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Not sure what you mean, can you elaborate? Might want to post in the Vape Pod Systems forum that has the most expertise.
Novo is made by Smok and known to have auto fire issues. Juul is expensive and easy to vape way more than intended. Their pods are .9ml with 50mg the equivalent to one pack of cigarettes for each pod vaped. Personally I would go with the Renova Zero mentioned in the post I quoted. It has soft, medium and hard settings. Works well with salt nic and you are able to choose your NIC level 65mg or less. I used the zero starting at 50mg then went to 36mg then to 24mg then 18mg until I went back to subohm at 6mg and working on stepping my way down to 3mg. This was 100% effective for me in quitting smoking. It has also seemed to work for many who have started vaping using this method as well.
Wow. You pick either an exceptionally poorly made product, or an exceptionally evil one. That’s an unfortunate decision to have to make. I would say the juul is marginally less bad than the smok, but not by much, and only because the novo is nearly non functional.
Welcome.
Novo is made by Smok. Smok makes nice vape hardware; innovative, fun, stylish products. Their reliability is quite bad, but as they outsell all the other brands, it's hard to say just how bad. If you run a search on problems, you will get more hits than makes sense for even a brand which sells a lot. So - be prepared to buy another, then another.
It is however refillable, which you certainly want.
If you want a Pod, the JustFog minifit is far, far better. Better reliability, probably
Juul? Now Juul is the lowest of the low
(in my opinion) unless you can achieve a few basics.1. You need to be able/prepared to 'hack' the pods to refill.
2. You need to be able to purchase Nic Salt liquids at higher strength. Possible in America, impossible in Europe.
Purchasing a Juul if you don't intend to refill and use it long-term is the mother of all disasters. Juul aren't in this business to save smokers, just to make money. They have persuaded reviewers and the general non-expert community they sell something that is way, way above everything else on the market. They did it because as it is, out of the box, it is a great product. But you can vape 50mg liquid for 10% of the cost with almost no effort whatsoever. If Juul gets you off the smokes, it's a fine choice. Staying on it long-term is a waste of money and you can vape better, more effectively and have hundreds, maybe thousands of dollars in the bank a year for NOT using Juul.
You can hack Juul pods. If you do, choose Juul, why not? If you don't want to or can't - run away... as fast as you can. Ignore the hype... it's just an e-cig and certainly does not deserve it's own fan-boy-club of losers and patsies.
Please don't feed the Juul monster. Let them fail (eventually) when people realize what a darn rip-off the whole thing is.
Did you know Apple iPhones are finally set to lose market share? - That's because finally, after over a decade, a few people have come to realize their mistake. For some iPhone lovers, it's probably too late to switch as their brains are re-wired. This is what Juul wants... they don't deserve it. Apple did deserve it.
Novo or Juul?
My recommendation = JustFog minifit.
Well, either of those sort of locks you into something you don't necessarily want.
With the Smok it's a potential explosion. With the Juul, it's being locked into rather expensive pods that people tend to LOVE, so they keep paying the price and like, are sort of similar to hamsters hitting a button for more "product."
So it's fire, or a fire in one's wallet.
I agree about trotting over to the pod mod section and checking out some other options, including refillable pods.
I know nothing about pods but for what it's worth as a mouth to lung vaper, I would recommend the Innoken Kroma kit with the Zenith tank on top. It's the MTL vape for 2018 in my opinion. Absolutely stellar .You may have to learn more and buy liquid and coils separately, but once you get the hang of it, you will be saving money (IMHO). And it's really not harder than pods.
Welcome and good luck whatever you decide to do.
Anna
With the Smok it's a potential explosion. With the Juul, it's being locked into rather expensive pods that people tend to LOVE, so they keep paying the price and like, are sort of similar to hamsters hitting a button for more "product."
So it's fire, or a fire in one's wallet.
I agree about trotting over to the pod mod section and checking out some other options, including refillable pods.
I know nothing about pods but for what it's worth as a mouth to lung vaper, I would recommend the Innoken Kroma kit with the Zenith tank on top. It's the MTL vape for 2018 in my opinion. Absolutely stellar .You may have to learn more and buy liquid and coils separately, but once you get the hang of it, you will be saving money (IMHO). And it's really not harder than pods.
Welcome and good luck whatever you decide to do.
Anna
What's iPhone got to do with this?
And actually their market share aint going anywhere. It's just that millions of 5's through 8's still work. Their number one competitor seems to build theirs in the Smok factory as they brick about the time the next big thing is introduced.
Now regarding Juul, they have hit on a successful recipe and now have a huge market (outside of teenagers). The vast majority of folks trying the vape outside of ECF fail to make it past 90 days. Yet often times folks that began with the Juul end up trying alternative forms of vapes like Sourin Airs or those jusfog devices.
I know lots of vapers who started out with Juul or Blu. Most still use pods or small pens.
And actually their market share aint going anywhere. It's just that millions of 5's through 8's still work. Their number one competitor seems to build theirs in the Smok factory as they brick about the time the next big thing is introduced.
Now regarding Juul, they have hit on a successful recipe and now have a huge market (outside of teenagers). The vast majority of folks trying the vape outside of ECF fail to make it past 90 days. Yet often times folks that began with the Juul end up trying alternative forms of vapes like Sourin Airs or those jusfog devices.
I know lots of vapers who started out with Juul or Blu. Most still use pods or small pens.
Yeah, I don't really get the hate for Juul that many have. I get the impression many think it's like they just threw together some hardware, mixed a juice, and they were incredibly lucky that it was a huge hit. I'm going to experiment with nic salts, and started researching last week. I kept coming on Pax Labs info, research, and their multiple patent applications. There is some real science behind those things. They tested every conceivable acid to combine with nic. They tested it at multiple temperatures, to determine the proper delta between the acid melting point and vaping temp. They tested "recovery" (how much nic survived the vape process) at those temps and pressures. They even tested each acid and optimized the pressure at which it's inhaled. They tested heart rate, nicotine absorption rates with blood tests, and did scientific studies of satisfaction compared to cigarettes. This was no accidental "eureka."
And actually, I think the comparison to Apple is on-point. Apple didn't create open systems - like Jobs said, customers "don't know what they want until we give it to them." Their systems were closed to maintain control over them, and ensure they always performed well. Though I never bought their products, there were times (esp. about 10 yrs. ago) I wished my laptop or phone was as bulletproof as Apple's.
If Juul gave what people want, a refillable system, guess what? We'd fill it with freebase, substandard juice that it isn't tuned for, and say Juul sucks. So they don't have an "escape route" ....yet. They, like all vape companies, are in business to make money. How many of them are non-profits, donating all to charitable causes? As their market share increases, they'll feel the pressure, and eventually begin to offer lower nic options. Especially as copycats begin to take some of their market share. But if they'd done that from the beginning, people would have tried them and not been as wowed by the hit & satisfaction level.
Not a fanboy here, but as a capitalist, the more I've learned, the more I do admire about their success. Even if they addict a generation, it's better than a generation addicted to combustibles. Full disclosure - I can't really vape any quantity of pg, so it's not for me. But man, if I'd tried those when I first quit smoking and started vaping, it would've been easier with the nic spike that is virtually identical to a smoke.
And actually, I think the comparison to Apple is on-point. Apple didn't create open systems - like Jobs said, customers "don't know what they want until we give it to them." Their systems were closed to maintain control over them, and ensure they always performed well. Though I never bought their products, there were times (esp. about 10 yrs. ago) I wished my laptop or phone was as bulletproof as Apple's.
If Juul gave what people want, a refillable system, guess what? We'd fill it with freebase, substandard juice that it isn't tuned for, and say Juul sucks. So they don't have an "escape route" ....yet. They, like all vape companies, are in business to make money. How many of them are non-profits, donating all to charitable causes? As their market share increases, they'll feel the pressure, and eventually begin to offer lower nic options. Especially as copycats begin to take some of their market share. But if they'd done that from the beginning, people would have tried them and not been as wowed by the hit & satisfaction level.
Not a fanboy here, but as a capitalist, the more I've learned, the more I do admire about their success. Even if they addict a generation, it's better than a generation addicted to combustibles. Full disclosure - I can't really vape any quantity of pg, so it's not for me. But man, if I'd tried those when I first quit smoking and started vaping, it would've been easier with the nic spike that is virtually identical to a smoke.
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