Not really digging rebuildables,keep at it or go back to SubOhm tanks?

[The60WattGUY]

Hey vapers!

Im pretty New at vaping started at the end of januari havent smoked since then and vaping became my hobby i even collected multiple box mods since then since i love Boxey mods hehe and im huge fan of lost vape,geekvape,voopoo...
Anyway decided to go to rebuildables since i was using the reg SubOhm tanks with coilheads...
So i bought 3 RDAs geekvape tengu,Wasp VLS,and dead rabbit v3, flavor is fine but its very finicky like when i build it its very frustrating alot of times my coils never glow at the same time or other issues they vape fine tho but to get it to vape as good as SubOhm tanks it takes a while for me to play with it and i get frustrated like i said, should i keep at it?
Or go back to tanks?
Also i really like my tanks should i maybe try a RTA as well?
Or give up rebuildables totally
Has anyone here given up on rebuildables before?
Not sure what to do heh

 

[AXIOM_1]

Basically it boils down to if you want to purchase coils the rest of your vaping career or if you want to go the inexpensive route and build your own coils......

I have never stopped building coils and doing wicking but I have to say that it is getting old.....I do it because it is very inexpensive for wire and cotton..... Lots of sub ohm tanks have great flavor..... Also lots of RTAs have great flavor as well.......... So you have to decide for yourself if you want to build coils or buy factory coils for sub ohm tanks..... Nobody can really point you in the right direction as this is something you have to determine.

 

[englishmick]

In addition to what @AXIOM_1 said, there's no guarantee that coil heads will go on being available. It's worth making the effort now to figure out building so you can't be dumped on by some new regulations or whatever.

It can be tricky when you first start but it gets easier. You said something about the coils not glowing at the same time. Is that with dual coils? They say that adds another level of difficulty. Maybe get single coils figured out first. I know there is mountains of advice on ECF about building coils.

Good luck.

 

[The60WattGUY]

Yes dual coils ill just stick with it is mean once i get it going its good for a while so..
But yea they never glow evenly or as fast but still vapes great but like u said ill get better with time and flavor is the same as my Zeus and uforce l tbh same clouds too so ill just keep at it thx guys

 

[ShamrockPat]

There are very few tank coils that are continually made for years. Even if they are made, availability to you can become problematic.

Watch video reviews on your RDAs. Watch their coil placement and wicking. Don't get an RTA until you've got your RDA's perfect. Wicking is the hardest part to get just right and RDAs are way more forgiving.

 

[DavidOck]

In addition to what @AXIOM_1 said, there's no guarantee that coil heads will go on being available. It's worth making the effort now to figure out building so you can't be dumped on by some new regulations or whatever.

Yep, that's the big question! As the makers come out with new designs, the old heads often go the way of the dodo, and then what??

Yes dual coils

DO make sure that the coils are perfectly matched in resistance. If they're not, uneven heating and poor performance are pretty much guaranteed.

 

[AXIOM_1]

@The60WattGUY , I can't add much more than what the other members have already pointed out.... If you decide to stay with rebuildables, then like anything else in life, practice will make you better.... Before you know it you can be doing builds in your sleep. Also when you get used to using one RDA/RTA then you get to know that specific atomizer well and learn all it's difficult parts.

Like others have said, if you can no longer get coils for a sub ohm tank then you might as well use the tank for a paper weight because it will be useless at that point in time.... There are many people here who use only factory coil heads with sub ohm tanks as they do not desire the hassle of building. But they also know that getting coils forever for the tank is not likely as they only produce a limited number of coil heads with each tank that is developed..... What some people will do, provided they have the money, is when they purchase a tank then they stock up a lifetime supply of coil heads.... But that is expensive.

 

[Javichu]

I gotta break a lance for Sub-Ohm tanks.

I hated the wicking part of rebuildables,placing coils is ok since they last a long time but having to rewick every couple of days was a deal breaker for me.

Yes further along the line you will ''maybe'' be in a situation where you can't find coils for the tank you're using but if you stick to well known brands there is less of a chance of that happening to you in the near future.

Take Vaporesso,Aspire etc,i don't see them stopping make them coils anytime soon,heck the PnP coils have been out for a long time and they still kicking.

A lot of factors come into place when making the decision,country you live,sub-ohm tank you want to make your main and the list goes on.

The way i see it they will never stop making sub-ohm tanks,so lets say you buy a sub-ohm tank of a brand lets call it brand X,get 2 or 3 years of use out of it until you can't get more coils.
Chances are a better tank is released from that brand or maybe from another brand,when it comes to sub-ohm vaping no need to worry you will still be able to vape using a sub-ohm tank.

Yes its cheaper to use a rebuildable and just go thru all the process of the wicking and changing the coil when needed,personally that is just not for me.

I gave up on rebuildables and i am way better than i was before,this is just a personal experience,we all different so what applies to me may not work for you.

If you decide to stick with rebuildables well good luck and just reach out to the folks here if you have any questions or need any help,all these folks are really a bunch of knowledgeable and helpful people.

Cheers

@The60WattGUY But they also know that getting coils forever for the tank is not likely as they only produce a limited number of coil heads with each tank that is developed.....

Sorry buddy,going to need to see some documentation or something to corroborate that.
Doesn't seem feasible for a company to just make a ''limited'' amount of coils and then drop production.
Keep in mind drop in coils does make them a lot of money,3 boxes of coils is basically the cost of the tank (more or less,depending on the brand and type of coil).
And those coils you will be using day in and day out which is a steady influx of money coming in from just the coils they making.

Maybe with some tanks they do that but i find it hard to believe they would not bother to produce more coils if those are selling well,it would mean they would have to design another tank and design other coils.

Some brands have the allure of cross compatibility when it comes to coils,different devices but you can still use the same coils.

 

[AXIOM_1]

Sorry buddy,going to need to see some documentation or something to corroborate that.
Doesn't seem feasible for a company to just make a ''limited'' amount of coils and then drop production.

We all know you like your coil heads as you have told me before. That's great because a lot of people prefer to use coil heads instead of building....Nothing wrong with that.......... As someone who reviews products you know full well that they develop tanks faster than rabbits reproduce..... The one upside of coil heads is that the newer ones are cross compatible with different tanks... But a person still has to purchase the coil heads over and over again and so a tank is dependent upon the continued purchasing of coil heads.... Good luck in finding coil heads for some of the older sub ohm tanks.....

People who use rebuildables do not have to "depend" upon purchasing coil heads. They can buy a bunch of wire and cotton for extremely little money and never have to depend upon anything..... A sub ohm tank without a coil head is quite worthless. Might as well have a car without an engine.

Personally, and if I could afford it, I would probably be using coil heads and sub ohm tanks. But the pragmatic builders out there do not have to rely on purchasing coil heads. They have their future covered and do not have to ever worry about obtaining/purchasing coil heads.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

If you want full control over your vaping experience - - - NOTHING will ever beat rebuildables. Fact.

With drop-in coils - - - the quality of the coils are at the mercy of XYZ manufacturer. And how long they decide to make them. Drop-in coils are an expensive route to go. Furthermore, they simply cannot produce the same quality of vape as rebuildables.



The biggest part Not Yet Said in this thread - - - when the government of whatever country you are in gets a wild hair up their azz and decides to regulate the vaping products you purchase - - - or WORSE, bans certain vaping products - - - - - - What Will You Do Then???

If you have a good number of rebuildables - - - ^^^^^^^^^ - - - that is of no concern. Fact.



Honestly . . . . . . Learning to build and wick is not very difficult. At All.


I would strongly suggest starting with a Single Coil setup and getting that down 100% before moving into dual coil setups. "learn to walk before you run"

 

[Str8vision]

If you like the convienance and flavor of factory sub-ohm coils then go that route, life's good, enjoy!. However, it might be wise to learn how to use RBAs and keep a few on-hand.

Personally I don't like or use factory coil-heads. Price, long term availability, hit/miss manufacturing quality, the cost of adult signature shipping and the real potential for future regulatory -problems- down the road. I use RBAs but no longer make my own coils. I found pre-built coils that I liked and stockpiled a lifetimes worth back when they were cheap. I've been vaping for over a decade and have tried every type of coil imaginable, from simple to fancy, wire and mesh, factory coil-heads and hand made. For me nothing beats these pre-built multi core fused Clapton coils for flavor or longevity. It costs me less than two dollars to rebuild all of my RBAs for an entire year. Since I already have everything I need on-hand costs will never increase and future state/federal rules/requirements will have zero impact. Peace of mind is priceless.

 

[AXIOM_1]

Everybody keeps saying that how you vape and what type of atomizer you use is a matter of personal preference and this is true. But it is also more than that....... It's also a matter of expense and what a person can afford to purchase. I will not try to convince anyone as to what type of an atomizer to use even though as far as expense is concerned, a rebuildable cannot be beat and in a minute I will show the math as to why they can't be beat..... The truly important thing though is that no matter what type of an atomizer you use that you are no longer smoking and that is what is important/vital. I have personal friends who belong to this forum and they use tanks with coil heads but they can afford it. Some of us (like myself) can't afford it.

So I hope this info helps newer vapers in deciding what type of an atomizer they want to use.... I will start off by taking a look at factory coil heads in sub ohm tanks and then move on to rebuildables. That way you can make up your own mind..........

Factory coil heads vary in price. Generally speaking, the physically larger the coil head then the more they cost. But let's look at the typical mid wattage coil head. They are often sold in packs of 5 or packs of 3.......... Let's say that you purchase a 5 pack of coil heads from a retailer for $12 US dollars. Now each one of those coils will last between 1 1/2 weeks to 2 weeks depending upon the juice/wattage used.... This would mean that those 5 coil heads will last (1.5 weeks X 5 = 7.5 weeks)...... That also means that you will use this many packs of coil heads (52 weeks / 7.5 weeks = 6.9 packs) within a year time span. This also means that within a year you will spend ($12 x 6.9 packs = $83)

Now suppose you use the same coil heads for 20 years provided that vaping is found not to be very harmful and kill us off before then or that the manufacturer is still even in business.......... Also suppose that you purchased a tank for about $30...... This would mean that at the end of 20 years you would have spent an additional ($83 x 20 = $1,660) and that is not even counting the initial cost of the tank.....These vape manufacturers are making money hand over fist on sub ohm tanks, especially when you consider that it only cost them about $5 to make the tanks and then they turn around and make all of that money off of selling you coil heads...

Now let's look at how I have experienced rebuildable atomizers..... Let's first examine the creation of single-wire coils.......... You can purchase a 100 foot roll of most any gauge vaping wire for around $8.... I can usually make two coils out of one foot of wire. This means that with a 100 foot roll of wire you can make (100 x 2 = 200 coils)......... If you clean and dry burn the coils regularly they will last 2 months or longer. ... This means that 200 coils from a roll of wire would last (200 x 2 months = 400 months or 33,3 years).... So, for $8 worth of wire you can create single-wire coils for 33.3 years..... And to look at it from another angle, each single-wire coil you make will only cost you 4 cents....

If you ever build more complicated coils, then their cost is also almost non existent.... I spin my own claptons and they are not much more than single-wire coils. If I create a dual-core clapton then I am only using twice the amount of wire as a single-wire coil. Of course there is the outer wrap that surrounds the core but that cost is also almost non existent...

So if you desire an easy, no-fuss way to vape and if you can afford them then the newer coil heads are hard to beat for ease of use. But if you plan on vaping for a long time and want to cut costs on your habit as much as possible then rebuildables cost almost ZERO to maintain.

I hope this info helps some of you decide which type of vaping atomizer you prefer to operate....

 

[Territoo]

Factory coil heads vary in price. Generally speaking, the physically larger the coil head then the more they cost. But let's look at the typical mid wattage coil head. They are often sold in packs of 5 or packs of 3.......... Let's say that you purchase a 5 pack of coil heads from a retailer for $12 US dollars. Now each one of those coils will last between 1 1/2 weeks to 2 weeks depending upon the juice/wattage used.... This would mean that those 5 coil heads will last (1.5 weeks X 5 = 7.5 weeks)...... That also means that you will use this many packs of coil heads (52 weeks / 7.5 weeks = 6.9 packs) within a year time span. This also means that within a year you will spend ($12 x 6.9 packs = $83)

You forgot to factor in the shipping costs. If you buy a year's worth of packs at once, 7 packs, that can be $15-$25 in shipping costs. Plus, in the US buying from a US supplier, there's the additional $7 adult signature fee. So add another $22 per year to your costs. All of this assumes no price increases in the future, and we all know that's not going to happen. The price of the coils will go up and the price of shipping will go up. They only way to avoid that is to buy a lifetime supply upfront.

 

[AXIOM_1]

You forgot to factor in the shipping costs. If you buy a year's worth of packs at once, 7 packs, that can be $15-$25 in shipping costs. Plus, in the US buying from a US supplier, there's the additional $7 adult signature fee. So add another $22 per year to your costs. All of this assumes no price increases in the future, and we all know that's not going to happen. The price of the coils will go up and the price of shipping will go up. They only way to avoid that is to buy a lifetime supply upfront.

Let's not overwhelm them No I did not forget I just didn't mention it. But yes, all of that factors in to the cost as well and I am glad you pointed it out......

I mean @Territoo , there was once a time where I did not like sub ohm tanks very much. That was back in the day when the coil heads were composed of single-wire coils and the flavor was none too swift from most of them..... But that all changed with the invention of the mesh coils, In my opinion that is the best thing that ever happened to a sub ohm tank for flavor..... I can totally understand why people like them for ease of use..... But for me, why pay all that extra money when you don't have to?

Not only that but the technology may change and in the future atomizers may not even use coils at all. But that will not matter to a person who has a rebuildable with a spool or two of wire because they can keep on vaping the same way they have no matter what may have changed.

 

[Technonut]

I'm fairly certain that most folks who've been using RDAs / RTAs for a period of time get tired of rebuilding once in awhile. For those times, I do have a VERY large stash of my favorite factory coils on-hand, which I obtained here and there over the years when on-sale.

I also enjoy rebuilding PnP coils with these little inexpensive kits. Only takes me a matter of minutes to have a fresh coil to enjoy (The logged-in 'bronze' level price is MUCH less):

Wotofo SMRT PnP Rebuildable Coil Kit

Wotofo SMRT PnP Coil is fit for Wotofo SMRT Pod Kit, interchangeable with VOOPOO PnP Coils/Vaporesso GTX Coils, perfect for RDA experience with less hassle, cut down on coils waste

www.sourcemore.com

Wotofo SMRT PnP Meshed-Cotton Set 10pcs

Wotofo SMRT PnP Mesh & Cotton Set is designed for Wotofo SMRT Pod Kit/SMRT PnP Pod, 0.2ohm coil resistance, perfect for the fun of rebuilding, provides great vapor production, 10pcs each pack.

www.sourcemore.com

I also noticed these for the SMOK V8 Baby coils:

Wotofo SMRT V8 Baby Rebuildable Coil for nexMINI Subtank

Wotofo SMRT V8 Baby Rebuildable Coil Kit fit for Wotofo MDura Mini Kit, interchangeable with SMOK V8 Baby Coil series,TFV8 Baby Tank/TFV8 Big Baby Tank/Stick Prince Baby/TFV12 Baby Prince Tank.

www.sourcemore.com

 

[TARTARA]

I prefer my RTAs and RDAs, i have quite amount of SS316L wires and cotton, im building simple single coils on Temperature Control somewhere around to 15 - 17.5Ws on RTAs, and around to 20 - 25Ws on RDAs... and im good to go... !

 

[Territoo]

I do have a lifetime stash of coils for the TFV12, and a few various other coils for tanks I have, so I'm not opposed to these. They're being saved for when I can no longer see to build.

 

[Letitia]

I would also suggest you keep at least one rebuildable in rotation just to improve your building skills and also agree you should get at least one rta, single coil, top air. Much less frustrating to learn with.

 

[AXIOM_1]

I'm fairly certain that most folks who've been using RDAs / RTAs for a period of time get tired of rebuilding once in awhile.

Yes, I know I get tired of it..... But I keep doing it because it is so inexpensive.... I do use sub ohm coil heads on occasion but rarely purchase any.

 

[chanelvaps]

I have personal friends who belong to this forum and they use tanks with coil heads but they can afford it. Some of us (like myself) can't afford it.

I am one of these friends! I learned to build before I learned DIY. There has always (since 2011) the scare of vaping no longer accessible. It seemed essential to me to be able to vape forever with the giv taking it away from me. I feel vaping saved my life

I'm fairly certain that most folks who've been using RDAs / RTAs for a period of time get tired of rebuilding once in awhile. For those times, I do have a VERY large stash of my favorite factory coils on-hand, which I obtained here and there over the years when on-sale.

Bouncing off of what Tech says and giving my own opinion.
After about 5 years of swearing by rebuilding, favs then (2012-2018) Steamcrave and Taifun) all of the sudden I was JUST OVER all the tinkering and wanted ease. I went with drop-ins and never looked back. I have masses amounts of drop in coils for Freemax and Lost Vape and Voopoo stashed all over the house.All bought on sale and in large quantities so as not to pay shipping costs. If I did not have this supply I would feel insecure. Enough for years and years. Will I always have the latest and greatest? NO. Do I care? NO. I just care about not smoking.

I would also suggest you keep at least one rebuildable in rotation just to improve your building skills and also agree you should get at least one rta, single coil, top air. Much less frustrating to learn with.

THIS^^ learn how to build, keep a stash of stuff for building but go with what works for you and if it is drop ins, buy in bulk