Ohio

[LaceyUnderall]

OHIOANS:

From Sherid on another thread:

The Buckeye Institute for Public Policy Solutions
Here is their stance of smoking bans, "Meanwhile, the conservative Buckeye Institute is suing the state, saying Ohio is too strictly enforcing the statewide smoking ban that voters approved in 2006."

EDIT: CONFUSED: Read this first!!! http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...isten/36764-organizations-ability-listen.html

 

[ladyraj]

Add this link as a resource also:

Home

This site is not only about the "ban" mentality but also the government intrusion into their businesses. There are some good links and info there.

 

[x0rsw1tch]

Most of the radio talk show hosts on WNIR FM are against the public smoking ban, especially in bars.

Just throwin it out there.

 

[Bill Godshall]

Alligning with right-to-smoke organizations (who oppose smokefree workplace laws) would be the stupidist strategy for e-cigarette vendors/users.

Most right-wing conservative and libertarian groups that have actively opposed smokefree workplace laws did so only after cigarette companies funded them to do so

Allinging with these folks (who believe that Big Government and public health advocates are conspiring to destroy capitalism/freedomAmerica) also would encourage more smokefree activists (who believe that Big tobacco and their funded front groups continue to conspire against public health) to actively oppose e-cigarettes.

 

[SMILIN]

Alligning with right-to-smoke organizations (who oppose smokefree workplace laws) would be the stupidist strategy for e-cigarette vendors/users.

Most right-wing conservative and libertarian groups that have actively opposed smokefree workplace laws did so only after cigarette companies funded them to do so

Allinging with these folks (who believe that Big Government and public health advocates are conspiring to destroy capitalism/freedomAmerica) also would encourage more smokefree activists (who believe that Big Tobacco and their funded front groups continue to conspire against public health) to actively oppose e-cigarettes.

Bill

I Love you, My friend

Steve

 

[crazydog]

It's hard to tell in most of the bars in my town that there was a smoking ban passed. Other than there are no more ashtrays on the tables there seems to be just as much smoke in most of the privately owned bars. Most folks just finish their first beer before they light up. Even the one with the gigantic smoking ban banner behind the bar or the bar/club that hires cops on the weekends. To me it seems all the smoking ban did was affect the places where smoking wasn't really an "acceptable" thing to do ie chain restaurant/bars and more family oriented places.

 

[sherid]

It's hard to tell in most of the bars in my town that there was a smoking ban passed. Other than there are no more ashtrays on the tables there seems to be just as much smoke in most of the privately owned bars. Most folks just finish their first beer before they light up. Even the one with the gigantic smoking ban banner behind the bar or the bar/club that hires cops on the weekends. To me it seems all the smoking ban did was affect the places where smoking wasn't really an "acceptable" thing to do ie chain restaurant/bars and more family oriented places.

It is the same in my area.

 

[foebea]

Not so out by me. The smoking ban seems to be fully embraced.

 

[ladyraj]

Same here in Cincy, it's why we seek entertainment across the river in Kentucky or down the road to Indiana.

 

[sherid]

If you live in a city with manpower, there seems to be overall compliance. If you live in a rural or small town area with few inspectors, the non-compliance is the rule in Ohio. Thankfully, in my area, there are plenty of places defying the ban. I applaud them all.

 

[Raven1]

Really? Canton? That's just down the road from here. Not so in any bar I've been to in Akron or Cleveland. Some have an outdoor patio or shelter where you can light up but NO ONE smokes inside the bars anymore.

 

[sherid]

Really? Canton? That's just down the road from here. Not so in any bar I've been to in Akron or Cleveland. Some have an outdoor patio or shelter where you can light up but NO ONE smokes inside the bars anymore.

I live outside of, not in Canton. I do know of some bars in Canton, but would never share them on a public forum. In my area, there are several bars who have never obeyed the smoking ban. A friend of ours owns one. In three years, they have been reported twice. Neither resulted in a fine.

 

[Drozd]

I'll have to look again..I once stumbled across a page that a bunch of the anti's were using to "report" on bars and restaurants and businesses that were violating the smoking ban here in Ohio...hate to say it but used to keep it marked as a "go-to" list...ok.. it was smokechoke.com ...
it was good information as a while back Toledo here had the highest per capita smoker rate in the nation 1999 and 2000..and the midwest area was higer than the rest of the country..I belive that the antis were using that census info to plot out where to focus their attentions first..

Edited for typo on that website corrected info is: http://ohio.smokechoke.com/

 

[sherid]

Really? Canton? That's just down the road from here. Not so in any bar I've been to in Akron or Cleveland. Some have an outdoor patio or shelter where you can light up but NO ONE smokes inside the bars anymore.

I'm curious as to why you would say NO ONE smokes inside of bars anymore. Clearly, they do. I just returned from one and smoked along with the owner and other customers. I have to say that vaping is great for me in every instance except when I am having drinks in a bar. Then, I want the real thing.

 

[Storyspinr]

Sherid, I thought I remembered the Ohio Dept. of Health had ruled e cigs did not violate the Ohio ban. Do you remember anything like that?

 

[sherid]

Sherid, I thought I remembered the Ohio Dept. of Health had ruled e cigs did not violate the Ohio ban. Do you remember anything like that?

Yes. I wrote an email and received an answer. They reluctantly said that "technically, the e-cig does not violate the smoking ban." I have the reply saved on my computer. In this case, though I was speaking of smoking tobacco cigarettes in the bars around me.

 

[Storyspinr]

I was just thinking the fact your Health Dept. okayed e cigs might prove useful in our battle with the Virginia Health Dept, so I wanted to make sure I remembered correctly.

We travel through Ohio on our way to Indiana once a year and always stop at Frisch's (Virginia is deprived of this important member of the food group). It's one of the few restaurants where I'll eat even if it's smokefree...but, then, they usually are pretty fast with their service so we don't have to stay long. I know the manager of the one in Columbus (Grove City) was unhappy with the ban when it was first passed, but there is no way they would allow ban violations...too many nonsmoking customers who would complain.

 

[sherid]

I was just thinking the fact your Health Dept. okayed e cigs might prove useful in our battle with the Virginia Health Dept, so I wanted to make sure I remembered correctly.

We travel through Ohio on our way to Indiana once a year and always stop at Frisch's (Virginia is deprived of this important member of the food group). It's one of the few restaurants where I'll eat even if it's smokefree...but, then, they usually are pretty fast with their service so we don't have to stay long. I know the manager of the one in Columbus (Grove City) was unhappy with the ban when it was first passed, but there is no way they would allow ban violations...too many nonsmoking customers who would complain.

Frisch's was my high school hangout...loved their chili and burgers. As for restaurants, I don't know of any that break the ban unless they are family-owned bar/restaurants. The places I know who defy the ban are primarily bars who serve limited food selections. They are also family-owned rather than chains.

 

[Storyspinr]

I love Frisch's hamburgers. However, once I learned McDonald's Big Mac was a copy of the Big Boy, we bought the Frisch's sauce, brought it home and indeed, can make a McDonald's taste quite a bit like a Big Boy (just plain 'burgers with the sauce and lettuce...works wonders for a McDonald's, lol).

I'm going to do an internet search for the Ohio Health Dept. wording, because I know I saw it somewhere. Our Health Dept. is determined to include e cigs in the smoking ban, but we'll probably approach the new AG for a ruling in January as he may be more inclined to side with us. Ohio could help; I think Washington state and Florida also ruled e cigs didn't violate their bans. I'm looking for any written support I can find from other states.

 

[sherid]

I love Frisch's hamburgers. However, once I learned McDonald's Big Mac was a copy of the Big Boy, we bought the Frisch's sauce, brought it home and indeed, can make a McDonald's taste quite a bit like a Big Boy (just plain 'burgers with the sauce and lettuce...works wonders for a McDonald's, lol).

I'm going to do an internet search for the Ohio Health Dept. wording, because I know I saw it somewhere. Our Health Dept. is determined to include e cigs in the smoking ban, but we'll probably approach the new AG for a ruling in January as he may be more inclined to side with us. Ohio could help; I think Washington state and Florida also ruled e cigs didn't violate their bans. I'm looking for any written support I can find from other states.

Here is my email exchange with the ODH concerning the use of e cigs and the smoking ban . Start from the bottom up for the correct order.
RE: electronic cigarettes
...
From:
Smoke Info <smkinfo@odh.ohio.gov>
.
To:

As mentioned earlier, technically, electronic cigarettes are allowed in public places because tobacco is not used in them.
________________________________
From:
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:02 AM
To: Smoke Info
Subject: RE: electronic cigarettes

I am not trying to be difficult, but I would like a definitive answer if you could. If the electronic cigarette does not violate the terms of the smoking ban (no tobacco, no ashtray, no fire, etc.) and no one is smoking real cigarettes during the investigation; then how could the place allowing customers to vapor electronic cigarettes and nothing else be held liable for breaking the smoking ban? I did not see anything in the law that covers the "appearance" of smoking. I did see a definition of "smoking" and the e cigarette does not fall under that definition. I also don't see how other patrons could complain that there was a violation. Under what part of the smoking ban would a customer be able to make such a complaint....no ashtray, signs posted, no tobacco, no lit substance. If you cannot answer these questions or do not wish to do so, who might I direct my questions? Thank you.

Sheri Dornhecker
THINK: It's not illegal yet.




--- On Tue, 2/10/09, Smoke Info <smkinfo@odh.ohio.gov> wrote:
From: Smoke Info <smkinfo@odh.ohio.gov>
Subject: RE: electronic cigarettes
To:
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 10:35 AM


That decision would be up to the enforcement office and legal
council.
________________________________
From:
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:38 AM
To: Smoke Info
Subject: RE: electronic cigarettes

One more question....if said e smoker provided a card and demonstration of the
product and the place in question posted an electronic smoking allowed notice
with that explanation, would that help to legally solve any confusion?

Sheri Dornhecker
THINK: It's not illegal yet.




--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Smoke Info <smkinfo@odh.ohio.gov> wrote:
From: Smoke Info <smkinfo@odh.ohio.gov>
Subject: RE: electronic cigarettes
To:
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:13 AM


Technically, electronic cigarettes are allowed in public places where smoking
is
banned. However, other patrons of establishments where smoking is banned may
not understand the
policy, and some confusion may result as to what the users
of
the electronic cigarettes may be using. In other words, other patrons may
think
tobacco is being used instead of electronic cigarettes.
________________________________

Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:42 AM
To: Smoke Info
Subject: electronic cigarettes

Could you please respond with your policy for electronic cigarettes in places
where smoking is banned. I am assuming that since they are not lit or produce
any burning substance, contain no
tobacco, and are vaporized rather than smoked;
that it is legal to use them in bars and restaurants if the owner allows it.
Obviously, e cigarettes also do not require ashtrays. Although they are not
produced by a pharmaceutical company, e cigarettes function much like nicotine
inhalers sold in drug stores for smoking cessation.

In case you
are unfamiliar with electronic cigarettes, here is an introduction.

An electronic cigarette (or e-cigarette, e-cig) is a cigarette
substitute<http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette_substitute>, giving
small amounts of the chemical
nicotine<http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine> without
tobacco<http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco> or other chemicals from
real cigarettes. The main substances making up in the liquid in the
e-cigarettes
are nicotine,
propylene
glycol<http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Propylene_glycol&action=edit&redlink=1>,
gylcerin<http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gylcerin&action=edit&redlink=1>
and some flavors<http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavor> or
smells<http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smell>.


Thank you.