Not getting enough vapor

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ebonyknight

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or maybe I am doing it wrong? Got my 510 on Saturday. Have been using it since and not used an analog. I converted over to the mouth draw method instead of my analog lung draw two days ago (kept coughing).

I draw a decent amount in my mouth and there is vapor, but when I inhale then exhale, there is next to nothing. One of the pleasures (for me) with analogs was exhaling a cloud of smoke.

Maybe that's the nature of a liquid vapor, or am I doing it wrong, or do I need to move on to a bigger/better unit? I also find that I am going through a lot of liquid (or am I?) I have almost finished the equivalent of a 3ml bottle after about four days. Is that a lot? From what I have read, I seem to top off a lot more, to get more vapor. I got a sample pack from Johnson creek and find that I need a whole dropper to charge a cart then find myself needing to top off.

I get a decent amount of vapor if I keep it in my mouth and blow it out, but then I don't absorb any nic by doing that.
 

breakfastchef

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Different e-liquids produce different amounts of vapor. Assuming your equipment is functioning properly, try other e-liquids from different vendors.

One way to bump up vapor production is to add some glycerine (also referred to as vegetable glycerine) to your liquids. Start with 90% e-liquid and 10% glycerine. Glycerine is widely available from drug stores, health food stores and e-liquid suppliers. Dilution of your liquids will reduce flavor cooncentration so experiment in small batches.
 

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I have no issues producing vapor, but last week i had a buddy of mine trying one of my 901s for the evening. He couldnt produce vapor...well just a little bit. I couldnt figure it out. It seemed if he left it in his mouth and didnt inhale he had plenty of vapor, but when he inhaled, nothing came out.

Turns out he was holding it in his lungs too long which resulted in the vapor dissipating. Just a thought. I tend to inhale and exhale relatively quickly.
 

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or maybe I am doing it wrong? Got my 510 on Saturday. Have been using it since and not used an analog. I converted over to the mouth draw method instead of my analog lung draw two days ago (kept coughing).

I draw a decent amount in my mouth and there is vapor, but when I inhale then exhale, there is next to nothing. One of the pleasures (for me) with analogs was exhaling a cloud of smoke.

Maybe that's the nature of a liquid vapor, or am I doing it wrong, or do I need to move on to a bigger/better unit? I also find that I am going through a lot of liquid (or am I?) I have almost finished the equivalent of a 3ml bottle after about four days. Is that a lot? From what I have read, I seem to top off a lot more, to get more vapor. I got a sample pack from Johnson creek and find that I need a whole dropper to charge a cart then find myself needing to top off.

I get a decent amount of vapor if I keep it in my mouth and blow it out, but then I don't absorb any nic by doing that.

I think almost all of us enjoy exhaling that massive cloud of vapor and the 510 is known to put out a pretty good cloud. Although it's not my main vape of choice anymore, I can attest, along with at least half the forum, to the amount of the vapor it does put out. But there are definitely a few things that could cause it to be far less then expected.

Sometimes atty's actually take a few days to break in, and you just have to be a bit patient. In the meantime here's a few other things to try that could also cause minimal vapor.

First make sure the battery is fully charged. Also you didn't say if it's auto or manual batteries, but if they're auto, [activates just by drawing on it], try taking a quick primer puff, pausing, and then taking a longer hit that you inhale. But before doing anything you need to blow out the atty.

Ok, lets blow out the atty. If it's flooded, that all but kills the vapor output. Unscrew it, take it off, and blow it out into a napkin. Repeat that a few times until no more juice comes out, or until you get dizzy and faint, whichever comes first. Then dry off the connections on the atty really good, and also on the battery, (just to make sure it's clean too). Put it back on the battery. Prime it with about 4 drops and try it now. You can take the filler out of the cart for this.

When you want to use the filler material again, you want to make sure it's no more then a tiny bit beneath the top of the cart. It has to make contact with the wick in the atomizer for the juice to flow properly.

You could also just leave out the filler material, and just put about 3 drops directly into the atty. Each time you do that, you'll get about 8-10 hits. Then just add a few more drops when it needs it. A lot of people like this because it draws easier, without the filler material blocking any air flow, and also gives a slightly better hit with more flavor.

So the easiest, (and most likely to help), thing is to blow it out. Then try it with out the filler for a bit and see if that helps. If you do prefer to use a full cartridge instead of dripping, you may need to fiddle with the cart filler a bit to get it just right. Lots of posts about that in this forum.

Also, if the juice is pure PG, the vapor will be very very thin. You can Add some Glycerin to the juice which will increase the vapor output. It's cheap, and you can buy it at Walmart, or most any Pharmacy. As long as the label has USP on it, it's fine to vape. It will also thicken your juice a bit, so you don't go through it as fast. You also reduce flavor as you add it, so experiment with only a small amount of juice to start. Oops, I saw Breakfastchef already mentioned this one when I added my edit.

Anyway, you can also try a different atty if you have one. Some are better then others.

And read the first 2 stickies towards the top of the page in new members forum. Absolutely TONS of great info there, including a FAQ. It's a must read for noobs [no offense, we've all been there].

You should also check out the 510 Model specific forum .

Let us know how it goes.


EDIT - I almost forgot. Congratulations on not smoking since Saturday. :D
 
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ebonyknight

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I'll try adding some glycerine. I have some at home from CVS, that I was going to use to make soap with.

I have read different things about adding it though. One person says a few drops to a 3 ml bottle is sufficient, and I saw another who says 3:1. 3 mls PG to 1 ml glycerine.

Is there any agreed upon ratio or is it a preference thing?

I also only got one batt and atty. I am getting some more in the mail today, so i will see if that makes a difference.

Lastly I saw one person say that if you don't initially break in the battery properly by charging first for eight hours, then using for an hour the recharging to top off the battery, that may hinder vape production.

A lot of good advice here, but sometimes there is some non-intuitive if not confusing advice.
 

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I have read different things about adding it though. One person says a few drops to a 3 ml bottle is sufficient, and I saw another who says 3:1. 3 mls PG to 1 ml glycerine.

This is something you will have to experiment with. Mix in small batches and start with a few drops of glycerine. You can always add more.

I also only got one batt and atty. I am getting some more in the mail today, so i will see if that makes a difference.

Your best vapor production os off a freshly charged battery.

Lastly I saw one person say that if you don't initially break in the battery properly by charging first for eight hours, then using for an hour the recharging to top off the battery, that may hinder vape production.

Err on the side of caution and follow the directions supplied with your device.
 

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The glycerin I have is "pure glycerin" from CVS. I don't see USP on it anywhere and it says for external use only.

I assume that's a no go. Correct?

One should vape only USP glycerin. If it is not USP then there are likely impurities that do not have to be removed since it is not food grade. I got USP grade glycerin at CVS, so maybe it is in another section, or ask the pharmacist.

I use Heritage veg glycerin from Whole Foods. I believe it is USP. Very clean, and I find it very good for DIYs. I don't use PG, and I cut the thickness with 100 proof vodka. My DIY juices with my 510 make mad vapor, and are quite tasty. BTW, many people here say the 510 atty kills flavor. Even as low as 10% flavor, if the juices I make had any more flavor it would be too much! With VG juices, however, you really do have to thin them. And thinning also brings out the flavor more.

And what breakfast is saying: freshly charged batt and clean atty are key to good vapor production. The 510 is a great PV, but finicky, and getting it work optimally is a journey, which is IMHO worth making. I love mine.
 

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Good luck with the VG. This will undoubtedly give you the vapor production you are looking for...and you've definitely got the best model (aside from a mod) for making plumes of vapor!! I would just be a little careful at first, since VG is also used as a laxative it may cause some stomach discomfort. If you get a stomach ache, you'll know why...

Happy Vaping!
 

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Good luck with the VG. This will undoubtedly give you the vapor production you are looking for...and you've definitely got the best model (aside from a mod) for making plumes of vapor!! I would just be a little careful at first, since VG is also used as a laxative it may cause some stomach discomfort. If you get a stomach ache, you'll know why...

Happy Vaping!

I found this stomach effect with PG, but have not at all had this with VG. You are correct, VG is used for this, so it could certainly happen, but it is not my experience, and I am generally very sensitive to those sorts of things. everyone is different, though.
 

ebonyknight

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Got the VG glycerine and vodka 100 proof. Added about 6 drops to my 3 ml sample bottle. Now I seem to have the lingering vapor I was looking for. But the exhalation vapor is still a little slight. I guess I will need to play with it and or order VG juice next time.

Any one have a formula for VG with an existing Johnson Creek sample?
 

breakfastchef

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Got the VG glycerine and vodka 100 proof. Added about 6 drops to my 3 ml sample bottle. Now I seem to have the lingering vapor I was looking for. But the exhalation vapor is still a little slight. I guess I will need to play with it and or order VG juice next time.

Any one have a formula for VG with an existing Johnson Creek sample?

Some vapor will dissapate in the lungs, so you should expect less vapor on the exhale. Keep toying with VG if you are hung up on the visual effect of blowing smoke.
 
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