don't know if vaping nicotine is addictive or not. A recent study has shown that in never before smokers, oral administration of rather high doses over a six month period in over 100 people produced not one case of addiction. The general consensus is that, absent the cigarette delivery system with its thousands of chemicals, nicotine has a much lesser potential for addiction. In fact, nicotine has some concrete positive benefits to certain mental health conditions and Alzheimer patients.

Rolygate has done a LOT of research on this:

That is an awesome link there man... lots of good info..

Thanks

 

[ceedee]

I don't know if vaping nicotine is addictive or not. A recent study has shown that in never before smokers, oral administration of rather high doses over a six month period in over 100 people produced not one case of addiction. The general consensus is that, absent the cigarette delivery system with its thousands of chemicals, nicotine has a much lesser potential for addiction. In fact, nicotine has some concrete positive benefits to certain mental health conditions and Alzheimer patients.

Rolygate has done a LOT of research on this: Is Nicotine Addictive ?

And it's not just with oral administration that it's been shown to be non-addictive.

Among the many interesting conclusions from a small-scale 6-month double-blind pilot clinical trial of nicotine treatment of mild cognitive impairment using 15mg/daily by patch was that:

No withdrawal symptoms were reported by subjects or informants nor were any subjects reported to be continuing to use nicotine after the study was completed.

As a new member I'm unable to directly link to the publication (Neurology. 2012 Jan 10; 78(2): 91–101) but a Google search for "PMC3466669" should produce several hits.

Edit: Nicotine treatment of mild cognitive impairment

 

[klynnn]

The reason that nicotene is the only thing people seem to care about is because they have heard about it non stop from the MSM for the last 20 years. It has been touted as the cause of everything modern medicine doesn't have an answer for.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

If you stay with it long enough you will become addicted to nicotine.

Took me a while to become addicted to cigs many years ago. It does not happen instantly.

Vaping is very likely not as harmful as smoking however it is not safe. And that is not counting in the nicitone, it may be the safest ingredient in vaping. Time will tell, but indications are that high wattage vaping can give off some harmful chemicals.
Again I say it is obviously safer than smoking but not totally safe.

 

[MagicJosh]

Some time back I started using a regulated mod for smoking e-cig juice. I really enjoy the flavor and find the thick smoke to be very appealing on some sort of cerebral level.

I have only been smoking between 3mg and 6mg of nic. I have seen plenty of posts from smokers who have started using e-cigs instead, and many of them warn non smokers to stay away because of the addiction.

I have not yet had the feeling that "I need to smoke" or anything associated with the addiction. However, I have not gone more than 24 hours without using it to see if I would have any type of craving for it. In my mind, I do not feel that I am addicted and could walk away at any time.

Is that the truth though? I am usually pretty critical on myself and what I am doing. If I feel I could be doing something that could affect me very negatively I will drop it, but don't sense that in this case.

How addictive could 3mg and 6mg be? Is it possible to smoke at those levels without any major repercussions or develop a strong addiction from it?

For those who were/are addicted, what was it like? What feelings do you have that make you feel like you need to smoke? If I share those feelings I fear that I may be addicted an unaware of it.

Its like a coffee in the morning, Very satisfying. If your gonna inhale anything, its better vaping then smoking. Your an adult, just make a wise decision. I wouldn't vape if I wasn't addicted to nicotine from inhaling tobacco (cigarettes). That's the truth. zero nicotine is silly to me, but some people really enjoy it. But yes it's VERY addictive.