Me too. Well I say I have several models, I got rid of everything else (including my 510s) in favour of the 401
Not really Happy with Joye 510 - suggestions?
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You've gotten some good answers here (from Kristin in particular), but I'd like to address this part of your concern
Look, I love my m401. I don't use anything else now, and I'm not going to knock it!
However, I don't think a M4 series ecig is going to address your issues. The M4 series ecigs have leeeeeetle bitty batteries and as such, will have a comparable battery life to what you have got.
In addition, they also have leeeetle bitty carts, so ditto! (Although, they are making 'em bigger these days, I hear. Haven't had a chance to try some of the larger carts, but there is no way they are huge!)
If battery life is your primary concern, I echo the advice to either invest in more batteries and a PCC, or look at one of the big battery mods.
If you don't care about looks, a big battery mod with a pen style atomizer (and thus, a pen style sized cart) are going to provide you with what you are looking for.
If you are hung up on having something that looks and feels like an analog, then, unfortunately, small carts and short battery life are what you are trading off.
Look, I love my m401. I don't use anything else now, and I'm not going to knock it!
However, I don't think a M4 series ecig is going to address your issues. The M4 series ecigs have leeeeeetle bitty batteries and as such, will have a comparable battery life to what you have got.
In addition, they also have leeeetle bitty carts, so ditto! (Although, they are making 'em bigger these days, I hear. Haven't had a chance to try some of the larger carts, but there is no way they are huge!)
If battery life is your primary concern, I echo the advice to either invest in more batteries and a PCC, or look at one of the big battery mods.
If you don't care about looks, a big battery mod with a pen style atomizer (and thus, a pen style sized cart) are going to provide you with what you are looking for.
If you are hung up on having something that looks and feels like an analog, then, unfortunately, small carts and short battery life are what you are trading off.
In my experience, this isn't strictly true.
My EVO batteries last twice as long as my standard 510 & slightly longer than my Mega.
While the carts are indeed smaller, the atty doesn't burn as hot so it's not as thirsty, also my 501 carts didn't wick as well as my 401s, meaning that when it seemed to be empty the cart was still half full. Whereas my EVO carts nearly without fail vape until they are bone dry.
Fair enough. Because I latched on to the EVO first, I never felt the need to try a 510, since they do, you have to admit, fill something of the same niche.
However, I still think if the OP is very concerned about battery life, then anything with a small, "cigarette sized" battery isn't going to do the trick.
This isn't to bash my favorite ecig, mind! I abandoned big batt mods in favor of my m401.
However, I still think if the OP is very concerned about battery life, then anything with a small, "cigarette sized" battery isn't going to do the trick.
This isn't to bash my favorite ecig, mind! I abandoned big batt mods in favor of my m401.
The only reason I tried them was because they had manuals & the amount of people banging on about them on another forum. I wish I had saved my money
Fair enough, although depending on how heavily you use them, you can get between 3 & (at a push) 8 hours out of a fully charged EVO.
First you have one of the best atomizers made. The battery doesn't live up to it. 1 -1.5 hours tops if you're over a 1 pack a day smoker. It's usually too confusing to recommend mods to new members but what you're running into with the batt is pretty normal when, like Scott says, we all tend to powervape at first - even for a few months. This is esp. true if you're at too low of a nic level with your juice.
You can get more batts - probably 2 more would keep you vaping without the possibility of running out. Or you could get mega batts for the 510 that last about 2 twice as long - you could probably get by with one of those on top of the 2 regular ones. If you have no consideration that it has to look like a cigarette, then I'd suggest taking a look at this video:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/video-reviews/43943-bartleby-pv-review.html
And then my post further on down the thread here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/video-reviews/43943-bartleby-pv-review-6.html#post732483
... where I suggest what is needed for someone without a kit. You'll only need the charging cord and a wall and car adapter from cignot.
Just to get an idea - batteries are rated in milliamp hours - mAh
Your regular batts are 150 mAh
Megas are 280 mAh
The 14500 in the Bartleby is 900mAh. I've had one last a day and a half and I was the three pack a day smoker. I also was hitting another ecig with another flavor during that time but I usually have about 5 flavors going ;-) So for that 'test' I laid off the others. Normally I only have to recharge it before going to bed and it lasts the whole day without recharging.
The other aspect which you mention is how you are getting good hits right after recharging. You could go to batteryuniversity.com and see the graphs on voltage use but that initial charge for a 3.7V battery is almost 4.2V (4.1x) and the more mAh's you have on the batt, the longer it holds that higher voltage charge - so rather than a minutes for the regular 510 batt, with the 14500 you are holding that voltage for hours before it drops into the 'average range'. That..... makes quite a difference not only in vapor but how much nic you're getting.
Just this week, (after 5 months of vaping but after a month of having the Bartleby) I've noticed I'm putting it down more than I was with the regular ecig batts or even the megas.
There is so many pluses to mods - in the event of a ban - the batteries can be had anywhere. The only things you will need are atomizers and juice. I could (and just might) sell my stash of 510 batts and megas. I take the bartleby whereever I go. I have no consideration on how it looks. it fits snuggly in the palm of your hand. It would be a 'stealth vape' were it not for the amount of vapor it produces - as someone pointed out ;-) The insides are epoxied so no worry about dripping on the atomizer although with the 510 2 drops is plenty.
The only thing you might change is the cart filler. The easiest is as Robert points out PTB - Lipton Pyramid Tea Bags mod:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/cartridge-mods/34401-ptb-plug-full-510-cart.html#post527318
Use the second one - the 'folded top' I make two folds (the juice goes to the folds) and then wrap it around a toothpick with the folds on the outside, that way the center is smooth and the atomizer goes right in the center and is surrounded by juice. It looks like it would leak but it doesn't as he demonstrates in the video. No straw, no plug (although later you might want to look up and try the 'plug mod' - I have a few of both). And while the bartleby with a 510 atty will suck up the juice (ie more vapor) it will suck it dry. And you won't have stale juice building up at the bottom of the cart well.
My guess is if someone went this way they'd be dropping nic level after a month, because for a while you'll still be power vaping.
The Bartleby goes for $50 much less than most other mods and you get two 14500 batts. Those batts go for about $3 for a pack of 2 some places. You don't need a charger because the charger's built in and you use that charging cord off a usb wall plug (watching tv) or car plug while driving - another thing that you'd have to pay extra for most other mods.
OR you could buy a couple more 510 batts and make that move 4 months down the road like I did. lol But - you have the right atomizer for it. It's as if the 510 atty was made for this mod.
You can get more batts - probably 2 more would keep you vaping without the possibility of running out. Or you could get mega batts for the 510 that last about 2 twice as long - you could probably get by with one of those on top of the 2 regular ones. If you have no consideration that it has to look like a cigarette, then I'd suggest taking a look at this video:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/video-reviews/43943-bartleby-pv-review.html
And then my post further on down the thread here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/video-reviews/43943-bartleby-pv-review-6.html#post732483
... where I suggest what is needed for someone without a kit. You'll only need the charging cord and a wall and car adapter from cignot.
Just to get an idea - batteries are rated in milliamp hours - mAh
Your regular batts are 150 mAh
Megas are 280 mAh
The 14500 in the Bartleby is 900mAh. I've had one last a day and a half and I was the three pack a day smoker. I also was hitting another ecig with another flavor during that time but I usually have about 5 flavors going ;-) So for that 'test' I laid off the others. Normally I only have to recharge it before going to bed and it lasts the whole day without recharging.
The other aspect which you mention is how you are getting good hits right after recharging. You could go to batteryuniversity.com and see the graphs on voltage use but that initial charge for a 3.7V battery is almost 4.2V (4.1x) and the more mAh's you have on the batt, the longer it holds that higher voltage charge - so rather than a minutes for the regular 510 batt, with the 14500 you are holding that voltage for hours before it drops into the 'average range'. That..... makes quite a difference not only in vapor but how much nic you're getting.
Just this week, (after 5 months of vaping but after a month of having the Bartleby) I've noticed I'm putting it down more than I was with the regular ecig batts or even the megas.
There is so many pluses to mods - in the event of a ban - the batteries can be had anywhere. The only things you will need are atomizers and juice. I could (and just might) sell my stash of 510 batts and megas. I take the bartleby whereever I go. I have no consideration on how it looks. it fits snuggly in the palm of your hand. It would be a 'stealth vape' were it not for the amount of vapor it produces - as someone pointed out ;-) The insides are epoxied so no worry about dripping on the atomizer although with the 510 2 drops is plenty.
The only thing you might change is the cart filler. The easiest is as Robert points out PTB - Lipton Pyramid Tea Bags mod:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/cartridge-mods/34401-ptb-plug-full-510-cart.html#post527318
Use the second one - the 'folded top' I make two folds (the juice goes to the folds) and then wrap it around a toothpick with the folds on the outside, that way the center is smooth and the atomizer goes right in the center and is surrounded by juice. It looks like it would leak but it doesn't as he demonstrates in the video. No straw, no plug (although later you might want to look up and try the 'plug mod' - I have a few of both). And while the bartleby with a 510 atty will suck up the juice (ie more vapor) it will suck it dry. And you won't have stale juice building up at the bottom of the cart well.
My guess is if someone went this way they'd be dropping nic level after a month, because for a while you'll still be power vaping.
The Bartleby goes for $50 much less than most other mods and you get two 14500 batts. Those batts go for about $3 for a pack of 2 some places. You don't need a charger because the charger's built in and you use that charging cord off a usb wall plug (watching tv) or car plug while driving - another thing that you'd have to pay extra for most other mods.
OR you could buy a couple more 510 batts and make that move 4 months down the road like I did. lol But - you have the right atomizer for it. It's as if the 510 atty was made for this mod.
Sounds to me like you need higher nicotine juice.I have to admit,... when I was gradually cutting back on regular smokes this was working great. Now that I have tried to cut them out.. my body is needing much more vapor, throat hit, punch. Whatever you want to call it!
And that will help you vape less, which will in turn help with all of your other issues.
The blue foam worked better than anything else for me.
In fact, I would have been completely satisfied using that as my filler.
But just for fun I decided to try the ADM mod and that ended my search.
I won't even bother trying anything else, because it can't get better than perfect.
It appears TW is coming out with a new mega cart and mega atty's around Christmas.
Titan Polished Silver clasped Case. Coming soon / Totally Wicked e-Liquid / electronic cigarette eliquid nicotine fluid products
Titan Polished Silver clasped Case. Coming soon / Totally Wicked e-Liquid / electronic cigarette eliquid nicotine fluid products
And, with the longer cartridge, extended atomizer and mega battery, it will be mega long!
The thing that worries me is the filler materials being heated and decomposing molecularly and being inhaled. This has always bothered me about this current type of personal vaporizer concept. I think the current technology is very "dirty" because they went the cheapest route in many ways (cheap battery technology, cheap atomizer technology, cheap delivery system for the inhalation matrix serum). As a result, theres some pretty nasty possibilities going on inside these vaporizers with the current technologies being sold.
The mega battery, mega atty, and double sized cart will be near 7 inches long when compared to my 3 cart mod, mega battery and regular atty. The gold atty on my mega mod was in the center. It is entirely too long for public use IMO. But I'm sure it would last all day if you had 2 batteries. I think filler material worries everybody. If nobody dies from using blue foam or lipton tea bags or silver screens I'm sure maybe those could be used in production in the future. The blue foam really does work the best IMO, but I believe silver screens would do the trick for laser mods. The ideal public e-cig to me would be laser powered atty/battery with a thicker cigarette shaped vaporizer. Preferably with a see through cart and reservoir. Instead of longer, just make it thicker. Which I'm sure is in the works by someone. There are cigarette lighters that have been out for years that put off a heat without a real flame to light a cigarette. It works similar to the atty's used on the e-cig. This is still a fairly new concept. Most mods are too bulky and weird looking. There are already tons of mods out there. It is only a matter of time before we get a compact all day e-cig that doesn't look weird. Who is going to beat everyone to the punch, and who is willing to tell their secrets? Not too many people are disappointed with the 510. The factory filler on the other hand is an entirely different story. I am happy with my 510, but there is always room for improvement.
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