North Carolina fight soon to start.

[jim420]

Today (May 19) is the day that our governor, Bev Perdue, has said she is signing the smoking ban in ALL public places. All restaurants, bars, everyplace. The reason this is relevant to this forum is that this is going to bring vaping to the forefront here, as it has in other places.
I am already allowed to vape in several places that are completely smoke-free, but this may be a moot point, as the legislature will, I am sure, rush to close what in their ignorance they will see as a loophole that will need to be plugged.
Any advice from legal types/activist types on how to head this off? I know other states are already having this problem.
DYSLEXICS OF THE WORLD, UNTIE!

Thanks,
Jim

 

[OutWest]

Sorry to hear I never understood this total ban mentality. IMHO it should be up to whomever owns the building that the business is located in and then if smoking is allowed inside, require a warning sign on the door. State and county owned buildings, sure, ban it there. But privately owned businesses??? *shaking head*

 

[jtwh20]

it amazes me that the state built on tobacco now treats the industry like the red headed stepchild - but that didn't stop them from increasing the tax with the budget shortfalls...

 

[mamacat]

Today (May 18) is the day that our governor, Bev Perdue, has said she is signing the smoking ban in ALL public places. All restaurants, bars, everyplace. The reason this is relevant to this forum is that this is going to bring vaping to the forefront here, as it has in other places.
I am already allowed to vape in several places that are completely smoke-free, but this may be a moot point, as the legislature will, I am sure, rush to close what in their ignorance they will see as a loophole that will need to be plugged.
Any advice from legal types/activist types on how to head this off? I know other states are already having this problem.

Thanks,
Jim

Good ole Bev Perdue may sign it today , but we have until January 2, 2010, for it to take effect. So, we have a little time to get a plan formulated.

Let me know if I can help at all, as I am not a legal eagle but am a willing activist. It would be nice to ban together - stand as one.......

 

[QueenInNC]

it amazes me that the state built on tobacco now treats the industry like the red headed stepchild - but that didn't stop them from increasing the tax with the budget shortfalls...

Why does it have to be a RED HEADED step child?


Just kidding!!! No offense take at all!!! lol

This ban is garbage! The bars in my area will lose a ton of business!!

 

[jim420]

Sorry to hear I never understood this total ban mentality. IMHO it should be up to whomever owns the building that the business is located in and then if smoking is allowed inside, require a warning sign on the door. State and county owned buildings, sure, ban it there. But privately owned businesses??? *shaking head*

I had the same stand about it in other states that I have visited. However, that does not prevent our government "of the people" from enacting these stupid laws and taking away our freedoms. Look at history...Prohibition????
Thank for your input.
Jim

 

[mamacat]

it amazes me that the state built on tobacco now treats the industry like the red headed stepchild

AMEN!

but that didn't stop them from increasing the tax with the budget shortfalls...

When did NC add an additional tax to cigarettes?

 

[Dilutetrips]

I only vap now. The bans are so dumb. 2nd hand smoke is a joke if you realy look at the facts. Your chances of lung cancer is very low. Radon gas is the leading cause of lung cancer in non smokers, but how much do we hear about radon gas? Tax smokers take their rights away. I also find it strange that bars that are serving a toxic liquid that leads to many social problems can not let people smoke because the smoke may cancer.

 

[TDM]

Good ole Bev Perdue may sign it today , but we have until January 2, 2010, for it to take effect. So, we have a little time to get a plan formulated.

Let me know if I can help at all, as I am not a legal eagle but am a willing activist. It would be nice to ban together - stand as one.......

NC Vapors against those rotten tobacco people. Lets see what you got NC!!
Put all those tobacco people in there place!

 

[jim420]

Good ole Bev Perdue may sign it today , but we have until January 2, 2010, for it to take effect. So, we have a little time to get a plan formulated.

Let me know if I can help at all, as I am not a legal eagle but am a willing activist. It would be nice to ban together - stand as one.......

WE may have to, however, I wouldn't want to address the issue too soon. Doing that may put it "in their face" and make it a problem even faster.
IMHO, we would also gain much more support by promoting analog users to start vaping, thus having a larger number of people to have a louder voice. Not to mention that we would be helping analog users reduce or quit using them.
Stay in touch in this forum and be certain to keep your ear to the ground if the legislature addresses vaping (like they don't have other, far more important problems to deal with).
-Jim

 

[QueenInNC]

I only vap now. The bans are so dumb. 2nd hand smoke is a joke if you realy look at the facts. Your chances of lung cancer is very low. Radon gas is the leading cause of lung cancer in non smokers, but how much do we hear about radon gas? Tax smokers take their rights away. I also find it strange that bars that are serving a toxic liquid that leads to many social problems can not let people smoke because the smoke may cancer.

I only vape too, but you'd be surprised at how many places that are non smoking will not allow vaping either!

 

[jim420]

NC Vapors against those rotten tobacco people. Lets see what you got NC!!
Put all those tobacco people in there place!

The sorriest thing of all...vaping gets the nic for our juice from...where? That's right, tobacco. Lets shoot the corpse of the tobacco industry again.

-Jim

 

[mamacat]

This ban is garbage! The bars in my area will lose a ton of business!!

Hey Queen,

If your bars are "private," like most in WS, then they will be able to skirt this ban. The ban does not apply to private clubs (i.e., country clubs will be able to still maintain cigar bars).

Here is a small part of an e-mail I received that might help:

"The legislation prohibits smoking in all enclosed areas of restaurants and bars throughout the state. Cigar bars and private clubs (nonprofit clubs such as the VFWs or country clubs) are exempt from the prohibition."

So, hopefully, the bars in your area will become private in an attempt to get around this ban.

Take care.

 

[jim420]

it amazes me that the state built on tobacco now treats the industry like the red headed stepchild - but that didn't stop them from increasing the tax with the budget shortfalls...

I notice your avatar. I live in Concord, home of Lowe's Motor Speedway...That's right, where the Coca-Cola 600 is next week. It is also the home of (for a couple of more months while they close it down) the largest cigarette factory. They drove the Phillip Morris people to shut down our plant and transfer all operations to Richmond. Talk about absolutely STUPID.

-Jim

 

[jim420]

Hey Queen,

If your bars are "private," like most in WS, then they will be able to skirt this ban. The ban does not apply to private clubs (i.e., country clubs will be able to still maintain cigar bars).

Here is a small part of an e-mail I received that might help:

"The legislation prohibits smoking in all enclosed areas of restaurants and bars throughout the state. Cigar bars and private clubs (nonprofit clubs such as the VFWs or country clubs) are exempt from the prohibition."

So, hopefully, the bars in your area will become private in an attempt to get around this ban.

Take care.

The only problem with that (I have a friend who owns a bar) is that the NC ABC has different laws that the owners have to bow down and kiss their a** to meet to go private. They get you coming and going.

 

[mamacat]

IMHO, we would also gain much more support by promoting analog users to start vaping, thus having a larger number of people to have a louder voice. Not to mention that we would be helping analog users reduce or quit using them.
-Jim

Already doing that in Winston. Trying to get a group of heavy smokers to try it. I already have at least five and am working on more. I have a meeting place that can be used - free of charge. It would be nice if NC suppliers could come and help with the education part. If you or anyone knows of an interested supplier - please PM and let me know.

 

[mamacat]

The only problem with that (I have a friend who owns a bar) is that the NC ABC has different laws that the owners have to bow down and kiss their a** to meet to go private. They get you coming and going.

Don't they have to comply with the same ABC rules, in order to sell iquor? We have a friend, whose dad was the former DA here, and he owns a bar and they had to be private to sell liquor - or at least that is what I understood him to say. Can you clarify for me?

Many thanks.

 

[jim420]

Don't they have to comply with the same ABC rules, in order to sell iquor? We have a friend, whose dad was the former DA here, and he owns a bar and they had to be private to sell liquor - or at least that is what I understood him to say. Can you clarify for me?

Many thanks.

It is just that they have more restrictive laws regarding alcohol sales in private clubs than in public..I know it is hard to believe, but yes, even MORE restrictive. I don't know all the specifics, but my friend is having headaches seeing if he can comply. It also has to do with local zoning ordinances. Not all bars zoning would allow it to go private. Silly stuff.

 

[mamacat]

It is just that they have more restrictive laws regarding alcohol sales in private clubs than in public..I know it is hard to believe, but yes, even MORE restrictive. I don't know all the specifics, but my friend is having headaches seeing if he can comply. It also has to do with local zoning ordinances. Not all bars zoning would allow it to go private. Silly stuff.

Seems so absurd - huh?

 

[Di]

that is one huge dog.......8-o

what is it,

I have commented on it a couple of times
trying to get you to talk about it,

I can't stand it any longer.....

I gotts to know .....