Old Waffle vs. New Waffle
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I closed the poll for good reason, I suggest it be read and I pray that some understanding results in it being read. Trust me when I say that Tasty Vapor wants the old recipe back just as much as you do, and it is as available to us as it is to you for good reason.
Me personally, I've never liked the smell of the stuff. I thought my nose was crazy until we had a caller recently complaining that their waffle liquid smelled like CELERY! That's EXACTLY what it smells like to me too! Celery. The only difference now is it is a very weaker celery smell because the vendor has decided it best to make more money apparently, by making their flavors weaker so they can compensate their losses for their recent "across the board wholesale pricing".
Me personally, I've never liked the smell of the stuff. I thought my nose was crazy until we had a caller recently complaining that their waffle liquid smelled like CELERY! That's EXACTLY what it smells like to me too! Celery. The only difference now is it is a very weaker celery smell because the vendor has decided it best to make more money apparently, by making their flavors weaker so they can compensate their losses for their recent "across the board wholesale pricing".
For the record, this is in response to the closed thread of http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tasty-vapor/138702-old-waffle-vs-new-waffle-poll.html
I understand and sincerely apologize if this has been a reoccuring issue. I was not aware it was a reoccuring issue and I didnt search this forum for waffle threads. Needless to say, I called your contact number and spoke with 2 different associates at your company on 2 different occassions and they both advised that there indeed is a new recipe that includes a syrup flavor that the "old recipe" did not have. I was told that I could request this "old recipe" by asking for the old recipe and asking for the syrup flavor to not be added.
I placed an order earlier today for myself and a friend. If inquiring about your products and expressing a want for it to change is so bothersome to you than I might have to reconsider purchasing from your company. Also, my inquiries were prompted by experience and validated by your employees. I would think if I was in your position I would be more concerned about my customers needs and a little less bothered.
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I can say that there is a flavoring that is used to enhance the syrup qualities in the base flavoring that would NOT affect the recipe in an adverse way. However, if you lessen the qualities in the base flavoring as this vendor clearly has, it WOULD affect the overall recipe to a noticeable degree.
As for this "bothersome" business, I'm not, nor ever have been the suit and tie wearing corporate chronie representing a prestigious firm. I am a human being talking to human beings and don't put on the phoney heirs that everyone else does. I'm a human being, in a human business, providing a product improving the live of other human beings. I have a very down to earth and No BS approach that is quite respected to the alternate means of doling out empty corporate BS.
It should neither be a bother to YOU if I break things down in a very honest and up front manner that side-steps the sugar coating.
Many appreciate my way of handling things, and some don't.
As for this "bothersome" business, I'm not, nor ever have been the suit and tie wearing corporate chronie representing a prestigious firm. I am a human being talking to human beings and don't put on the phoney heirs that everyone else does. I'm a human being, in a human business, providing a product improving the live of other human beings. I have a very down to earth and No BS approach that is quite respected to the alternate means of doling out empty corporate BS.
It should neither be a bother to YOU if I break things down in a very honest and up front manner that side-steps the sugar coating.
Many appreciate my way of handling things, and some don't.
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Got it. I won't bring it up again. Sorry I fed the fire. Another open mouth insert foot moment! Back to my scrumptious cafe machiatto! While I wait for my latest order to steep!
PS does it really smell like celery? That's gross! Now I'm going to be thinking about that everytime I reach for the waffle juice
PS does it really smell like celery? That's gross! Now I'm going to be thinking about that everytime I reach for the waffle juice
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In all respect Geoff, I appreciate the services you provide and I'm very grateful for vendors like yourself who provide excellent products. I must admit from a consumers standpoint it is frustrated to be told one thing by a company and then another by a different representative. By no means am I expected or wanting a "corporate" response. When I think of a "corporate" way of doing business I think of an attitude where the customer is treated as a group rather than a group of individuals with individual preferences and concerns. I think of a company that doesn't care what their customers think and do what they want without explanation for the sole purpose of expansion and financial gain. That's what I want to avoid.
As a hopefully valued customer of your company I hope that I am able to ask questions about the product you sell. I assume that is why you have a customer service number to call. Unfortunately I was given some conradicting information. I'm not expecting perfection but I did feel it was necessary for me to get more information. I greatly appreciate your honesty and communication in clearing this up. Thank you Geoff.
Eh, it's just one of those things Markimar, I'd brought it up before, then had all of these people saying I was just trying to pass the blame off on someone else, which basically initiated a company-wide "facepalm" over here. Just some people are dead set on their lack of understanding no matter how much you try and explain.
There are quite a few premium recipes that we use a primary amount of a base flavoring, that if the flavor vendor decided to change the recipe on their end, or cut back on flavoring to save THEMSELVES a bit of cash, that would completely offset anything we try to do to it here. Somehow, that logic is lost at the ECF level and it ends up that Tasty Vapor is to blame. Eh, can only do so much to inform people. If they care more about blaming than taking things into consideration, we have nothing to hide or lie about here...
But yeah Markimar. Always smelled like celery to me, but everybody else smells waffles. Just goes to show, one size doesn't fit all, so to speak.
And guitardedmark....thing is, I really DO care. I just don't flower up my speech with frothy, foamy words. I'd rather have you informed than you you feel like you're being taken by the hand, skipping through flower fields and really not have your question answered...
I'm VERY up front, always have been. Sorry if that offends some, but everyone has their own approach to people.
There are quite a few premium recipes that we use a primary amount of a base flavoring, that if the flavor vendor decided to change the recipe on their end, or cut back on flavoring to save THEMSELVES a bit of cash, that would completely offset anything we try to do to it here. Somehow, that logic is lost at the ECF level and it ends up that Tasty Vapor is to blame. Eh, can only do so much to inform people. If they care more about blaming than taking things into consideration, we have nothing to hide or lie about here...
But yeah Markimar. Always smelled like celery to me, but everybody else smells waffles. Just goes to show, one size doesn't fit all, so to speak.
And guitardedmark....thing is, I really DO care. I just don't flower up my speech with frothy, foamy words. I'd rather have you informed than you you feel like you're being taken by the hand, skipping through flower fields and really not have your question answered...
I'm VERY up front, always have been. Sorry if that offends some, but everyone has their own approach to people.
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Right on Geoff. That would drive me nuts! I'm sure you've handled this better than I would have. Maybe next time I'll be a little more rigorous when I'm searching threads. I hate being "that guy" that posts something thats been beaten to death already and I definitely dont want to bite the hand that feeds me by bothering you. I can see from your perspective how my posts and specifically the poll would be very upsetting. You guys make great juice and like I said the best juice I've ever tasted BY FAR was your waffle recipe. "The Nectar Of The Gods"
I really do appreciate you taking the time to explain whats really going on. Thanks again! 
PS: Looks like we better start busting some Capella ...! JK
Nah, you're not that guy. Me personally, I HATE scouring hundreds of messages before I post a message because so many people get uptight, toss the "lurk moar" crap at you, rather than being decent enough to explain.
I've actually tried my hardest NOT to spill the a name of this vendor. Dang, some of their stuff is just so spot on, that I HAVE to use them for some flavorings, as I do with Perfumer's Apprentice or even Lorann's. Just these vendors nail different flavors spot on for our needs than the other does.
With this particular vendor, originally, they were charging GOLD prices for their flavorings. For $1500, we can get about 10 gallons of flavorings from Lorann's, about 15 gallons from Perfumer's Apprentice. For that price we could get ONLY around 2 GALLONS of flavoring from this vendor for that price. Outrageous.
Sometimes we'd receive our flavorings in large bottles, other times, we'd have to empty 80 x 1/2 ounce bottles into a large bottle.
At one point recently, he standardized his wholesale prices for everybody and offerred bottles up to 32 ounces. AWESOME! But not for long. The prices were so low, he's taken OFF the 32 ounce size and kept 16 ounce bottles as the largest he'd sell, then he raised the price for that all over again.
We ordered anyway. Sometimes we order 2 gallons of flavoring, which for some reason, he sends us in 4 ounce bottles. Sometimes we've even ordered 1 gallon (64 ounces) which he has sent in 64 x 1 ounce bottles that we once again, have to open up individually and dump into larger bottles for our use.
It's also been apparent that a lot of these flavors are NOTICEABLY weaker than usual. This all tells us this person is NOT handling the company growth well, is making cutbacks in areas where it is CRUCIAL he remains constant.
In the end, any changes to anything that is a base flavoring for our premium recipes is going to suffer as the result of this cutback. We deal with the complaints and he still gets our money only UNTIL we can get Linda to perfect the recipe, then we just cut the "other guy" out of our business. This is our ultimate goal. About 60% of our flavorings all come from Perfumer's Apprentice, for good reason. They're consistent, they're reasonably priced and they try VERY hard to please people and vendors by trying to come up with flavors ON REQUEST, which is very impressive.
We'd like to switch all of our business to PA, but until we can get some of these base flavorings perfected, making the switch prematurely, would REALLY result in a great deal of complaint, which I don't really care to endure.
I've actually tried my hardest NOT to spill the a name of this vendor. Dang, some of their stuff is just so spot on, that I HAVE to use them for some flavorings, as I do with Perfumer's Apprentice or even Lorann's. Just these vendors nail different flavors spot on for our needs than the other does.
With this particular vendor, originally, they were charging GOLD prices for their flavorings. For $1500, we can get about 10 gallons of flavorings from Lorann's, about 15 gallons from Perfumer's Apprentice. For that price we could get ONLY around 2 GALLONS of flavoring from this vendor for that price. Outrageous.
Sometimes we'd receive our flavorings in large bottles, other times, we'd have to empty 80 x 1/2 ounce bottles into a large bottle.
At one point recently, he standardized his wholesale prices for everybody and offerred bottles up to 32 ounces. AWESOME! But not for long. The prices were so low, he's taken OFF the 32 ounce size and kept 16 ounce bottles as the largest he'd sell, then he raised the price for that all over again.
We ordered anyway. Sometimes we order 2 gallons of flavoring, which for some reason, he sends us in 4 ounce bottles. Sometimes we've even ordered 1 gallon (64 ounces) which he has sent in 64 x 1 ounce bottles that we once again, have to open up individually and dump into larger bottles for our use.
It's also been apparent that a lot of these flavors are NOTICEABLY weaker than usual. This all tells us this person is NOT handling the company growth well, is making cutbacks in areas where it is CRUCIAL he remains constant.
In the end, any changes to anything that is a base flavoring for our premium recipes is going to suffer as the result of this cutback. We deal with the complaints and he still gets our money only UNTIL we can get Linda to perfect the recipe, then we just cut the "other guy" out of our business. This is our ultimate goal. About 60% of our flavorings all come from Perfumer's Apprentice, for good reason. They're consistent, they're reasonably priced and they try VERY hard to please people and vendors by trying to come up with flavors ON REQUEST, which is very impressive.
We'd like to switch all of our business to PA, but until we can get some of these base flavorings perfected, making the switch prematurely, would REALLY result in a great deal of complaint, which I don't really care to endure.
I placed an order for waffles, and some other stuff, on Wednesday. It hasn't shipped yet so I considered asking for the "old" recipe but after browsing this thread it sounds like the old recipe will still not taste the same as before because of the flavor supplier?? I never had the old recipe so maybe I won't miss it. Oh well, its all trial and error. I ordered a bunch of juice I used to love and now its sitting in the closet because I don't care much for it anymore. What I do know is that I went and bought some various flavorings and some unflavored nic juice thinking would suddenly become some sort of expert DIY-er and I suck at that, so I'll trust the pros and hope for the best!
I don't know, I've had both and I still love 'waffles' despite a little less umph. In fact, I just mixed-up 4oz of new stuff to let it age. That and bananas foster are my two favorite vapes from ANY juice supplier.
BTW - a little of TV's sucralose sweetener improves just about any liquid. Give it a shot.
BTW - a little of TV's sucralose sweetener improves just about any liquid. Give it a shot.
Well yeah, it will IA. The ONLY reason why we leave "sweeten" as an option is only due to the individual aversion to artificial sweetener. People sometimes have their OWN sweetener that they'd like to use, so with the liquid being ordered in an "unsweetened" state, the MOST you'll taste is just flavorings and if it is used, the addition of ethyl maltol solution which will give the liquid a carmelized sugar taste, but nothing that could be equated to sweetness on the palette.
I think people still get confused because there seems to be an assumption that if they order something like caramel, or waffles, etc., that it will automatically be sweet. NO. Without sweetener, it is nothing more than candy flavorings that are requiring a level of sweetness to taste like their intended flavor.
So, if you think it is a liquid that should be sweet (Geoff's Blend, Atomic Cinnacide and Black Licorice being the exceptions) then we HIGHLY recommend you change the sweeten option to "Yes Sweeten" as you may be disappointed if you don't.
I think people still get confused because there seems to be an assumption that if they order something like caramel, or waffles, etc., that it will automatically be sweet. NO. Without sweetener, it is nothing more than candy flavorings that are requiring a level of sweetness to taste like their intended flavor.
So, if you think it is a liquid that should be sweet (Geoff's Blend, Atomic Cinnacide and Black Licorice being the exceptions) then we HIGHLY recommend you change the sweeten option to "Yes Sweeten" as you may be disappointed if you don't.
I always order them sweetened and then I mix small 6ml bottles for portability or 3ml bottles for my Phidias with a few drops of sweetener. I have yet to be disappointed. The only thing I've had from TV recently that I didn't like was the Orange Cream that I just got but I forgot to add sweetener. Once I mixed it, it was very nice. The orange flavor was a bit like biting in to an orange rind at first. I'm letting that and my ounce of Cupcakes sit-up for a bit while I finish off the stuff from older orders.
Think of everything you order from Tasty Vapor with the exception of AC, Geoff's Blend and Black Licorice as unsweetened. It's a good rule of thumb. The EM solution ONLY adds a caramelized sugar flavor and not a sweetness. If you want sweet, have it added, or pick up a bottle of sweetener and sweeten to YOUR preferred levels of sweetness.
how much of TV sweetener would you reccomend? for cherry cola?
guess im gonna have to order some.
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