NY Judge rules vaping is not smoking

[NoFumus]

I'm surprised and impressed. Esp. for Minnesota ;- ) I'd like to know more - public school or private and if public, is there more emphasis on Rousseau and Hobbes than Locke and Montesquieu...

My daughter's in public school, but it's also a national online school. Still, they would need to at least meet the MN standards, which have been made quite specific at the state level. That said, she's in the honors sequence, so her course may be slightly different. I asked her your question, but she just tugged at her hair, mumbled something about mitosis and told me to go away (biology test tomorrow). My son took the AP course, and he thought they might have spent the most time on Locke, but said he'd already been familiar with most of it, so it was hard to recall.

 

[zoiDman]

At least , and at last, some common sense prevailing.

OTOH it's sad that it needs a court to 'rule' the obvious.

'Eyes wide shut' - to quote a movie title - on our elected and unelected officials.
Funny that. Exhibiting that same kind of denial of the obvious while in a clinic gets you an extra helping of psychoactive pills...

Aren't there any laws and procedures in place for removing officials who obviously lost their marbles ?

Hey I wasn't there. And Didn't see what Happened.

But I do know that if a Police Report has Multiple Occurrences of someone saying F-You and Get the F out of My Face to a LEO, that chances are Many Times better than Not that some DA/ADA is going to run you "Thru the Loop".

LOL

 

[sofarsogood]

I think so, but a NYer would probably be more aware.

"Indeed, on June 18, 2015, ten days after the occurrence alleged in this case, the New York State Assembly approved Bill A05955, a bill to amend PHL § 1399-o to “[m]ake[] the restrictions relating to smoking in public areas applicable to electronic cigarettes.” That bill died in the state Senate, however, and was returned to the Assembly on January 6, 2016."

Or they could just chill out, kick back, and wait to see if there are problems.

 

[Kent C]

My daughter's in public school, but it's also a national online school. Still, they would need to at least meet the MN standards, which have been made quite specific at the state level. That said, she's in the honors sequence, so her course may be slightly different. I asked her your question, but she just tugged at her hair, mumbled something about mitosis and told me to go away (biology test tomorrow). My son took the AP course, and he thought they might have spent the most time on Locke, but said he'd already been familiar with most of it, so it was hard to recall.

National online school may be a bit different but yeah, still would have to meet standards but likely goes beyond that. Thanks for asking Sounds like they are in good hands.... I had a very good baby sitter - educated aunt - early on. Generated the initial interest in US history.

 

[Rossum]

Hey I wasn't there. And Didn't see what Happened.

But I do know that if a Police Report has Multiple Occurrences of someone saying F-You and Get the F out of My Face to a LEO, that chances are Many Times better than Not that some DA/ADA is going to run you "Thru the Loop".

LOL

If you do some digging on the defendant in this case, one Shawn Thomas, I think you'll find he's made a fairly serious hobby of baiting the "authorities" in/around NYC.

 

[zoiDman]

If you do some digging on the defendant in this case, one Shawn Thomas, I think you'll find he's made a fairly serious hobby of baiting the "authorities" in/around NYC.

Yeah... I seems to recall that Name from somewhere.

And Many Statues of Themis do not include a Blindfold.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Shawn Thomas Detained For Alleged Vaping Crime In NYC | The Vaping Militia

 

[zoiDman]

Shawn Thomas Detained For Alleged Vaping Crime In NYC | The Vaping Militia

I think Mazinny posted the same Link in Post #6.

 

[skoony]

I'm surprised and impressed. Esp. for Minnesota ;- ) I'd like to know more - public school or private and if public, is there more emphasis on Rousseau and Hobbes than Locke and Montesquieu...

From Ohio the 'DofI, Constitution, B of Rights' part of the appendix was from my niece's and nephew's sophomore text in a public school. As was the 'plight' phrasing. I'm sure there are regional differences. Thanks for posting - it gives me some hope. lol. I'd like to see all HS curricula like the US History courses of Hillsdale College in Michigan.

Minnesota is one of those states where the farther you get away from the cities
with tall buildings the better and more conservative the people are.
In the late 60's through the 80's we suffered from the great migration of East
Coast democrats fleeing the overcrowded political wards due to the lack of
any realistic chance of advancing through the ranks to obtain a position
of prominence and good pay. The state representatives representing the
metro area are predominately from out of state or out of the country.
Regards
Mike
The farther rural you go the complete opposite is true.
We actually get some quality of living for the high taxes.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I think Mazinny posted the same Link in Post #6.

Found it in my links and dropped it. Forgot I had it. Honestly didn't think it would go far. Tied up in the courts or the guy would plead it out. Obviously, the defendant was very motivated (and pulled a stand up guy for a judge). Who would'a thought. Good on us.

Good luck.

p.s. I'm runnin'. It's batch day.

 

[zoiDman]

Found it in my links and dropped it. Forgot I had it. Honestly didn't think it would go far. Tied up in the courts or the guy would plead it out. Obviously, the defendant was very motivated (and pulled a stand up guy for a judge). Who would'a thought. Good on us.

Good luck.

Correct me if I'm Wrong.

But Didn't Mr. Thomas vape where he Did in the Hopes of being Cited?

 

[MacTechVpr]

I wouldn't know, I'm not a serial antagonist. Good luck. Gotta batch, gotta batch.

Addendum: Chris Rock: How To Not Get Your Azz Kicked By The Police

n.b. Not politically correct!!!

 

[Bill Godshall]

Thomas was only found not guilty because the police incorrectly charged him with violating the state smoking ban law instead of charging him with violating the New York City vaping ban law.

 

[zoiDman]

Thomas was only found not guilty because the police incorrectly charged him with violating the state smoking ban law instead of charging him with violating the New York City vaping ban law.

I'm Not all that Versed in NYC Codes/Laws.

But if there was a NYC Code in affect on or before June 8, 2015 that Prohibited e-Cigarette Use where Mr. Thomas was vaping, I don't believe that there is Anything that would Legally Prevent the DA's Office from filling New Charges against Mr. Thomas if they decided to do so.

 

[Bill Godshall]

I think the DA's office in NYC has at least ten thousand cases (where somebody was actually harmed or robbed) that are all far greater priorities than retroactively charging Thomas for violating NYC's vaping ban many months after the incident occurred.

 

[zoiDman]

I think the DA's office in NYC has at least ten thousand cases (where somebody was actually harmed or robbed) that are all far greater priorities than retroactively charging Thomas for violating NYC's vaping ban many months after the incident occurred.

Oh I'm sure that the NYC DA's Office is Jammed Packed with Current and Pending Cases. Just making the Observation of what the DA's Office can do.

And for a Run-of-the-Mill vaper, I'd say the Chances of future Charges being filed are Very Remote.

For someone like Mr. Thomas?

 

[Endor]

I asked her your question, but she just tugged at her hair, mumbled something about mitosis and told me to go away (biology test tomorrow).

The father of a high school sophomore girl as well, that sentence alone gave me a chuckle. I've seen the hair tugging and been told to go away quite a bit as of late.

I'll need to thumb through her US History book. Since I'm in California, I'm most certain its mostly about "plights".

 

[Mazinny]

Yeah... I seems to recall that Name from somewhere.

And Many Statues of Themis do not include a Blindfold.

You might also remember him from this lawsuit ( pretty sure it's the same Shawn Thomas ) :

 

[zoiDman]

You might also remember him from this lawsuit ( pretty sure it's the same Shawn Thomas ) :

Yep... That is where I had seen the Name before.