Old school alternative to cigarettes

Status
Not open for further replies.

TropicalBob

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jan 13, 2008
5,623
65
Port Charlotte, FL USA
Nick, I had tongue firmly planted in cheek with that "no inhaling" comment. I'm sure some do, just as some chug fine wine and brandy. Some burp loudly after a meal of prime rib. Some put milk in their Earl Gray. Some use perfume strength fragrance as after shave. 8-o

Today's pipe tobaccos are designed to deliver nicotine and satisfy without being inhaled. Their PH is alkaline, very unlike the acidic cigarettes that are meant to be inhaled into the lungs. They are VERY strong tobaccos, in many cases, and even an accidental whiff to the lungs will result in a coughing fit. For many years, I inhaled 30 cigarettes a day; I cannot dream of inhaling even one lung full of pipe tobacco smoke.

Imagine the cartoon charter with bulging eyes. That's someone who inhales today's pipe tobacco.

Anyone who wants to inhale is not prohibited from doing so. But do understand that the lung damage that results will be greater than that from smoking cigarettes. More tar, more nicotine, more carcinogenic combustion products. And a pipe lasts 45 minutes to an hour, unlike the quickie cig with its 10-minute nic fix.

None of that is a problem if pipe smoke is -- properly -- taken into the mouth and exhaled through the nostrils. My main purpose for being erudite was to discourage some newbie from thinking inhaling is the way a pipe is meant to be smoked. It is not. Emphatically, it is not.

Sir Walter would concur were he around to try today's blends. :)
 

TropicalBob

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jan 13, 2008
5,623
65
Port Charlotte, FL USA
Lemme try to address Mohave's questions:

1. Do you think (properly) smoking a pipe can be realistic as a more than occasional alternative for a heavy (2+ pack/day) cigarette smoker?

2. Is there any advice anyone would care to offer someone new to pipe smoking: choice of pipe(s), type of tobacco, methods, tips & tricks, etc? Bear in mind your audience is someone who has no experience with pipes, pipe tobacco, or any aspect of using them, knows nothing of the subject, and would rather not make a large investment while he is not certain if he will take to it, or to what extent he might find it satisfying.

3. How do you think the long range total cost compares to other choices?

4. I gather from the above that a pipe involves some degree of complexity in use and perhaps a considerable amount of preparation time. Does this tend to make it difficult to use very often outside of home?

1. Yes, but remember that pipe smokers have all the restrictions of cigarette smokers. No smoking on premises. No smoking within 50 feet of the door. Etc. It IS smoking, after all, even if the smoke does smell better. Still, it satisfies on levels e-cigs can't reach -- taste and aroma. I enjoy my pipes for those reasons most of all. I was a heavy cigarette smoker and now smoke about 4 or 5 pipe fulls a day -- but I also use e-cigs, snus and dissolvables. A pipe is just ONE substitute that can be used when cravings strike.

2. Read, read, read. I'll post some links and you can visit a pipe forum and review site. Your local library might have books on pipes. Certainly Amazon has many. Start slowly, perhaps with a corn cob and some "codger burley" tobacco. These are the tobaccos our grandfathers smoked -- Carter Hall, Prince Albert, Half&Half, Captain Black. Amphora is gone, but try some aromatic Sail. These are all good and you can move on to experiment with English blends later. I personally love a cavendish-latakia blend. Just for Him is an online store where you can select and order many blends. I get Shortcut to Mushrooms and Whiskey Biscuit Gravy regularly from them, and buy Carter Hall tins from my local tobacco store. Expect to spend $20 a month or so. A pound lasts .. a long time. Top tobacco is now a stunning $40 a pound, BTW, thanks to new taxes.

3. Pipe smoking is cheaper than almost anything. Only sniffing nasal snuff is cheaper -- and I strongly prefer the pipe, although I'll sniff nasal snuff every other day or so. A tin of Carter Hall where I live is $17 for 14 ounces. That's a month's worth, at least.

4. Not really. You soon learn how to pack the pipe to keep it lit. That's the hardest part. And you learn which tobaccos to stay away from because they "bite" your tongue. I had to quit pipe smoking three times because my mouth couldn't take it. Now, using Carter Hall mostly, I do not have such problems. Forums can direct you to blends with the least tongue bite, if that proves a problem for you.

Some links. The first is a very helpful forum. Search for topics of interest to you before posting a question that been addressed a hundred times -- and thus turning off the veterans who can help you most.

http://forum.pipes.org
/~discus/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi


Next is an excellent site where pipe tobacco reviews are kept. When I want to try a new tobacco, I search for "four-star" blends.

TobaccoReviews.com - The largest collection of pipe tobacco reviews on the internet

Welcome to a brave new world.
 

SnarkyClark

Full Member
Mar 13, 2009
42
0
I'm drying out my C&D Snug Harbor a bit due to a smidgin of bite, but love the flavors and yes it is quite strong in the nicotine department. Enough to make we want to just sit there and daydream for about half an hour after finishing one pipe. I use it when I first get home from work and it keeps me for the whole evening.

I will have to try out some Carter Hall next month. Any particular fav CH blends to recommend TB? I prefer very slow and cool smokes, but not too dry. A pleasant room note is a must.

As for usage (cost), I was a pack a day Camel full flavor smoker for over 20 years. I am now using one-two M401 carts a day (eight-sixteen drops of 18mg fluid) plus about 1-2oz of strong pipe tobac a month (based on how fast I used a half ounce).
 

Nick O'Teen

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Mar 28, 2009
510
10
59
Swansea, Wales
www.decadentvapours.com
Nick, I had tongue firmly planted in cheek with that "no inhaling" comment.

Fear not, I took it that way ;)


I'm sure some do, just as some chug fine wine and brandy. Some burp loudly after a meal of prime rib. Some put milk in their Earl Gray. Some use perfume strength fragrance as after shave. 8-o
Today's pipe tobaccos are designed to deliver nicotine and satisfy without being inhaled. Their PH is alkaline, very unlike the acidic cigarettes that are meant to be inhaled into the lungs. They are VERY strong tobaccos, in many cases, and even an accidental whiff to the lungs will result in a coughing fit. For many years, I inhaled 30 cigarettes a day; I cannot dream of inhaling even one lung full of pipe tobacco smoke.

Another factor, and I think it's a more important one, is the bore of the pipe bowl. My cat's head meerschaum has a bowl that's over an inch wide - that is a LOT of tobacco smouldering and smoking all at once (it holds over half an ounce!) My mini cob holds about 1 rollup's worth of tobacco, with a bore little wider than a commercial cigarette (and some of the Elizabethan clays were even smaller - half that size,) so there really isn't that much smoke being produced. I know if I tried to inhale a rollup an inch thick (even with the lightest tobacco,) I'd cough myself inside out :) But a cobful of Parson's Pleasure or Curly Cut goes down very nicely - and lasts about as long as a cigarette.
And more importantly makes me a lot less wheezy than cigarettes used to (I switched entirely from cigs to pipe because the wheezing was beginning to interfere with my bagpipe playing.)

And I can tell you from experience that, on the occasions I've been given duty free RYO tobacco by family members returning from foreign holidays, and smoked it in my pipe, I've developed that old cigarette wheeziness by the time I've got through a 500g box (but it passes once I've got back to the pipe tobacco.) It also tars up a pipe a lot faster than pipe tobacco. And yet I get no wheeziness from inhaling regular pipe tobacco.

Imagine the cartoon charter with bulging eyes. That's someone who inhales today's pipe tobacco.

Anyone who wants to inhale is not prohibited from doing so. But do understand that the lung damage that results will be greater than that from smoking cigarettes. More tar, more nicotine, more carcinogenic combustion products. And a pipe lasts 45 minutes to an hour, unlike the quickie cig with its 10-minute nic fix.

None of that is a problem if pipe smoke is -- properly -- taken into the mouth and exhaled through the nostrils. My main purpose for being erudite was to discourage some newbie from thinking inhaling is the way a pipe is meant to be smoked. It is not. Emphatically, it is not.

Sir Walter would concur were he around to try today's blends. :)

Possibly. But he would even more readily concur if he was expected to consume them in a huge briar as large as are now common-place. He would have smoked a far more modest crucible.

The description that "tobacco was a rare commodity and just a small amount was used for a smoke" is conventional, but I disagree (at least that this was the sole reason.) Even when tea was a rare and expensive commodity, people didn't drink it from tiny dolls' house cups - I maintain that small pipes were intended to inhale :)
 

Nick O'Teen

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Mar 28, 2009
510
10
59
Swansea, Wales
www.decadentvapours.com
Thanks in advance to any who might feel like taking the time:
1. Do you think (properly) smoking a pipe can be realistic as a more than occasional alternative for a heavy (2+ pack/day) cigarette smoker?​


Definitely. But if you want to inhale (the temptation is very strong, and I shall confine my suggestions to this scenario, since it reflects my own experience,) get a very small pipe. The Elizabethan clay I posted a link to is very good, but you have to clean them in a fire - pipe cleaners are too fat for these in particular, and generally unsatisfactory for clay pipes because of their porosity (the tar soaks in, and is then released again when the pipe heats up the next time you smoke it.) But, having been fired in a kiln, they're massively heat-resistant, so you can stick them in the coals (or on a barbecue,) and burn the tar out of them. If we had a real fire in the house, I'd have stuck with them, because I do prefer a clay, but they're a PITA to clean over a gas ring on the cooker several times a week!

2. Is there any advice anyone would care to offer someone new to pipe smoking: choice of pipe(s), type of tobacco, methods, tips & tricks, etc? Bear in mind your audience is someone who has no experience with pipes, pipe tobacco, or any aspect of using them, knows nothing of the subject, and would rather not make a large investment while he is not certain if he will take to it, or to what extent he might find it satisfying.

I found the mini corncobs suited me best - you need to burn a new one in for awhile before it's comfortable to inhale - jamming a bit of matchstick in the mouthpiece to choke it helps a lot. Once the bowl is evenly blackened, you no longer get the harsh taste of burnt cob. If you're not planning to inhale, this may not be so necessary.
The stems are too narrow for pipe cleaners, so you'll need to twist up bits of tissue paper to clean out the mouthpiece regularly, but they're easy to keep clean, and generally last 2-3 months of heavy smoking before the bowls start to split. And then it's time for a new one (you could rotate them, and they'd probably last longer, but they're cheaper than atomizers, so what the hell :))


3. How do you think the long range total cost compares to other choices?

Pipe tobacco is slightly cheaper than RYO tobacco over here, so it depends how much you want to spend on pipes and gadgets. Start collecting fine, carved meerschaums, and you can easily spend hundreds of dollars at a time :) Stick to cheap cobs & clays, and it will be noticeably cheaper than cigarettes.

4. I gather from the above that a pipe involves some degree of complexity in use and perhaps a considerable amount of preparation time. Does this tend to make it difficult to use very often outside of home?

Not really - make sure you always have a pipe knife and reliable lighter with you, and you don't even have to worry about flat batteries or dying atomizers. Pipes require more maintenance and fiddling with than prerolled cigarettes, but rather less than vaping 'on the go'.
If you prefer a "flake" tobacco, you might want to keep a quantity of it already rubbed, so you're not having to try to rub it while walking in the rain, or with an armful of shopping etc.
How much of a routine you want to get into with cleaning is up to you. I tended to give mine a stem clean every day or so, and scraped down the carbon in the bowl a couple of times a week. The pipe will let you know if you're not cleaning it often enough by dribbling rancid juice in your mouth :)
 

RaverCJ

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Dec 3, 2008
71
0
Los Angeles
So my trusty M401 finally enabled me to get down to 0 nic after being a pack-a-day Marlboro Medium smoker.

The other day, I picked up a cheap pipe from Dealextreme.com. I just wanted to try it. I still miss that tobacco flavor, but every time I have a cigar, I get nothing but glares and comments about how much I stink. I've filled it using some Prince Albert Cherry Vanilla, and I have to say, I absolutely love it. It's great not having those terrible nicotine cravings, but still being able to enjoy tobacco every once in awhile.

The only problem is I'm 20, so I get crazy weird glances when I walk around with a pipe in my mouth. It's really amusing though. Smoking a pipe feels almost like stopping time. The ritual of filling and maintaining my pipe even feels easier than all the maintenance, charging, changing of atomziers, etc. I had to go through with PV's.

I feel like people are too busy in this day and age of Facebook and Blackberry e-mail. Sitting on the porch behind my house smoking a pipe, I suddenly realized the crickets and birds chirping. I heard the wind. It was spectacular.

:)
 

TropicalBob

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jan 13, 2008
5,623
65
Port Charlotte, FL USA
We are brothers across the country, RaverCJ. After I quit cigarettes, I missed smoke, so I returned to pipes I tried back in my college days. And I found I loved them. I went on a buying spree, acquiring 40+ on eBay.

I spend my after-supper sunset hours sitting on my back or front porch, listening to cicadas crank up, noting the different bird calls, watching a rabbit munch on new weed growth in the backyard.

Nothing about e-smoking can equal those moments. The aroma, the taste, the feel of thick pipe smoke. And now I have again opened the world of wonderful pipe tobaccos to explore, to help maintain determination not to suck cigarette smoke into my lungs. Carter Hall in the mornings; latakia/cavendish blends in the evenings.

Amazingly, in public I get comments about how good it smells. "Not like that stinky cigarette smoke." The other day, I actually had a woman come up to me at Cracker Barrel and ask to smell the pipe I was using in a rocking chair. "Reminds me of my grandfather," she said with a smile.

What a far cry from the hand-waving, fake-coughing anti's I encountered regularly while a cigarette smoker.

Keep it up, my friend. Some have called the '90s the Decade of the Cigar. With recent tax hikes, we might be entering the Decade of the Pipe. Be proud to be leading the movement to a far, far safer alternative to cigarettes. I'm with you.
 

sherid

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
May 25, 2008
2,266
493
USA
I have never smoked a pipe, but one of my earliest memories was sitting at our neighbor's home and begging, "Charlie, blow some smoke rings." He was quick to oblige, and watching it was wonderful. We did that inside too, and I did not die from shs. I rather believe that the care, maintenance, and preparation of e cigs is much like what goes into smoking a pipe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00mXP0i_1Ro
 

mcooksy

New Member
Feb 5, 2010
4
1
35
illinois
So, I've decided to try pipe smoking. TropicalBob made it sound quite nice :)
I was just wondering what would be some good types of starting tobacco since I'm sure their are going to be lots and lots at the smoke shop. Also, is it okay to start with a cheap plastic pipe or a corn cob pipe or something like that? Or would that alter the taste too much to tell if I actually enjoy it?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread