Not throat hit, but lung hit...is there a flavor/brand?

[KermieD]

I've read a bit here and am used to the standard replies and ruled many out by experimentation, not by exlusion, so please read all the way through the post before offering the standard solutions you give to any other newb.

Trying to quit analogs and this is a wonderful alternative to me about 90% of the time, but I do have an issue. From time to time, I run into the issue where the analog craving is really intense and the vape doesn't help as much as I think it should (or wish it would). The reason is that, in these times, the vape doesn't feel like it's filling my lungs with smoke as much as I need to satisfy the cravings for that sensation. It's fine in the morning or if I haven't vaped for 4 hours, but otherwise, I have problems.

Up front info that may be a factor:

• Despite my best intentions, I now vape more than I used to smoke because I can do it in the house, where previously I used to only go outside to smoke every couple hours or so. Hence, I think I'm building a "resistance" to the "lung hit"
• I used to smoke at least a pack a day of non-filter cigarettes
• I now vape occasionally in the office at work and again, in the house, thus potentially creating a "tolerance" for the lung hit.

Now, for the "don't waste my time with these standard replies" list

• I vape 24-26 mg fluid. As a result of my vaping habits now as opposed to those before, I'm getting plenty of nicotine. I can feel it and tell it. Don't tell me to go to 36 mg or 48 mg. Despite your assertions that vaping in general is a safe practice, nicotine is still the main reason analogs cause heart issues and obviously, vaping isn't going to help that part of it. Also, and trust me, I'm getting plenty of nic off the 24 mg stuff.
• I've found already that the non-tobacco flavors are clearly much clearer on the throat/lung hit than real tobacco flavors. The one flavor that comes close to putting that urge at bay is 24mg DK-TAB, which, from what I hear, is too "harsh" for most, but is just shy of what I'm personally looking for.
• I've heard of this "Flue Cured" flavor and am willing to give it a try, if someone can tell me where the best version of it is. Please ONLY reply if you've tried more than one version and PLEASE identify any supplier who does business in your own state or a neighboring state. Assume I don't care how cool a guy/gal it is and assume I don't care about customer service so long as I get my product.

I'm just looking for the juice that seems to most to be kind of harsh and makes most people cough, without the rampant homerism that goes on here and without giving myself nic poisoning.

I'm desperate here for something that's going to keep me off of analogs during those tough times and, when I personally run into the tough times, it's because vaping doesn't feel like it fills my lungs the way I crave at that moment. If you're going to reply by saying "try 'nHaler', they're the best", please don't. It's not about the supplier, it's about getting that lung shot. Tried the nHaler strawberry and RY4 and love both for sitting in front of the computer here, but neither of them do what I want it to when my body is screaming for an analog.

In the end, I'm looking for a 24mg flavor/supplier that is going to make me think while I'm inhaling it that I'm going to wake up in the morning next to a lung cookie, but won't really do so since I'm vaping.

So, after reading all of that, are there any objective thoughts out there?

 

[quasimod]

Since you won't budge on the nic levels, here's another option that may work for you:

Even if you aren't a menthol smoker, try a little menthol in your juice. Even an amount that is so small you can barely taste it will add to the feeling in your lungs. More menthol = more lung hit. I've read in these forums that some people who hated menthol analogs like menthol vape. (I was a menthol smoker, so of course I like it).

You may be able to get pure menthol crystals locally, to avoid the hassle/wait/cost of mail-order (they're dirt cheap, shipping costs as much as the crystals). Check the DIY section for advice and how-to.

 

[ShantaSena]

What style e-cig are you using?

I would suggest going High Voltage, such as the Chuck or Silver Bullet. Same nic levels, but at 6V will rock your throat/lungs IMO.

 

[quasimod]

Also, you might try a higher voltage device. Supposed to be much harsher, but it eats up atomizers. I've immediately popped my 501 and 801 atomizers each time I've tried, so never got a taste.

Imeo has a new design of atomizer that will withstand the higher voltages, no problem. He's in Greece, so don't expect them to arrive in a hurry. Check the GG sub-forum here.

 

[Travis798]

I guess maybe I'm not supposed to say this, but I had that exact same problem. Personally I just smoked a cigarette when I got that craving. I figured cutting down from 2+ packs a day to 5 a day was good, and I never intended on quitting smoking anyway. Before I knew it that craving was only coming in for 3 analogs a day, to 1, to smoking one without that craving "just because I still wanted to smoke".

It's now been a week since my last analog, and I still get that craving, but not as bad. My problem now is, analogs taste so bad I can't bring myself to smoke one to satisfy that craving. I'd be interested if you found something to satisfy it.

 

[quasimod]

I guess maybe I'm not supposed to say this...

Huh? Why not?

 

[Travis798]

Huh? Why not?

I don't know why I said that. I guess because I was saying "smoke a cigarette", although smoking a cigarette when you want one is the advice most people on here give.

To the OP: The time will come when you won't be able to smoke a cigarette, simply because you can't stand the taste. I tried a few days ago, and just tried again to take my own advice, since I had the urge, and now I don't have enough toothpaste and the smell in here is killing me

 

[umop apisdn]

I know you said you won't go on a higher nic level, but you were a pack a day smoker with nonfiltered analogs. It's actually recommended using 36 mg to replace that. I vape 24 now and I only smoked 7 cigs a day and I have yet to get that nicotine buzz I got from cigs. Consider going up to 36. It's not enough to poison you. Your tolerance to nicotine is definitely high enough so it's not a danger, as opposed to a social smoker that smoked a light cigarette every now and then.

Also, you have to consider the model of the e-cig you use. I use a 510 at 3.7V (default). I hear that mods for higher voltage (5V and 6V) produce a much higher "hit" than most ecigs, but I can't speak on experience. Do a little research here on the forums and you'll find out if it's for you or not. If you're using a DSE901, or most of the m series, consider using a 510, the vapor and throat hit (and lung hit too for that matter) is much stronger.

If worse comes to worse, your lungs just may be healing. I have to say though, with 24 mg juice and a 510, whenever I do smoke an analog, it doesn't feel as strong in my lungs as the vapor I get, and they taste a lot worse.

On a final note, I think the main culprit here is your reward pathways set up by the MAOI's in tobacco smoke (nicotine isn't the only addictive substance in cigarettes), as you say you smoked nonfiltered cigarettes, you're going to feel the most of that compared to filtered users, it's tough, but even using a PV to cut down drastically will do you well. If you can't quit cold turkey with a PV, don't force it; find a flavor you enjoy and eventually your taste buds, whiter teeth, and clearer lungs will be enough for you to actually prefer vaping over cigs within a few weeks.

Good luck, I'd love to give you advice on the flue cured, but I haven't tried it yet.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

yeah I am going to have to say a HVPV like at 6v and at the nic level you are using it will do the trick... so that juice that almost gets you there will definately get you there at 6v
and 510 atty drip will satisfy your needs IMHO and many others

 

[bigozone]

What style e-cig are you using?

I would suggest going High Voltage, such as the Chuck or Silver Bullet. Same nic levels, but at 6V will rock your throat/lungs IMO.

yeah I am going to have to say a HVPV like at 6v and at the nic level you are using it will do the trick... so that juice that almost gets you there will definately get you there at 6v
and 510 atty drip will satisfy your needs IMHO and many others

i have to agree with these 2 posts... if you won't go higher on the nic level your next best option is to go HIGH VOLTAGE...

i've vaped 36mg flue cured for over 2 months using both normal batts and a 5v pass thru, but it wasn't until i started using my 6v home built mod that i was able to quit analogs totally. it took the "lung hit" from 6v to curb my cravings.

i love the flue cured, but i've only used one very inexpensive chinese supplier so i'll respect the request in OP and not suggest any brand or supplier but i will say that i just bought a 500ml bottle of it

good luck,
bigO

 

[VapingRulz]

Is it possible that the way you're inhaling the vape could make a difference?

I never realized - until I started vaping - that when I smoked, I always drew the smoke into my mouth and then into my lungs. The first time I vaped, I made the mistake of drawing it directly into my lungs. I coughed for a long time and it was painful! I could definitely feel it in my lungs. For me, it was an unpleasant feeling. It sounds like it's what you actually want to do.

I know you said no nic-level advice, but I will also echo what another poster already said: you may need a higher nic level, at least for a few weeks until you get acclimated.

I'd try changing how you vape first, to see if that's the issue. Good luck!

 

[BlueBloodedCatFan]

Vapingrulz I was actually suggest the same thing. Drawing directly into the lungs instead of in you mouth first definitely gives me more of a lung hit and throat hit for that matter.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Is it possible that the way you're inhaling the vape could make a difference?

I never realized - until I started vaping - that when I smoked, I always drew the smoke into my mouth and then into my lungs. The first time I vaped, I made the mistake of drawing it directly into my lungs. I coughed for a long time and it was painful! I could definitely feel it in my lungs. For me, it was an unpleasant feeling. It sounds like it's what you actually want to do.

I know you said no nic-level advice, but I will also echo what another poster already said: you may need a higher nic level, at least for a few weeks until you get acclimated.

I'd try changing how you vape first, to see if that's the issue. Good luck!

Vapingrulz I was actually suggest the same thing. Drawing directly into the lungs instead of in you mouth first definitely gives me more of a lung hit and throat hit for that matter.

Excellent,, Judging by the OP he might not have tried that. Good Call

 

[Luv2CUSmile]

KermieD,
I just wanted to side track for a moment to say I appreciate your post. You have stated exactly what you are looking for and other than what device you currently use, everything that may help decide the factors of "hit".
I am following this to see what info gets contributed and just so you know, this post will definitely help others. Thank-You!

 

[quasimod]

[...] this post will definitely help others [...]

As long as it helps someone.

There's been some good advice in this thread. As mentioned above, learning different vaping techniques has helped me a lot, when I get frustrated. The direct inhale and the "hit it like a joint" method give massive hits to the throat and lungs. I wish I had known and/or thought about them sooner.

I'm surprised there hasn't been more recommendations for particular brands and/or flavors of juice that are harsher, though, since that was the OP's question.

Here's one: PG based juice is harsher than VG based juice, so try something with zero VG.

 

[martha1014]

After 40 years of smoking I find it hard to remember that vaping is different from smoking. When I vape it like a regular cigarette I don't get a good throat hit. When I think about the way I am vaping I get a good throat hit. Also the higher voltage ecig produce more vapor and more throat hits. If you wait a few minutes in between vaping you will also get a better throat hit. Do you remember how much better a cigarette was when it had been a while since you smoked. The same thing is true for vaping.