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TnA

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I've been vaping since 11/08...but I still smoke analogs (more than I really like but 2 packs less than I used to, so I can live with it). To me, yes, vaping is a lot of work. Making sure everything is set to go before I leave for work, refilling/topping off during the day, batteries, juice, etc....a lot more for me to deal with when before, all I had to do was grab a couple of packs of cigs and a lighter and I was set for the day....and if I ran out, I could stop at several places to restock. Obviously not so easy with the ecig.

BUT....for me....going from 2.5 to 3 packs to less than a pack a day has made a difference in my life that I can't even describe. And yes, there have been times when it was so inconvenient, that I almost chucked the whole lot...but I kept at it. For me, even if I can vape most of the time (even if not all, but most)....I will continue to do so.

But just as anything else, vaping certainly isn't for everyone. First of all, it is not necessarily cheaper, depending on your own purchasing habits. And...like my son who smokes about a half pack of analogs a day....watched me and thought it was just too much trouble for the amount he smoked. I sometimes think the more you smoked before vaping, the more willing you are to keep at it only because really, who wants to go back to smoking 2-3 packs of cigs a day again? Anything seems better than that.

+1 I still smoke 2-4 cigarettes a day....but it's far better than the pack I was smoking. I also tell my customers this and tell them they shouldn't beat themselves up if they still feel a desire to smoke a cigarette. I never went into this to quit smoking.....I like my cigarettes, I just didn't like all the nasty side/secondary effects of it. This is an amazing product that is a wonderful ALTERNATIVE...but I sitll enjoy a burning lung stick every now and then. :D No-one should feel ostracized or less of a person for smoking....we've all been there and didn't like being made to feel that way. That's my .02 (plus change ;))
 
Yeh (shakes head)

But I never give up hope! :)

Lu


I am in the same boat, I went over 80 hours without and just snapped an bought a pack.
Granted that pack lasted me nearly a week...

I am finding my hump points and got a set up finally that is barreling through the cravings. NOW if my snus ever gets here I am golden.
 

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I also still have a few analogs a day- I don't feel good about it but I am definitely betetr off than I was- I don't know of the thread the OP is speaking of but I am very familiar with many posters who think that if you are not putting forth full effort into e-cigs (i.e. buying other units, variety of liquid, DIY, mods, etc) "you just haven't found what's right for you" and that is why you still smoke, don't like e-cigs, can't feel a hit, etc...
I didn't intend on buying any other units when I first bought for my husband and myself but we have seen differences in our units... he prefers mine... I prefer mine- But I have been intrigued by the mods... I am not sure why because I am satisfied w/ my unit... I don't intend to get a mod but may for "novelty" sake- Is that wrong? The dollar amount we have spent is still below our cigarette habit... However, if it exceeds that, it will be fine for me- I am decreasing the carcinogens I put into my body and that was my goal from the beginning and if I can quit altogether then that's great! If I didn't care for my unit when we got it, I may have not tried anything else... just chalked it to this is another alternative I don't care for- Same as chewing, pipes, or snuff... I have never cared for using any of those methods... I feel this is the same w/ many other benefits rather than harms...
Some say chewing has benefits over smoking analogs...
I am going to find the post in reference here but feel if someone is decided this isn't forthem.. so be it-
 
HIFISTUD: Please try to keep in mind, in your observations of this forum, that as vapors, who have stopped tobacco smoking habits,we are all going through changes, some minor, and for others, quitting smoking is a major change. Some have even walked away from nicotine all together. Nicotine has been said to be as addicting, if not more than heroine.

Many of us have chosen e-cigs from different levels of health reasons. And for them, pv's are a life-saving device, as in last saving effort to quit smoking or die. Myself, I have MS and I'm in a wheelchair, my husband has Lupus. I have had a collapsed lung, pneumonia and such from smoking tobacco. So, I turned to electronic cigarettes and have begun to heal. Physically, mentally, and spiritually, in that I can do things now without a cigarette and I can take or leave e-cigs.

So has the "e-cig" became my savior?, no. Jesus Christ alone is my Savior, e-cigs was the means of saving me from destroying/killing my body, when I could not seem to turn away from or stop doing by myself. Since 31 years ago, I made smoking cigarettes my "friend", so to speak, they have proven to be my worst enemy and a fierce addiction to break. Who's going to win this fight, when it comes to nicotine addiction? In 3 short months, I am down to 2mg nicotine, from 36mg, and I will soon be nicotine free.

Just like all addictions, people go through changes and release things to help them be free and move forward.

And so for some, this forum is a place to say things, to voice yourself, and release to others who understand, Whereas, others in life might not or cannot relate, vapors can always come here for support, encouragements, and understanding. Sometimes just a listening ear, or for a place to lay your thoughts down.

There are members who are new, and can feel free to come here and voice their frustrations about vaping, smoking, devices, batteries, and such, and those of us who have overcome this mountain, understand and still remember the irritabilities, and frustrations of quitting, and know that if you stick with it, "this too shall pass"

And because so many have been successful, and starting to feel better, physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually, many try to spread the word about pv's and vaping, because we genuinely care about the welfare and the lives of other people. No one is pushing anything, and if we didn't care we wouldn't come here. We are not here to worship, or preach, and we don't exclude anyone from coming here because they do not vape, etc, etc, THAT would be a cult.

Like anyone else, whether you use electronics cigarettes, and they have helped you, whether you smoke or you don't, even if you totally hate e-cigs, you are free to become a member. A cult would not allow this, if you must look at like that.

While I can understand your concerns, I can assure you, you have nothing to fear here, the worst thing we would ever try to do, is some members may try to catch you, if you should fall, or make you laugh if you are down or having a difficult day. :)

No matter where you go in this life, there's always going to be someone who is more this way, or that way, in many different areas than yourself or than others, but that's ok , because sometimes all a person needs is a little love & understanding from others,

The person in the post you mention may have only been trying to help, you don't know, sometimes you gotta add a little salt to season words, but their good intentions are still there. They may have even came across the wrong way, and probably could have worded it different but that in no means makes them a "cult member", or anything, but a concerned, and caring person.

And it certainly doesn't color my view of ECF as being anything other than a group of people who have chosen to use e-cig's over cancer sticks.

And like you QUOTE:"I use e-cigs because I prefer them to cigarettes" So does 99% of ECF members here, so none of us who using electronic cigarettes, not the staff at ECF, nor any of it's members, including you, are a cult

(Dictionary defines cult as: {{a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies, a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader. the object of such devotion.
a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc. the members of such a religion or sect.
any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.}}

Best regards,
MickiO
 

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I've read the full thread before answering this post.

The way I read it, the guy had tried it, couldn't get away with it, and wanted to flog some kit - but folks were straight in there offering help to "get him through" it, like this was AA or something.

The "help" he needed was to get his adverts placed - I didn't read a cry for help to get him through a tough patch quitting or whatever.

Zambucalu, thanks for your post - I'm not sure about the one straight after enquiring whether you're still "using".

I think I've identified what's making me feel uneasy - and that is, it does, at times, feel like I'm at an AA meeting, and perhaps it might be worth making another part of the forum for "support issues" - the "self help support group" or something similar, for those who feel they need (or want to give) help through tough times "quitting" or "falling off the wagon".

Just a thought.



I'm one of those folks, I ASKED a few questions and offered a bit of help on the off chance that I could be of some service.

Nothing holier than thou about it, a simple offer of help to somebody.

Edit: I'd also like to add that I didn't see anybody saying "you must be doing something wrong" People were offering a bit of support, that's all.


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I am a little concerned, frankly.

As far as I'm aware, PVs, e-cigs, personal portable nebulisers, call 'em what you will, are an alternative to cigarettes, can be used alongside them, instead of them, or as well as them. As in it's all down to personal preference.

However, what I'm seeing more and more in here is folks crusading, adopting holier than thou attitudes in terms of the "correct" usage of e-cigs, and how they are the saviour of all and so forth, and I'm becoming a little uneasy about it all.

There's a bloke posted that he want to sell his gear, because he can't get away with it. That's cool, but a few folk have chimed in with posts along the lines of "you can't have been doing it right" or "you should have said earlier, we could have helped". I find it faintly disquieting - they guy's tried it, didn't like it, end of, as far as I'm concerned. Anything more smacks of evangelising and seems just a tad , erm, cult-ish.

Chalk it up to British conservatism (small "c"), but, like I say, it worries me a little. I use e-cigs because I prefer them to cigarettes - but as far as I'm concerned, they're just a different brand that happen to have none of the drawbacks of the tobacco ones. I can't buy into the cult of the e-cig, and, in truth, I think over-the-top evangelism will do more harm than good...

This, by the way, is a mind-dump - there's something happening here that makes me feel uneasy, and I've yet to put my finger properly on it.


It can be pretty funny e smokers calling themselves non smokers and being adament about their way being the right way or their vendor being the best vendor. For me I kinda loved ecigs and gave up analogs right away. For me there are reasons for that, mainly I am a serious nic addict and my wife has asthma, even the smell of cig can and will trigger an attack. I have tryed to quit, I tryed the gum, I tryed the patch, I tryed chantex, zyban, for me nothing worked then I discovered the ecig albeit not without hassle this is the ticket for me. I get the nic I am addicted to without the smell, without endangering my wife's health(ecigs don't bother her in the least) no butts, no ashes. A note to e smokers while we aren't smoking we are addicted to the same substance that smokers are really are not better than they are IMO
 

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I guess I'm a bit oblivious at least at this minute as to what thread this thread is suposed to be about but I get a sort of a general gist and am reading anyway


This whole post in its entirely (that I'm only quoting just a section of below) was, I think, one of the best and well said things I've seen said on this entire forum:
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But, one thing is certain here. There is a HUGE learning curve when one takes to PVs in lieu of analogs. HUGE. It's not just which device one likes, it's which liquid works best, tastes best, hits best, etc., etc., etc. Then, when we decide which, say, atomizer we like the most we find there are different manufacturers of similar atomizers and they all react differently. Couple different types of cartridges in, DIY cart fillers, DIY liquids and what we end up with is a plethora of combinations which could confuse Einstein.

Maybe more truth in the part I've bolded than you may realize:
Albert Einstein is said to have had just six identical suits in his closet (plus the one on his back) at any given time, as to not complicate things or further confuse himself. Clearly he didn't like to be bothered by having to waste time on lots of different choices (at least with some things).

As to the whole cult worship or whatever thing, heh,
I may be guilty of having an inadvertent 'E cigarette alter' right where I have all my E cigarette and smoking alternative stuff piled (in an at least semi sorted fashion) together.. well what are you supposed to do with this pile of amassed stuff, just where and how are you supposed to store it so you can get at it, see it, tell whats what?

(at least I don't worship at it, but I am guilty of 'partaking from its bounty' enough times in a day and well.. I am grateful for it, glad to have it and that I've learned about e-cigs etc)

I actually only know one person who smokes (two if you count the donut shop manager who was more concerned others were gonna start smoking analogs in her establishment if they saw me in there with an e-Cig) and I haven't been able to 'convert' my friend. I'd like to because he means a hellofalot to me. I want to save his health so he's around a lot longer (he's old and coughs alot and I already worry about him quite a bit)
 
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I think I've identified what's making me feel uneasy - and that is, it does, at times, feel like I'm at an AA meeting, and perhaps it might be worth making another part of the forum for "support issues" - the "self help support group" or something similar, for those who feel they need (or want to give) help through tough times "quitting" or "falling off the wagon".

Just a thought.

That could sound like a good idea there Hifi. Might be something to suggest now that we're working with the new server.

Or another idea...start a social group of this nature. I'd join! You need 5 members for the group to show up in the forum listing....and you can freely advertise it here, and/or put a link to it in your sigline so others can see it:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-discussion/24282-come-join-our-group.html

Something to think about anyway.

Lu
 

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Well hifistud, your opinion is your own, and I wouldn't take that away from you, as for me, I will continue to offer what little bit of help I can when I can...joining this forum helped me a great deal, helped me make informed decisions, helped me get the best out of my kit and explained a few things to me that I may or may not have found out eventually - I'll continue to help others if I can do so without being made to feel like some "evangilist" by you.

And I do resent the implication that I tried to make anybody feel bad about themselves, I simply asked a few questions hoping to help the guy out...from where I am sitting, it is you who is trying to make folks feel bad/guilty.


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Well if the guy just wanted to quit ecigs then he wouldn't really be posting. If someone posts about a problem, however repeatedly, it means they are looking for some answers/help/etc. So... I think its good that people give so much advice/info/feedback on this forum. That's what its for. Otherwise why do you come here at all ? Just do or don't at home.
 

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I don't think it's cultish........I think that for people that are trying to quit cigarettes, this is the holy grail. I know it is for me.......and I"m really excited about it and I tell everyone that I know about it because I feel like I"ve found the greatest thing since sliced bread.

When talking to people I know, my enthusiasm might seem strange, but it's because I want to share this info with others that don't know about it with the hopes that it might help them as much as it's helping me.

I think this is where most people are coming from around here.

DITTO!!!! What she said..
 

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Well if the guy just wanted to quit ecigs then he wouldn't really be posting. If someone posts about a problem, however repeatedly, it means they are looking for some answers/help/etc. So... I think its good that people give so much advice/info/feedback on this forum. That's what its for. Otherwise why do you come here at all ? Just do or don't at home.

You've missed the point. He wanted to sell what kit he had. He wasn't crying for help to get through a hard patch = he simply had decided that vaping wasn't for him - and yet some folks took this as a lost soul needing guidance to bring him back into the fold. He didn't "want to quit ecigs" - he had tried them and didn't like them. End of. You can't quite something you don't use.addition

How hard is that to understand?
 
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Well hifistud, your opinion is your own, and I wouldn't take that away from you, as for me, I will continue to offer what little bit of help I can when I can...joining this forum helped me a great deal, helped me make informed decisions, helped me get the best out of my kit and explained a few things to me that I may or may not have found out eventually - I'll continue to help others if I can do so without being made to feel like some "evangilist" by you.

And that's cool - if someone asks you which tastes better, a 510 or a 401, or which juice tastes most like reconstituted camel droppings, get in there, go for it.

And I do resent the implication that I tried to make anybody feel bad about themselves, I simply asked a few questions hoping to help the guy out...from where I am sitting, it is you who is trying to make folks feel bad/guilty.
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Nope, not at all. If folks around here want a self-help AA type group, that's cool by me - but I think it needs a separate part of the forum that's explicit about what it is - and if somebody comes on and says all he's looking to do is flog kit he isn't using for the simple reason that he doesn't like it, fine - let him flog his kit - vaping isn't for everybody, and it's actually OK not to like it.
 
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