Noted ANTZ "expects" FDA will "embrace" THR in upcoming PV reg.s

[Roger_Lafayette]

I don't normally consider speculation about impending regulation to be newsworthy, unless it comes from someone who probably has inside information about the regulatory body.

The headline here is that Stanton Glantz believes that the FDA will "embrace" THR when it issues its regulations on PVs (currently scheduled for Oct 31, but has been pushed back repeatedly).

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Background (for those who are interested - broken links may be reassembled by cutting-and-pasting, your browser will ignore the extra line):

The US CDC's Int'l tobacco Control Evaluation Project study was released on Thurs (see press release here: www.itcproject
.org/node/90 ).

From www.tobacco
.ucsf.edu/new-itc-study-us-smokers-treasure-trove-data-shows-continuing-softening-smoking

During the 9 years covered by the survey there was a major drop in adult smoking prevalence in the US, from 22.5% in ... 2002 [original says "2022", typo corrected as per link in original] to 18.7% in 2011 (an average of 19.3% in 2010 and 18.1% in 2012). If we were running in to the hypothesized "hard core," one would expect that the remaining smokers would be smoking more, less interested in quitting, and less successful at quitting.

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In any event, this evidence [from the study] seriously undermines the whole logic of harm reduction that is being used to justify e-cigarettes (and which I expect the FDA, when it issues its e-cigarette deeming rule, to embrace). If the FDA does this, they will undermine the steady progress that we have been making in ending the tobacco epidemic [boldface added].

What the evidence shows is that there is continuing softening of the remaining smokers, as they continue to smoke less, try to quit more, and succeed at the same rate. That reality, not outdated ideas of the "hard core" is what should be driving public health policy making [boldface in original].

Two observations:

1) Glantz is arguing that current tobacco cessation policies are working even though the absolute percentage of smokers declined by only 4% in a decade. Uh ... see: Glantz et al. lie and the NYTimes is gullible enough to believe it | Anti-THR Lies and related topics (just one of a number of related posts by C.V. Phillips on the 20% "barrier").

2) Glantz apparently expects the FDA to "embrace ... harm reduction" when it regulates vaping.

(And that's what I think may be newsworthy ... first time that I've seen any ANTZ who has potential "insider info." say such a thing.)

 

[wv2win]

Or he may just be trying to mobilize his base of rabid ANTZ's so they will storm the FDA with even more BS on the need to stamp-out vaping before it puts them all out of a job.

 

[2coils]

I also think, Glantz has to take the opinion that the FDA will embrace. With this stated opinion, he will never be wrong. If the FDA doesn't embrace THR, his work is still justified and vindicated. If they do embrace THR, He was right in his prediction (makes him look smart), and he gathers the troops for another round of B.S!

If he were to say the FDA will not embrace THR, And they do..... He looks like a fool!

 

[Roger_Lafayette]

I'm not in the business of questioning people's motives (until proven otherwise), nor do I regard myself as capable of seeing inside their heads.

However I do suspect that he has contacts inside the FDA.

 

[tommy2bad]

Sorry to say but Stan's version of THR is allowing any ecig to be available at all. To him having ecigs regulated as tobacco products with the same taxe,s restrictions and health warnings is THR.
From that point of view, he is right.
I would not consider this approach to be THR as it makes no effort to encourage smokers to switch but the antz see letting smokers chose a safer product as a step backwards. They need smoking to be as lethal as possible to justifies their total abstinence policys.
What's really puzzling is their insistence that 1 smoker who quits is a victory, 100 smokers who switch is a defeat and 10000 smokers who don't quit are just in the process of 'softening'. ????

 

[Uma]

Sorry to say but Stan's version of THR is allowing any ecig to be available at all. To him having ecigs regulated as tobacco products with the same taxe,s restrictions and health warnings is THR.
?

quite true. BUT, rumor has it, Njoy is petitioning to become a big Pharma product. (NZ & Australia to date).
Slantzz is a huge rep for big Pharma products...

 

[Roger_Lafayette]

quite true. BUT, rumor has it, Njoy is petitioning to become a big Pharma product. (NZ & Australia to date).
Slantzz is a huge rep for big Pharma products...

BAT & Nicoline have applied to the UK NHS already - the story I saw a week ago said that action would be taken by the end of this year.

The trouble is that the process will take a lot longer here, and so far no applications have been made. Besides, this is America. We don't care what any other country does, because we're "exceptional," right?

I also have to wonder what would happen if PV devices actually were approved as cessation therapy. Would TPTB decide to ban OTC sales? Would we be forced to vape unflavored (similar to inhalers, I believe)? Would any form of refillable device be banned or highly restricted (as they do in the Scandanavian countries)?

The whole point of "therapy" is that we're supposed to be taking medicine.

Can you imagine what it would be like if they did the same thing with food?

 

[Uma]

BAT & Nicoline have applied to the UK NHS already - the story I saw a week ago said that action would be taken by the end of this year.

The trouble is that the process will take a lot longer here, and so far no applications have been made. Besides, this is America. We don't care what any other country does, because we're "exceptional," right?

I also have to wonder what would happen if PV devices actually were approved as cessation therapy. Would TPTB decide to ban OTC sales? Would we be forced to vape unflavored (similar to inhalers, I believe)? Would any form of refillable device be banned or highly restricted (as they do in the Scandanavian countries)?

The whole point of "therapy" is that we're supposed to be taking medicine.

Can you imagine what it would be like if they did the same thing with food?

They kinda sorta are doing that, through the back door. For instance, the WIC programs forbid the purchasing of white potatos, white rice, white bread, ... School lunches must be in line with whatever the usda deems nutritional at that particular quarter. (A few years ago it was all starch & Monsanto ). They "control" the nourishment in a sneaky underhanded way.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Glantz can say that the FDA will "embrace" THR, and gain the high ground via triangulation. He can still satisfy the ANTZ with excessive regulations down the road a bit.

It is becoming more difficult to make a reasoned anti THR stance, given the momentum of the more recent studies on e-cigarettes and vapor.

 

[VapieDan]

Glantz can say that the FDA will "embrace" THR, and gain the high ground via triangulation. He can still satisfy the ANTZ with excessive regulations down the road a bit.

It is becoming more difficult to make a reasoned anti THR stance, given the momentum of the more recent studies on e-cigarettes and vapor.

All the more reason to push things through quickly. No matter what the new evidence it is extremely difficult to repeal a law. The legislators also hate doing it because it makes them look as if they have made a mistake.

 

[EddardinWinter]

All the more reason to push things through quickly. No matter what the new evidence it is extremely difficult to repeal a law. The legislators also hate doing it because it makes them look as if they have made a mistake.

Well, if that was the strategic goal, they have done a terrible job. They have been talking about the deeming regulations since I started vaping in June 2012.

 

[Jay-dub]

Well, I read the op and ignored everything else. That's the most a stupids like me can do here. My evaluations are meaningless.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Well, I read the op and ignored everything else. That's the most a stupids like me can do here. My evaluations are meaningless.

I still don't think you qualify as an ANTZ, Jay-dub.

 

[DrMA]

Perhaps the Slantz envisions THR as single dose disposable cigalikes disbursed thru the same kind of facilities as methadone clinics.